Foul or No Foul?
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Flakeandrun
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slowed it to 0.25x looks fine to me? No push, no double contact?
Yup frem by frem shows good stroke/hit as does the cue ball run through.
The action of the cue ball was not even close to a double hit.
I think a lot of people in the snooker community don't understand the shot very well. But that's true for the pool community as well judging by FB comments. I think to judge those shots well, you have to have played a lot of close shots.
In YouTube you can single-step the video. The cue stick stops several inches short of where it might have fouled the cue ball. The guy who posted the YouTube video is loud and ignorant.
I think a lot of people in the snooker community don't understand the shot very well. But that's true for the pool community as well judging by FB comments. I think to judge those shots well, you have to have played a lot of close shots.
In YouTube you can single-step the video. The cue stick stops several inches short of where it might have fouled the cue ball. The guy who posted the YouTube video is loud and ignorant.
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I see nothing even remotely questionable about that shot.
Looks good to me.
I am late to the dance but one more that concurs, nothing wrong with that shot.
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On the other hand, the guy who posted the video is ready to start a lynch party for the scummy cheating player who didn't call the foul on himself.
It seems the guy thinks that you cannot get a lot of follow on the cue ball without maintaining contact for a foot or so. In his mind, the follow was impossible without a "push". That's in spite of the fact that single stepping the video shows the cue stick never got far enough forward to foul the ball.
That's one reason why I posted the video, then waited to give my opinion. I don't see a foul, and was surprised that the person who posted the video was so adamant that there was a foul.
Flakeandrun
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It's interesting that you say this, because I feel that in general, comparing snooker and pool, I think snooker players have a much firmer acceptance of what is, and what is not a 'push shot' - Lost count of the amount of blatant 'push shot' fouls of seen argued with while playing pool. Often without people denying it, just thinking it's a legitimate stroke...
Flakeandrun
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perhaps he has some connection to the player that we don't? Maybe the guy making such comments is just trolling/butthurt
That guys channel is like all videos calling push fouls.
Flakeandrun
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we are all on the spectrum somewhere...
I posted a link to Dr. Dave's high speed videos including close-ball shots. It looks like that post was removed.
At pool it is legal to shoot towards a ball that the cue ball is frozen to. This is an explicit rule at pool and it has been a rule for a long time. Of course at snooker, it is absolutely forbidden and you must shoot away.
At pool, until about 1965 the rule on double hits was ambiguous and some still play the old way where you can get away with such shots.
At some tournaments and in some leagues in the US, there are bizarre rules. An example is at Derby City where as long as the stick is elevated to something like 45 degrees, it is permitted to hit the cue ball twice or several times when playing on a close ball. The rule in the 1980 World Championship (14.1) was that if the second contact could not actually be seen, the double hit was not a foul. The timing on close shots is such that it is not possible to see the two hits with the unaided eye.
People that think this is a foul, aren't paying attention. The cue ball goes in the air, no friction, then takes off. It almost looks like a double hit, it is not.
Flakeandrun
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Utterly bizarre. Push shots are absolute tripe. thanks for clarifying, as I wasn't sure if it was one of those ambiguous rules that exists only in some contexts. Hope they get removed from the game. Double hits can perhaps be acceptable if attempting a massé or similar difficult shot, I'd hate to see creative shot making removed from the game. But push shots are absolute filth.
tomatoshooter
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Yes, you can clearly see the cue ball accelerating which doesn't happen like that in a double hit. I can't believe someone knows what a double hit foul is but doesn't know what force follow looks like. I always run into the opposite problem.
tomatoshooter
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I've heard of similar variations. Some double hits are hard to see, in a friendly game, if the cue is at a 45 degree angle to the line of centers, I accept that a reasonable effort has been made to avoid a double hit and consider that a lack of clear and compelling evidence of a foul. It's when people blast away at a close shot south no awareness of a double hit that I get annoyed.