Full splice blanks special on Www.BidOnCues.com!!

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Hi,

We are listing several special full splice blank deals (Bid start at 50%) on www.BidOnCues.com. This offer is really for cue builders so we are not advertising this in the wanted section.

I hoping that all the builders will have a chance to evaluate the site and sign up with us to host your cue builder store. It's just another place to market your cues to potential clients or even show the quality of your cues. The vision is to have all the builders under the site so that prospect would be able to send request or quote directly to builders or list their requirements in the wanted section for a cue that builders can submit proposal or quote for the work. Don't know if this will work but it's a work in progress right now.

Under the Ad Wanted section, a member can decide which blanks they like and then be able to selection the customization for the blank they chosen and place their request on the market.

If you have a cue store on www.BidonCues.com, an alert will automatically notify you that a request to built a cue has been posted and it will only goes to you if your name was selected specifically in the request for customization to their blank.

Regards,
Duc.
 
$45.00 for a full splice blanks and no one is jumping on this???? Wow...just back marketing on my part I guess.

Regards,
Duc.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
$45.00 for a full splice blanks and no one is jumping on this???? Wow...just back marketing on my part I guess.

Regards,
Duc.
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Duc, look at those rosewoods.
Switch to purplheart and you'd increase demand by tenfold.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
$45.00 for a full splice blanks and no one is jumping on this???? Wow...just back marketing on my part I guess.

Regards,
Duc.
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Makes you wonder what the john Davis Blaks have, and go for $350.00 all day.
 
John's Blanks are hand made and he able to choose his wood selections so hence the price. It's very tedious to make a full splice blank and even harder to make one that's perfect. John is one of the very few that make some of the nicest full splice blank in the industry today at an affordable price.

I believe our blank quality is just as good but we can't really be as selective in the choice of wood used as it mass produce on a CNC machine. I personally really like older full splice just because it's been lying around for a lot longer....I think in 20 years from now if I don't sell my inventory, my full splice blanks will just be as pricey as the titlist today. Full splice blanks or any other blank is like wine, the older they get the more stable and better as it time tested.

I agree about the grain of the rosewood but it's rosewood....we do however have some really nice quality birdeye on all these blanks.

Purpleheart full splice is coming!! Actually will have a set package that include one of our prototype. The set of 13 full splice model is for sales at $999.99 shipped. We are also including a new spec for the 8 point prototype....don't like the new spec..so decided to stick with the old one instead. This will be listed tonight on www.BidonCues.com.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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Duc,

Have any idea what kind of rosewood? East indian?


BTW, In the last batch of 10 that you sent Me, I had one blank that looks like a totally different wood from all the others, and more closely resembles ebony. Is that possible? The blank is solid dark colored, and feels like It weighs almost twice as much as any of the 18-20 blanks I have. Maybe it was just a more dense piece of rosewood, but when sealed & finished over I'm almost positive It will look like ebony. Maybe I got lucky with that one, It also has perfect veneers, and the original centers are dead on with the points, even after 2 turns on the blank. It's a really solid stable blank, and hasn't moved one bit. If they were all like that one, you would probably not be able to keep them in stock.

I aggree With Joey, If You could get them to do a run in some other woods, I bet You get a nice boost in sales.:)

Greg
 
Duc,

I've been happy with all of the blanks recently. Thanks Duc for making them available to us. I would really be interested as others are in ebony and other exotic woods in the lower rosewood area.

John
 
i inquired about the type of Rosewood once and he said it was South American Rosewood.it is very lightweight and somewhat porous.
 
Hmm...I don't know if South American Rosewood is lightweight..if anything..I would have thought they are the optimum weight for the blank. The south american rosewood is the same wood that predator used on their sneeky pete and weight varies as some of them are very dense while other are lighter but nothing that is really light where you need to add a lot of weight.

Regards,
Duc.
 
So These could be different species then, correct? Unless I'm mistaken there's alot of different species of rosewood in South America. I've watched a few Shows, and according to the some of the teams that were on expeditions down there, the same as the wildlife, there are many species of rosewoods that have not even been documented yet,and they are being cut down at such a rate that some may never be recorded before they disapear, and I heard that often they are all mixed together when cut & sold. If that info is accurate, then I could see there being a variation in the density, color, and grain.

Btw, when I mentioned the one blank I have, and feeling as if it was twice as heavy, well I should say- that was quite an exaggeration on My part, but It does weigh atleast 2 onces more then any of the other blanks, even the ones that haven't recieved a turn, and are larger in diameter. It has had a couple of turns though, and still weighs that much more. Some of them look like different species from others, but then just because they look that way doesn't make It fact, so I don't know Myself, as It's not My area of expertise.

Someone Like Kelly or Eric could maybe shine some more light on things though. In fact I think they may have already in a past thread if I remember correctly.

