Full splice cues modified!!

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Hi Guys,

We have a client that are interested in our full splice blanks but wanted to know if the rosewood would be a stable wood if it was the cored. I don't know the answer so thought I would ask here...any information would be appreciated.

Basically, they will be using the full splice blank with the rosewood as a center core....I assume they will be cutting the handle and butt area on the full splice blank down to the desired core size. They would then add their decorative rings, handle of choice and decorative ring work and choice of wood for the butt sleeve.

Anyone see any problem with building the cue this way..personally I think that is a good way to use a full splice blanks. As tascarella has mentioned that the advantage with short splice is to be able to balance the cue more precisely.. I think this is a great way to allow a cue builder to add decorative ring and balance the cue using natural wood weight. Any problem with doing this way? or with rosewood as the cored?

I think this is the making of a unique hybrid full splice and short splice cue. Has anyone heard or seen a cue been done this way?

Regards,
Duc.

Regards,
Duc.
 
Full Splice Blanks/cored

Hi Duc:
In regards to turning a full spliced butt into a full length core I have been doing that for several years now. Just finished one that was purple heart with ebony. The ebony ran the full length. I installed a BE maple handle and Ebony Butt sleeve. The hit was amazing especially with the extra PH shaft I made for it.

I will be turning down the ones I bought from you in the near future and will send you a pic or two.

Regards,

Bob Flynn
Denali Pool Cues
 
We have a client that are interested in our full splice blanks but wanted to know if the rosewood would be a stable wood if it was the cored.

You mean using rosewood as a dowel? What kind of roserwood? There a million kind.
Who's picking your woods you use Duc? Does he know wood properties?
Or how to cut them right?
In regards to turning a full spliced butt into a full length core I have been doing that for several years now. Just finished one that was purple heart with ebony. The ebony ran the full length. I installed a BE maple handle and Ebony Butt sleeve

That sure has crossed my mind after seeing crooked full-splice blanks. Turn down the handle area to 7/8 down to the sleeve and just sleeve it.
 
JoeyInCali said:
We have a client that are interested in our full splice blanks but wanted to know if the rosewood would be a stable wood if it was the cored.

You mean using rosewood as a dowel? What kind of roserwood? There a million kind.
Who's picking your woods you use Duc? Does he know wood properties?
Or how to cut them right?
In regards to turning a full spliced butt into a full length core I have been doing that for several years now. Just finished one that was purple heart with ebony. The ebony ran the full length. I installed a BE maple handle and Ebony Butt sleeve

That sure has crossed my mind after seeing crooked full-splice blanks. Turn down the handle area to 7/8 down to the sleeve and just sleeve it.
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Joey, I don't understand the reason for this approach in the least. For what reason would anyone need or want a full spliced cue if the biggest part of it is getting turned into a dowel. Why not just make it the conventional half splice way and not waste so much exotic wood and having a greater chance of it warping? I think people are to often wanting to find different ways to make a simple process into a complicated one just so that they can say their way of doing a task is better, when in most cases, with little, if any, benefits, and to often, with less than advantageous results.

While doing the repair work at a APA playoff this week end it dawned on me, after coming across two more shafts that I don't have drive pins for, that this industry is so intent on innovating different little innovations to set their cue's apart from the run of the mill that it has become absolutely ridiculous. For a 100 years there were maybe four pin sizes. In the last few years this has climbed to well over 20 and for what reason? The pin holds the shaft to the butt.

Dick
 
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Joey, I don't understand the reason for this approach in the least. For what reason would anyone need or want a full spliced cue if the biggest part of it is getting turned into a dowel. Why not just make it the conventional half splice way and not waste so much exotic wood and having a greater chance of it warping? I think people are to often wanting to find different ways to make a simple process into a complicated one just so that they can say their way of doing a task is better, when in most cases, with little, if any, benefits, and to often, with less than advantageous results.

Yup.
Might as well have a sleeved short-splice w/29" dowel.
No A-joint.
 
rhncue said:
In the last few years this has climbed to well over 20 and for what reason? The pin holds the shaft to the butt.

Dick
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AH............but the real ? is.......w/ how many tpi is it doing so?
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Guys,

We have a client that are interested in our full splice blanks but wanted to know if the rosewood would be a stable wood if it was the cored. I don't know the answer so thought I would ask here...any information would be appreciated.
Duc.
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Duc, Rosewood has been used in bar cues for many years.
I would think that properly aged it should be very stable.
Old rosewood from bar cues is one of my favorite woods to work with.
My experience with converting old rosewood bar cues into SP cues and using some of the better ones for forearm and butt sleeve wood has worked out fine.
If it dont warp as a full splice then I doubt it would warp as a core.
 
rhncue said:
Why not just make it the conventional half splice way and not waste so much exotic wood and having a greater chance of it warping? I think people are to often wanting to find different ways to make a simple process into a complicated one just so that they can say their way of doing a task is better, when in most cases, with little, if any, benefits, and to often, with less than advantageous results.

While doing the repair work at a APA playoff this week end it dawned on me, after coming across two more shafts that I don't have drive pins for, that this industry is so intent on innovating different little innovations to set their cue's apart from the run of the mill that it has become absolutely ridiculous. For a 100 years there were maybe four pin sizes. In the last few years this has climbed to well over 20 and for what reason? The pin holds the shaft to the butt.

Dick
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Well said Dick ... TAP TAP TAP
 
rhncue said:
While doing the repair work at a APA playoff this week end it dawned on me, after coming across two more shafts that I don't have drive pins for, that this industry is so intent on innovating different little innovations to set their cue's apart from the run of the mill that it has become absolutely ridiculous. For a 100 years there were maybe four pin sizes. In the last few years this has climbed to well over 20 and for what reason? The pin holds the shaft to the butt.

Dick
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maybe so the customer might have to come back for any work needed. repeat customers.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
Hi Guys,

We have a client that are interested in our full splice blanks but wanted to know if the rosewood would be a stable wood if it was the cored. I don't know the answer so thought I would ask here...any information would be appreciated.

Basically, they will be using the full splice blank with the rosewood as a center core....I assume they will be cutting the handle and butt area on the full splice blank down to the desired core size. They would then add their decorative rings, handle of choice and decorative ring work and choice of wood for the butt sleeve.

Anyone see any problem with building the cue this way..personally I think that is a good way to use a full splice blanks. As tascarella has mentioned that the advantage with short splice is to be able to balance the cue more precisely.. I think this is a great way to allow a cue builder to add decorative ring and balance the cue using natural wood weight. Any problem with doing this way? or with rosewood as the cored?

I think this is the making of a unique hybrid full splice and short splice cue. Has anyone heard or seen a cue been done this way?

Regards,
Duc.

Regards,
Duc.
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But why would you want to????

Rambow, Bushka, Szam, Palmer, et al made cues for decades
starting with a fullspliced Titlist butt.
Sometimes they cut it off 2-4 inches behind the wrap for
weight/balance considerations. Sometimes they just
turned down the back 4 inches and slid on a butt sleve.

Sounds to me like your guy will be making a 17 inch butt sleve.

Stability - you use Indian Rosewood don't you?
Indian Rosewood is the most structurally stable wood known.
It is used for marking instruments in woodworking. Should be OK

Dale
 
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