Free Raffle for a Custom Case

no problem John, I understand completly!!

Your reputation with me will always remain high!! I know who I am dealing with when it involves you and your company
 
John Barton said:
Actually, I am experimenting with several different ways to provide a high level of impact protection with reduced weight. I should be able to do it.

I only used tubes in the beginning because that's what my Flowers case had and they were readily available from the hardware store.

In later years I realized what a pain a heavy case can be if you have to carry it for any length of time - especially after I had to lug it from the back ballroom in Vegas to my hotel across the street.

So yes, reduction in weight without a reduction in protection is my holy grail.

That's super John! I cannot wait to see what you come up with. If I may ask, what will be the price range of your cases? Would it be similar to the Instroke prices?
 
John may be in luck, I am looking to buy a new case in the next month or so. Probably won't need to though because I am going to win the raffle ;-) haha. When is the drawing?
 
John Barton said:
Hi all,

In case you don't me my name is John Barton and I started Instroke Cue Cases around 15 years ago. 3 years ago I sold Instroke and since then have not been making cases.

I just started a new workshop to produce only one-of-a-kinds and prototypes.

To honor all of my great customers from the Instroke years I am doing a free raffle for the honor of being the very first person besides me to get a case out of my new workshop.

In order to get in all you need to do to enter is send an email - not a PM - to jbcaseraffle@jbideas.com with your real name and your AZ Handle. If you have ever owned an Instroke case please describe it briefly and you will get two entries in the drawing. Honor system here.

The only limits to the case you will receive is your imagination and if I can't easily procure the materials. For example I can't do exotic leathers that are forbidden for me to import. But I can do some really nice leather prints.

See www.jbcases.com for details.

Thanks and hope to see a lot of you in the drawing,

John Barton
Email sent. Rep points to you great man!

BigDaddy
 
John,

Good luck.

It is always exciting to see you putting your ideas into reality.

Can't wait.:)

Richard
 
hardknox222 said:
That's super John! I cannot wait to see what you come up with. If I may ask, what will be the price range of your cases? Would it be similar to the Instroke prices?

The base price of my work starts at $400. That price gets you two pockets of your choice, a shoulder strap, two handles, and basic personalization. Essentially anything my team can do in about 16 hours that I can fit into the budget.

Everything over that will go up according to my costs and time. I would be surprised to see many elaborate cases going over $600 by time we are done discussing the design.

My goal here is to provide super value without tying it to a specific price list.

For example, the base price of a 1x1 and 2x4 is the same. $400. It's not because the cost is a little lower to make the 1x1, it's because I have set a price that I want my work to be worth. Kind of like Joe Gold charging $1000 for his plain cues. I talked with Joey about that and his answer was simple. It's what he feels his time is worth. I feel the same. (Edit: It is more than that Joey feel his time is "worth" what he charges. It is that the cue is the culmination of everything that Joe puts into it and all the knowledge and experience he has acquired. After spending an evening with him and learning all that goes into Cognoscenti cues it becomes immediately clear that they are worth every cent.)

I don't charge more for a 4x8 or 1x2 because the cost of materials between these two sizes is negligible compared to the design process and the time to get the concept right for the customer and the time to execute it perfectly. I charge more if you want super high priced materials or real diamonds inlaid. If you want a family tree embroidered by hand along the length of the case then it will cost more. How much more I won't know until we get into discussing it and I can calculate time.

I gotta say that it's probably easier to order a case from my colleagues. However the end result of our collaborative effort will be worth the time and paid back through years of satisfaction and compliments.

Billy Stroud once told me something that has stuck with me. He asked me why I thought he charges so much for his cues and especially for his shafts. I asked him to tell me. He said it was so he didn't have to stand before a customer and make an excuse why something is not right.

And lastly, Jerry Franklin, upon inspecting my Cowboy case design, said that it looked as if the pockets were out of place and just stuck on. His implicit advice was to design so that the elements flow. Now I didn't take offense at Jerry's comments because I knew I had designed the Cowboy model to suit a mass appeal rather than following my heart completely on the design. So each case I make out of this workshop will be a manifestation of everything I can possibly think of to make the design flow.

