Frozen to the Nine: Now What

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sjm

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Among the more annoying mistakes we all make occasionally is pocketing the eight and leaving ourselves frozen, or nearly frozen, to the nine. It happens to the best, as the following layout, faced by Alex Pagulayan during the (2000?) BCA Open, demonstrates. Anyone care to take a stab at what the best play from this position is? Later on, I'll post what Pagulayan actually did.

Clarifying the diagram: 1) the nine is an inch and a half off bottom rail, 2) cue is almost frozen to nine with only an eighth of an inch of space in between them, 3) centers of the cue and one ball are in alignment with second diamond on short rails, 4) Wei text START(%Iq8O5%Pp5O5%]D3O7%^s2O6)END
 

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OK, I'll bite...Pag probably kicked it in one of the corners.

Nah....that's too obvious.....how about he put his leg up on the table and tapped full into the nine and froze it onto the end rail with the cueball frozen to the nine. Yeah...that's the ticket.

Jeff Livingston
 
sjm said:
Among the more annoying mistakes we all make occasionally is pocketing the eight and leaving ourselves frozen, or nearly frozen, to the nine. It happens to the best, as the following layout, faced by Alex Pagulayan during the (2000?) BCA Open, demonstrates. Anyone care to take a stab at what the best play from this position is? Later on, I'll post what Pagulayan actually did.

Clarifying the diagram: 1) the nine is an inch and a half off bottom rail, 2) cue is almost frozen to nine with only an eighth of an inch of space in between them, 3) centers of the cue and one ball are in alignment with second diamond on short rails, 4) Wei text START(%Iq8O5%Pp5O5%]D3O7%^s2O6)END
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My first thought was to tap the nine to the rail but the double hit on the cueball is almost a sure thing.

I would jack up about 45 degrees and cross bank the nine with stiff inside english. I would take a thick cut on the nine because a thin hit won't give the nine enough speed and there is too much danger of scratching in the corner. The inside will straighten the nine up from the thick hit and will keep the cueball down table too.

It looks like this - the Gray line is the direction of the stroke.


START(
%Iq8O5%Pp5O5%WG3O2%Xs2N7%[o7N3%\h9A3%]D3O7%^s2O6%_r1R1%`p3Z6
%ap6P5
)END

Also, can you explain how to imbed the WEI in the post? I'm sure it's been posted before but I couldn't find it.

Chris
 
sjm said:
Among the more annoying mistakes we all make occasionally is pocketing the eight and leaving ourselves frozen, or nearly frozen, to the nine. It happens to the best, as the following layout, faced by Alex Pagulayan during the (2000?) BCA Open, demonstrates. Anyone care to take a stab at what the best play from this position is? Later on, I'll post what Pagulayan actually did.

Clarifying the diagram: 1) the nine is an inch and a half off bottom rail, 2) cue is almost frozen to nine with only an eighth of an inch of space in between them, 3) centers of the cue and one ball are in alignment with second diamond on short rails, 4) Wei text START(%Iq8O5%Pp5O5%]D3O7%^s2O6)END
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I just went in the other room and tried this and it worked fine. I hit the cueball to the side rail with low left spin sending the cue ball up the table, thinning the nine to the bottom rail. It leaves a bank but there is nothing you can do about it. It is not an easy bank.
 
I wonder if you can shoot a double kiss, aiming the 9 straight into the rail, having the 9 come out and kiss the cue ball all the way down to the other side of the table, leaving the 9 where the cueball was. Either that or just shoot a masse with strong draw to have the cueball come straight back. Different shot, same results. I'd love to see someone do that.
 
LastTwo said:
I wonder if you can shoot a double kiss, aiming the 9 straight into the rail, having the 9 come out and kiss the cue ball all the way down to the other side of the table, leaving the 9 where the cueball was. Either that or just shoot a masse with strong draw to have the cueball come straight back. Different shot, same results. I'd love to see someone do that.
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Hi Nat,

The problem is any shot aiming directly at the nine is bound to create a double hit on the cueball - they are nearly frozen. There is no good kick safe from this position either.

