Frustrated with progress after layoff - help!

scottjen26

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OK, after last night I'm frustrated enough to solicit some advice, can't hurt, right?

Long story short - played for about 15 years, considered myself an "A" player, capable of running out from anywhere, multiple racks, blah, blah, blah. Start traveling for work, slowly drop out of leagues, no leagues no reason to practice, I quit playing. Fast forward almost 5 years later, an innocent conversation with a vendor leads to a business meeting at Dave & Busters, oh do you play pool? Well, I used to, etc., and next thing you know I'm playing pool again. That was last October. Started out playing once a week, after 2 months or so twice a week. Been back playing now for about 6 months. Took about 2 - 3 months for me to get somewhat back into shape, get comfortable at the table, re-remember shots and re-energize my pool brain again.

Here's the issue - about 1 month or 2 ago, I had a good night. Was running out again, things felt effortless. Had re-read all of my books, started watching match tapes, everything was falling into place. I thought I'm back, finally, was very happy. Then had a minor setback but got through it. Then, played probably one of the worst matches I've ever played. Literally was missing wide open almost straight in shots, miscuing on 2 foot draw shots, nothing looked right, nothing felt right, I either felt too tight or overly loose, it was very ugly. Funny I almost even won the match? Next time I played, back to normal again, didn't think much about it - until it happened again a week or two later. This has happened now several times. But I've also had nights like I used to play, running racks, making great shots, even put a 5 pack on a guy one night, definitely not an everyday occurrence even when I used to play all the time. But I seem to either have this really comfortable, A-level speed, or I have this horrible, nothing feels right C level speed, with no in between. And as much as I hate to admit it, even very low level pressure (like playing league or playing someone I want to do well against) seems to be causing this, but not all the time. When I'm in the C level mode, I end up twitching my back hand, I'm not getting down on the ball correctly, I "help" balls in that are near rails - I line up correctly (I think), but at the last minute I twist the wrist in some weird effort to throw a ball in with outside english, even though I have no reason for doing so. I worry about 15 different ways to play shape, 10 different ways to scratch, start thinking 5 or 6 balls ahead and when I get out of line by 6 inches I miss the next shot. It's like having the yips in pool. I could go on and on explaining this, because it is important but hard to explain, but you get my drift hopefully.

Funny thing is, after dogging a few shots that I should never miss, or overrunning easy position shots, even missing game balls (which I almost NEVER did), and getting mad/frustrated, usually I will bear down and even though it's ugly will win a game or two, or even run out. But then something will happen and I will start missing again. Sometimes by the end of the night I work it out, but not always. Like I said, this has happened several times now.


So, has this happened to any of you? Suggestions on how to stop it - do I just need to keep practicing more, doing drills, etc. to ingrain the feeling again and build up my confidence, so that I'm back to playing like I practice so to speak? I think it's mostly mental, but there could be some stroke flaws as well that are contributing to this. I'm just looking for suggestions. I really feel like if this doesn't improve in the next few months there's a good chance I'll just stop playing again, I'm too much of a perfectionist to keep playing something that I used to be better at and not be able to get there again, especially a sport where there is no physical component to prevent me from doing so. I did quit once before for a year or so, and then took it up again, and in a month or two I fell back in stroke and played lights out from that point on. Maybe I'm trying too hard, anticipating every pool night too much, don't know.

So, now that you've read my novella, any advice/help???
 
I know the problem. Practicing will not help. Practicing will not deal with mental stress. You should play more matches. Try to concentrate, and focus on the table. Focus on what you are doing. Thinking 5-6 balls ahead is not what you are doing. You are making balls. That's what you want to do. Focus on making balls, that's it.
 
Hey Scott. Well, your story could be mine except that I quit pool for 25 years, and I was never an A player. Maybe a B+. Nevertheless, the scenario is the same. When I came back it was a long road. Long hours took me part way there, but it was a roller coaster ride too. I reached my wits end. When I was hot I was very pleased with my game, but I had my C game with me all too frequently.

The best thing that I did for my game and myself was to make an appointment with Stan Shuffett. Stan is a BCA Advanced Instructor and a retired college teacher. His son is the child prodigy of pool, Landon Shuffett, the 13 year old who plays and wins on the men's tour. I'm not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but Stan was extremely reasonable and I spent 3 days with him, about 7 hours a day, one on one. Stan gave me the tools to correct some of my faults and drills to work on where if I was disciplined enough I could see great improvement. A lot of the things that I never thought about back in the day like a pre shot routine were covered, and I never saw anyone work so hard for my success. You can really tell that Stan wants you to improve.

I can't recommend Stan enough. Do yourself a favor and give him a call. You can read about Stan and Landon or contact him at www.justcueit.com

Good luck...Tom
 
BVal said:
Long story short usually means short :D:D:D:D

BVal

I guess short is a relative term, right??? ;)


I know it was a lot of info, and believe me I could write a book and fill up pages of cuetable diagrams of all the stupid shots I've made recently, over and above the normally expected rate of mistakes. At least I had that much restraint...

I wish I still lived in Wisconsin, I've only had 1 lesson in my life, when I was already a strong player, with Jerry Briesath at the Green Room in Madison, WI. Phenomenal, I had my doubts that a teacher could help me in that short of time at my level, but in 2 hours he gave me the tools to go off and practice and transform my game, taking it up another notch. Nothing but praise for him. I would travel up to see him in a heartbeat. Too bad I'm in sunny FL now...