Anyway I wasn't knocking the weight or anything, just curious, and wondering where It was from. I have some small stock of squares, of what was sold to Me as EI rosewood, and some of the grain patterns & colors look alot like the wood in the blanks. Even the variations in weight and density, seems to go hand and hand, matching in the same ways with the same differing figures from piece to piece.

They are a nice change to making conversions or SP type cues from bar blanks for me, for times when someone wants one with alittle more colors or veneers, but doesn't want to pay a fortune. My basic Sp and conversions have no veneers, and this was a way of offering that and keeping the cost reasonable.
I Built one out of one of the green veneered blanks when I got the first batch. I had no real problem making weight, but I did use a short weight bolt. The cue played real nice to Me. I played with It for alittle while, before giving it to My dad, but After I gave It to Him, He only had the thing for maybe a couple weeks before someone talked him out of It. I think It sold for $400, and the owner seemed very happy with It. Everytime I've seen him since he has complemented me on the cue.

Anyway, I was just curious where the rosewood was from. Hope You didn't feel I was trying to stir up an old stink Duc, I was just genuinely curious of the type of rosewood, and the one piece being so much darker in color & heavier then the others.:)



Greg
 
Cue Crazy said:
So These could be different species then, correct? Unless I'm mistaken there's alot of different species of rosewood in South America. I've watched a few Shows, and according to the some of the teams that were on expeditions down there, the same as the wildlife, there are many species of rosewoods that have not even been documented yet,and they are being cut down at such a rate that some may never be recorded before they disapear, and I heard that often they are all mixed together when cut & sold. If that info is accurate, then I could see there being a variation in the density, color, and grain.

Btw, when I mentioned the one blank I have, and feeling as if it was twice as heavy, well I should say- that was quite an exaggeration on My part, but It does weigh atleast 2 onces more then any of the other blanks, even the ones that haven't recieved a turn, and are larger in diameter. It has had a couple of turns though, and still weighs that much more. Some of them look like different species from others, but then just because they look that way doesn't make It fact, so I don't know Myself, as It's not My area of expertise.

Someone Like Kelly or Eric could maybe shine some more light on things though. In fact I think they may have already in a past thread if I remember correctly.

Anyway I wasn't knocking the weight or anything, just curious, and wondering where It was from. I have some small stock of squares, of what was sold to Me as EI rosewood, and some of the grain patterns & colors look alot like the wood in the blanks. Even the variations in weight and density, seems to go hand and hand, matching in the same ways with the same differing figures from piece to piece.

They are a nice change to making conversions or SP type cues from bar blanks for me, for times when someone wants one with alittle more colors or veneers, but doesn't want to pay a fortune. My basic Sp and conversions have no veneers, and this was a way of offering that and keeping the cost reasonable.
I Built one out of one of the green veneered blanks when I got the first batch. I had no real problem making weight, but I did use a short weight bolt. The cue played real nice to Me. I played with It for alittle while, before giving it to My dad, but After I gave It to Him, He only had the thing for maybe a couple weeks before someone talked him out of It. I think It sold for $400, and the owner seemed very happy with It. Everytime I've seen him since he has complemented me on the cue.

Anyway, I was just curious where the rosewood was from. Hope You didn't feel I was trying to stir up an old stink Duc, I was just genuinely curious of the type of rosewood, and the one piece being so much darker in color & heavier then the others.:)



Greg
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Hey Greg. My understanding is the wood in the original green veneered Predator SP was East Indian rosewood. I have a few of the veneered blanks Duc is selling. I got them through a trade with a good friend. My understanding was the wood used in the Duc blanks I have was East Indian rosewood.

Duc, IMO, saying the wood is "South American Rosewood" is nearly akin to saying a piece of furniture is made from "North American Hardwood". If the wood being used in your blanks is from South America, and is a true Dalbergia species, then I would respectfully ask which species that is.

Greg is right about the many different species of rosewood in South America. Many times several very closely related species get cut and bundled together, that is true.

Dalbergia latifolia (the species usually called East Indian Rosewood), according to Gilmer, is sometimes grown in Indonesia in plantations. Coming from a forestry background, I think that is a good thing. From the standpoint of cue stock, that is not the best thing. While it is still a good cue wood, one of the goals of silviculture is to maximize productivity in the least amount of time. I have suspected some of the very cheap East Indian rosewood on the market today comes from these plantations.

In this thread, Mason said they were somewhat porous. I think that may not be the most apt word (for what I have at least). The wood in the blanks I have do tend to be a bit open grained. They are certainly not bad like a wenge, but when compared to other good quality East Indian rosewood pieces I have, the grain is much more closed, no large vessels in my other pieces. I think that contributes to the lighter weight, in the ballpark of 5-10% difference.