Chris
 
Waht Alex did was to aim, more or less, across the nine, in the direction of the long rail. Barely hitting the nine at all, he jacked his cue up to about a 60 degree elevation angle and played a two rail masse to leave the cue ball right against the back rail and leave the nine, more or less, where it started.

Gotta admit, it was pretty impressive. Actually, I've since tried the shot, and variations of it, many times, and it's not that tough to execute. The hard part is thinking of it.

Thanks to all that participated.

PS Tate, did you notice I included the wei code text? Hope it helped.
 
sjm said:
In post #19 of the following thread, I explained the procedure from embedding a wei table image in a post to Rodd, as related to me by Colin Colenso.

http://azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=7718&page=2
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Thanks - I tried it and it worked fine. Thanks for the code too. What's nice about this technique is that you can add lines, text, and graphics that are not available on the standard WEI table.

I like my shot better.


Chris
 
TATE said:
Thanks - I tried it and it worked fine. Thanks for the code too. What's nice about this technique is that you can add lines, text, and graphics that are not available on the standard WEI table.

I like my shot better.


Chris
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Yeah, Tate, you're shot was pretty cool, too.

Remember, Tate, these "how would you play this?" threads are not about who's right and who's wrong, but just my way of sharing some positions and memorable moments from matches I've either played in or sweated. I've already shared about five or six positions that I found interesting when they arose, in the hope that others would enjoy considering those positions. The number of views seems to say that many on the forum are getting a charge out of checking out these postions, and I really hope that I have motivated others to share some shots and positions that they have found interesting over the years.

Glad to hear you had success with the wei table procedure.
 
TATE said:
Hi Nat,

The problem is any shot aiming directly at the nine is bound to create a double hit on the cueball - they are nearly frozen. There is no good kick safe from this position either.

Chris
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Oh I thought they were frozen together so shooting thru them would be a legal hit.
 
LastTwo said:
Oh I thought they were frozen together so shooting thru them would be a legal hit.
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My fault, LastTwo. Though I indicated in the "clarifying the diagram" portion of my original post that they were only nearly frozen, my thread title must have misled you. I'm sorry.
 
Frozen to the 9 ball!

sjm said:
Among the more annoying mistakes we all make occasionally is pocketing the eight and leaving ourselves frozen, or nearly frozen, to the nine. It happens to the best, as the following layout, faced by Alex Pagulayan during the (2000?) BCA Open, demonstrates. Anyone care to take a stab at what the best play from this position is? Later on, I'll post what Pagulayan actually did.

Clarifying the diagram: 1) the nine is an inch and a half off bottom rail, 2) cue is almost frozen to nine with only an eighth of an inch of space in between them, 3) centers of the cue and one ball are in alignment with second diamond on short rails, 4) Wei text START(%Iq8O5%Pp5O5%]D3O7%^s2O6)END
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The safe play is the logical one here! I would aim the cue to the third dot before the side pocket on top of the diagram. I would stroke the center of the cue ball with medium speed so that it first hits the third dot before the side pocket and carombs to the last dot before the corner pocket on the bottom of the diagram to the end rail of the table.
 
sjm said:
My fault, LastTwo. Though I indicated in the "clarifying the diagram" portion of my original post that they were only nearly frozen, my thread title must have misled you. I'm sorry.
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Sorry just doesn't cut it. I'm gonna sue!!! :D :) :p
 
sjm said:
It's not clear how you intend to accomplish that. Could you clarify?
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cb on the left cushion then knock the 9 to the right corner (very thin angle), or probably on the side depending on which side of the table is the 9 more bias. i'm not sure if this is going to work, maybe i should try.
 
LastTwo said:
Sorry just doesn't cut it. I'm gonna sue!!! :D :) :p
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I can tell we have a very similar sense of humor, LastTwo. enter a plea of guilty in the civil suit. LOL
 
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