Anyone know of a similar, highly qualified teacher in this area (Jacksonville), or Orlando etc.? Maybe that wouldn't hurt. Maybe I should be leaning more towards a psychiatrist since I think it's mostly mental. Or maybe accupuncture, herb remedies, colonics, ... :D
 
scottjen26 said:
OK, after last night I'm frustrated enough to solicit some advice, can't hurt, right?

Long story short - played for about 15 years, considered myself an "A" player, capable of running out from anywhere, multiple racks, blah, blah, blah. Start traveling for work, slowly drop out of leagues, no leagues no reason to practice, I quit playing. Fast forward almost 5 years later, an innocent conversation with a vendor leads to a business meeting at Dave & Busters, oh do you play pool? Well, I used to, etc., and next thing you know I'm playing pool again. That was last October. Started out playing once a week, after 2 months or so twice a week. Been back playing now for about 6 months. Took about 2 - 3 months for me to get somewhat back into shape, get comfortable at the table, re-remember shots and re-energize my pool brain again.

Here's the issue - about 1 month or 2 ago, I had a good night. Was running out again, things felt effortless. Had re-read all of my books, started watching match tapes, everything was falling into place. I thought I'm back, finally, was very happy. Then had a minor setback but got through it. Then, played probably one of the worst matches I've ever played. Literally was missing wide open almost straight in shots, miscuing on 2 foot draw shots, nothing looked right, nothing felt right, I either felt too tight or overly loose, it was very ugly. Funny I almost even won the match? Next time I played, back to normal again, didn't think much about it - until it happened again a week or two later. This has happened now several times. But I've also had nights like I used to play, running racks, making great shots, even put a 5 pack on a guy one night, definitely not an everyday occurrence even when I used to play all the time. But I seem to either have this really comfortable, A-level speed, or I have this horrible, nothing feels right C level speed, with no in between. And as much as I hate to admit it, even very low level pressure (like playing league or playing someone I want to do well against) seems to be causing this, but not all the time. When I'm in the C level mode, I end up twitching my back hand, I'm not getting down on the ball correctly, I "help" balls in that are near rails - I line up correctly (I think), but at the last minute I twist the wrist in some weird effort to throw a ball in with outside english, even though I have no reason for doing so. I worry about 15 different ways to play shape, 10 different ways to scratch, start thinking 5 or 6 balls ahead and when I get out of line by 6 inches I miss the next shot. It's like having the yips in pool. I could go on and on explaining this, because it is important but hard to explain, but you get my drift hopefully.

Funny thing is, after dogging a few shots that I should never miss, or overrunning easy position shots, even missing game balls (which I almost NEVER did), and getting mad/frustrated, usually I will bear down and even though it's ugly will win a game or two, or even run out. But then something will happen and I will start missing again. Sometimes by the end of the night I work it out, but not always. Like I said, this has happened several times now.


So, has this happened to any of you? Suggestions on how to stop it - do I just need to keep practicing more, doing drills, etc. to ingrain the feeling again and build up my confidence, so that I'm back to playing like I practice so to speak? I think it's mostly mental, but there could be some stroke flaws as well that are contributing to this. I'm just looking for suggestions. I really feel like if this doesn't improve in the next few months there's a good chance I'll just stop playing again, I'm too much of a perfectionist to keep playing something that I used to be better at and not be able to get there again, especially a sport where there is no physical component to prevent me from doing so. I did quit once before for a year or so, and then took it up again, and in a month or two I fell back in stroke and played lights out from that point on. Maybe I'm trying too hard, anticipating every pool night too much, don't know.

So, now that you've read my novella, any advice/help???


I could have wrote this myself. I am looking into a camcorder to watch myself and analyze all of my bad habits. One thing I need to do, is actually put my hand on the table where I want to be exactly, just to get into a rhythm and to make sure that I am planning to get out the best way. Otherwise, I just go into freewheel mode and run out. But, when things aren't feeling right, that freewheel action can get you broke!
 
scottjen26 said:
I guess short is a relative term, right??? ;)


I know it was a lot of info, and believe me I could write a book and fill up pages of cuetable diagrams of all the stupid shots I've made recently, over and above the normally expected rate of mistakes. At least I had that much restraint...

I wish I still lived in Wisconsin, I've only had 1 lesson in my life, when I was already a strong player, with Jerry Briesath at the Green Room in Madison, WI. Phenomenal, I had my doubts that a teacher could help me in that short of time at my level, but in 2 hours he gave me the tools to go off and practice and transform my game, taking it up another notch. Nothing but praise for him. I would travel up to see him in a heartbeat. Too bad I'm in sunny FL now...

Anyone know of a similar, highly qualified teacher in this area (Jacksonville), or Orlando etc.? Maybe that wouldn't hurt. Maybe I should be leaning more towards a psychiatrist since I think it's mostly mental. Or maybe accupuncture, herb remedies, colonics, ... :D
I was just giving you some $hit :).

BVal
 
After playing a little as a kid, I laid off for 35 years before picking the game up again when I retired. Progress is s l o w, but there is progress. It is a rheostat, not an on/off switch.
 
Expect nothing, keep playing it'll come, slowly, but it will come, if you expect too much too soon then the self loathing will make matters worse. We all expect life to be wonderful etc. but it doesn't go that way, pool parallels life in all facets, your just regrowing is all, an you probably don't have as much time to play as back when. So if you love it it'll come, if you complain you'll find a reason and then probably quit. And by the way, you better have a rock solid reason to play allot again or your going no where quickly, Good luck.
 
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