Duc, I am not saying the wood in your blanks ARE East Indian rosewood, I am saying that they look like it to me, that was my understanding of what the original Preds were, and it was my understanding that is what was in your blanks. If that is not true, I would ask for the specific species of what is in your blanks. I am not knocking them, I am only giving my understanding of what I have, and giving my understanding of East Indian rosewood, and giving my comparison to other pieces of east indian rosewood I have (both old stock from a luthier, and current stock from a major supplier).

For the record, I like East Indian rosewood, and I approve of sound forestry practices like silviculture. There is a supplier of our beloved cocobolo who manages their own land they grow it on. The proper way to ensure how our great grandchildren can enjoy the exotic woods we enjoy is to teach the economic and cultural value of each species and tree, so long term sustainable yield practices and safeguards can be put into place.

Just my 2 cents, right or wong.

Kelly

P.S. Due to inflation, the post is already now worth only 1 cent....
 
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i agree with all of that.i too think it is EI.most of the South American and Central American Rosewood is denser that the Rosewood in these blanks.that is what i was trying to say,not that South American Rosewood is light weight.

also thse blanks are basically odorless like EI,and most of the Central and South American stuff is very fragrant.EI is my guess also.
 
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Thanks Guys,

Yeah I'm no expert, and some woods can look alot alike, but looking at the 2 woods side by side I could almost swear It's EI. What Kelly mentioned sounds like It may unlock the mystery. Some of It does strike me as farm raised, and possibly where It was grown could have added to the confusion.

Kelly I think You got some of the same batch of those EI squares if I remember correctly. I think you even sent me a couple, after that I bought some from the same source, but must have waited too long and got a stack from what they had left, because the pieces you sent were much denser then some of mine. Some were dense, but I had quite a few that were porus also. I'll have to send You one so You can see the difference. Anyway some of differences are the same as what I see in the blanks, and the figure as I mentioned above seem to go hand & hand with that. They vary, I have some that are more dense then others, but none as much so as the one blank I mentioned. Like I mentioned almost 2 ounces difference from any of the others. Most of the blanks average between 13 to 13.8oz

Mason, I don't smell that perfume scent either when I cut them, really no smell from them to me when cutting them.

I Like EI the same as kelly, I have no problems with It or the blanks as far as that goes, just wanted to make sure I'm calling It by what It is. Price is reasonable, usually not quite as oily as some rosewoods, so It finishes easier, and like maple, If It stays stable during & inbetween turns, then It usually stays stable. You can atleast tell what Your dealing with by watching them as they are being turned. Maybe alittle porus, But I've had no major issues filling the grain, and the weight hasn't been a big concern to me yet, because usually I'm trying to keep the weight to a minimum anyhow. They fit the need I attended to fill, and are priced low enough where I can use them for such. I just wanted to be sure what type of wood It was. Any south american I use would probably be in a more expensive cue anyhow, and for most people in My area, It may would be out of their price range. Most people's price range for me so far have been in the $300-$500 range, and why I've dropped into making more conversion & SP's, instead of one off cues. It wasn't something I planned on doing. At first I planned on not using any blanks except for My own, but just wasn't always cost effective for me. I can build someone a cue from these blanks or a bar blank, add about 8 simple ivory inlays, some fancy ringwork possibly, maybe a wrap if they choose, and still keep the cost under $500 in most cases. With the ecomony going the way It has been, It seems to work out.

Just want to be clear that My main reason for the question, was simply that I don't want to tell My customers It's south american, if It's east indian, and to me that's what It looks like. The question had nothing to do with wood quality or to knock the blanks.

Anyway Thanks again guys,

Greg
 
nothing wrong with EI Rosewood at all,and i believe the 2-3 blanks that i have seen of Duc's to be EI.i could be wrong and have been many times,but i think it is EI.

that blank you got that is darker and denser could also be EI.some people even call it Indian Blackwood as it can be very dark at times.
 
Cue Crazy said:
Kelly I think You got some of the same batch of those EI squares if I remember correctly. I think you even sent me a couple, after that I bought some from the same source, but must have waited too long and got a stack from what they had left, because the pieces you sent were much denser then some of mine. Some were dense, but I had quite a few that were porus also. I'll have to send You one so You can see the difference. Anyway some of differences are the same as what I see in the blanks, and the figure as I mentioned above seem to go hand & hand with that. They vary, I have some that are more dense then others, but none as much so as the one blank I mentioned. Like I mentioned almost 2 ounces difference from any of the others. Most of the blanks average between 13 to 13.8oz
Greg
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That is correct. I let a few of those EI pieces go, and I think two of them went to you. I regret not buying more at that time from that supplier because I was really pleasantly surprised by the quality, especially given your experience after those pieces.

I have some other EI pieces that are even denser (only slightly though) than the two I sent you, and appear to be slower growth. They were cut from a large brick I got from a luthier who had it quite a few years.