This is a rather long winded answer to the question of pricing. I guess it's because it's hard to put a price on what I do. Send me a design and let's open a discussion. When the case begins to take shape in our minds then I think that the price will be apparent to both of us. That's the best I can offer right now.
 
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traa89 said:
John may be in luck, I am looking to buy a new case in the next month or so. Probably won't need to though because I am going to win the raffle ;-) haha. When is the drawing?

LOL - that's a postitive attitude. I am going to do the drawing on Friday at about midnight or so west coast time.

IF I can figure out an easy way to make a list. I have received so many emails that it's going to be a little bit of work to make a manual list of all the entries.

I somehow thought it would be easy to make a group of contacts based on the emails I received but that's not an option in my mail program.

Anyway, it's no problem. Friday.
 
Just a thought, have you thought about graphite similiar to what higher grade fishing rods are made of? The stuff is super strong and very light weight.
 
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LMB said:
Just a thought, have you thought about graphite similiar to what higher grade fishing rods are made of? The stuff is super strong and very light weight.

Yep and I will trying some form of graphite tubing provided I can get it at reasonable prices. One thing about being a prototyping workshop is that I am designing for mass production as well. So If I create something that works well enough to justify production levels I can then get a steady supply for the custom cases.

It is truly fascinating to learn all about materials and the various ways to achieve the same goal.

It's funny that we have a zillion tip tools and cue holders but innovation on cue cases is stagnant.

I have some other ideas that I won't discuss here because they tend to be taken before I can bring them to market. Let's just say that having access to a vast array of materials is going to allow me a lot of room to discover.
 
John Barton said:
Yep and I will trying some form of graphite tubing provided I can get it at reasonable prices. One thing about being a prototyping workshop is that I am designing for mass production as well. So If I create something that works well enough to justify production levels I can then get a steady supply for the custom cases.

It is truly fascinating to learn all about materials and the various ways to achieve the same goal.

It's funny that we have a zillion tip tools and cue holders but innovation on cue cases is stagnant.

I have some other ideas that I won't discuss here because they tend to be taken before I can bring them to market. Let's just say that having access to a vast array of materials is going to allow me a lot of room to discover.

THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC HERE, BUT YOU ARE MENTIONING CASE MATERIALS, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHERE I COULD ORDER THE PVC TUBES LIKE THE ONES THAT IT'S GEORGE, AND FELLINI USED? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
 
Kudos John....

this is a great opportunity...Instroke cases have been copied but never duplicated in quality...I look forward to the new designs. Especially winning the raffle myself!!! LOL!!!
 
Hey John,could I get another chance by owning a Win? I am very creative(desperate) to win something! Nice way to get things rolling-good luck!
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC HERE, BUT YOU ARE MENTIONING CASE MATERIALS, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHERE I COULD ORDER THE PVC TUBES LIKE THE ONES THAT IT'S GEORGE, AND FELLINI USED? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

Those are custom extrusions. You need to find a manufacturer who will make them for you. You can either get finished pieces - cut to the length you want with the edges smoothed or you can buy longer ones and cut to the length that suits your needs.

Do a Google Search for extruded tubing, plastic tubing, pvc tubing and so on and you will come across many companies who provide that service.

The it's George type of case is two parts, the exterior body and the interior piece for the cap. The interior piece only extends about five inches or so into the body.

I have heard that Ron Thomas gets his tubing from the same source that Mike Roberts (George) did. If you could find that supplier you could probably save some money as they already have the production set up and they would probably love to sell more of that particular profile.
 
Buckeyejim said:
Hey John,could I get another chance by owning a Win? I am very creative(desperate) to win something! Nice way to get things rolling-good luck!

:-) Nope, private label brands don't count because they could come from anywhere, including Instroke, but not exclusively.

Nice try though - good luck!
 
The Drawing will be at.....

Midnight West Coast time to give everyone who isn't in the last chance to be in.

My employer Sterling Gaming has stepped up to give away three additional prizes for this contest.

1. is a Fury NR Series cue www.fury-cues.com
2. is a Blaze Swirlz Series Cue www.blaze-cues.com
3. is a Sterling Artistic Series cue www.sterling-cues.com

So thanks to their generosity we now have 3 more prizes to award.

Good luck to everyone and thank you very much again for all the wonderful emails.
 
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