Kelly
 
Cue Crazy said:
Thanks Guys,

Yeah I'm no expert, and some woods can look alot alike, but looking at the 2 woods side by side I could almost swear It's EI. What Kelly mentioned sounds like It may unlock the mystery. Some of It does strike me as farm raised, and possibly where It was grown could have added to the confusion.

Kelly I think You got some of the same batch of those EI squares if I remember correctly. I think you even sent me a couple, after that I bought some from the same source, but must have waited too long and got a stack from what they had left, because the pieces you sent were much denser then some of mine. Some were dense, but I had quite a few that were porus also. I'll have to send You one so You can see the difference. Anyway some of differences are the same as what I see in the blanks, and the figure as I mentioned above seem to go hand & hand with that. They vary, I have some that are more dense then others, but none as much so as the one blank I mentioned. Like I mentioned almost 2 ounces difference from any of the others. Most of the blanks average between 13 to 13.8oz

Mason, I don't smell that perfume scent either when I cut them, really no smell from them to me when cutting them.

I Like EI the same as kelly, I have no problems with It or the blanks as far as that goes, just wanted to make sure I'm calling It by what It is. Price is reasonable, usually not quite as oily as some rosewoods, so It finishes easier, and like maple, If It stays stable during & inbetween turns, then It usually stays stable. You can atleast tell what Your dealing with by watching them as they are being turned. Maybe alittle porus, But I've had no major issues filling the grain, and the weight hasn't been a big concern to me yet, because usually I'm trying to keep the weight to a minimum anyhow. They fit the need I attended to fill, and are priced low enough where I can use them for such. I just wanted to be sure what type of wood It was. Any south american I use would probably be in a more expensive cue anyhow, and for most people in My area, It may would be out of their price range. Most people's price range for me so far have been in the $300-$500 range, and why I've dropped into making more conversion & SP's, instead of one off cues. It wasn't something I planned on doing. At first I planned on not using any blanks except for My own, but just wasn't always cost effective for me. I can build someone a cue from these blanks or a bar blank, add about 8 simple ivory inlays, some fancy ringwork possibly, maybe a wrap if they choose, and still keep the cost under $500 in most cases. With the ecomony going the way It has been, It seems to work out.

Just want to be clear that My main reason for the question, was simply that I don't want to tell My customers It's south american, if It's east indian, and to me that's what It looks like. The question had nothing to do with wood quality or to knock the blanks.

Anyway Thanks again guys,

Greg
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Hi Greg,

I'll check with my guys to get actual name for the this rosewood. I remember from most of the literature that Predator uses South American Rosewood and since these were the same stocks that was in the plant I assumed that it as described.

Anyhow...only 1 day left for those builders that would like to get our full splice to test out!!

On another note, I've been trying my hand at converting my own blanks locally and I find that it's fairly easier for a beginner to build a cue from a blank. I've sold my conversion pretty consistently locally and find that it's possible to make $1000/ month by converting 3 blanks part-time.

The ROI on our blanks seem to just make sense!

Good Luck.
 
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Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Greg,

I'll check with my guys to get actual name for the this rosewood. I remember from most of the literature that Predator uses South American Rosewood and since these were the same stocks that was in the plant I assumed that it as described.

Anyhow...only 1 day left for those builders that would like to get our full splice to test out!!

On another note, I've been trying my hand at converting my own blanks locally and I find that it's fairly easier for a beginner to build a cue from a blank. I've sold my conversion pretty consistently locally and find that it's possible to make $1000/ month by converting 3 blanks part-time.

The ROI on our blanks seem to just make sense!

Good Luck.
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Thanks Duc, I understand if your not sure. I guess all you have to go on is what's available for reference, and if that's what it says, then possible it does come from there. maybe kelly is on to something. It could actually be from there, but the species could be EI that was cultivated in SA. Then again what ever species It is, maybe they are just alot alike. There are alot of different species of rosewoods down there.


On the top quality blanks in a batch, I can make more then a grand off of three conversions with no problem, and those alone would more then cover the cost of all of them. I'm a very small cramped shop with a somewhat hefty repair load though, so slapping 3 together in month would be alittle tuff for me right now, unless they had already been in the works for a while. I work on only about 4-5 builds at a time, in My spare time, and since I live in Florida with the humidity,
I turn them very slowly to be safe anyhow, but yes a grand for 3 cues is not unreasonable at all, even for a smalltime dude like Me. :D


Good Luck with the sale, Once I get a few more built, I may give you a call and get another batch with some of the cash, so I can have them ajusting the to climate here ahead of time. I wouldn't mind having a good stock of them hanging around, because like I mentioned they have their place with me. I still have enough hanging around right now to keep the knuckle bumps on the top of My head.:p I need a taller ceiling.:o

Greg
 
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