Full splice lost art

[DeeDeeCues]

It's a proven fact in my head that cues with white joints hit better than all the other joint colors combined.

Ya' ain't tried my orange joint!

 

[DaveK]

Better how? Does the ball go straighter? Does the ball magically know where to go? Does the ball move faster with less effort?

Show me some studies, not some biased, 'I spent a lot of money on a cue so it must be better' anecdotal bs.

I have many lovely full splice (for Sheldon, they are two-piece) cues, by Tucker, Blackcreek, Mark Bear, Omori, Hills, Gracie, Prather, etc. And you know it, but I can honestly say that none make the ball go straighter nor magically go where they were intended. Having said that I love them all, and playing with most of them (some are not for me but also not for sale either).

Dave

 

[DaveK]

They core cues because they can't build a cue properly imho.

They don't want to take the time to turn a cue down over time, so they use cores to "prevent" them from warping.

I know some makers who turn them down over 10 years or longer, taking small passes every year or so until the cue doesn't "move" (warp) any longer.

I never hear of them having to throw any forearms away from warpage, nor do I hear of them getting cues back because they warped.

I believe that some woods are cored for strength, to maintain the cues integrity. I have a lovely maple burl into macassar ebony full splice (two-piece ) cue that is cored for that very reason, the burl is simply too brittle to survive without the internal support.

Dave

 

[Jimmy_Betmore]

Ya' ain't tried my orange joint!

You are correct. But it's color gives it a distinct disadvantage.

As I typed that I realized this joke has the potential to go pretty far off the rails in a direction I'd rather not explore. So I have officially decided I love all joints, regardless of color, equally.

 

[Cornerman]

I remember when someone did this but it was with cue joints. I think they covered the joints with masking tape. And, yeah. Nobody got it right.

John McCheshney (RIP)

It has to be 25 years.

 

[Ascue]

This discussion is so weird, OP making a broad generalization on a flawed initial premise. Pretty sure the Gilbert J/B never started life as a full splice, pretty sure it was always built as a short splice forearm that screws into the handle section. Even if that wasn't the case and it started life as a full splice, as soon as it was cut it instantly became the equivalent of a short splice...since that's leaves the forearm constructed exactly the same in either case.

Now, perhaps the OP misspoke or spoke out of ignorance on the topic and is really trying to refer to a properly spliced cue as opposed to inlayed points? That would at least actually apply to the cue in question. But still, to make a broad assumption about feel and playability based on a sample size of one is quite the leap.

For what it's worth, I've owned them all. Full splice, short splice, inlayed points, merry widows, most cored, at least 1 or 2 non-cored. I can make no such generalizations based on my experiences.

So as this fella said, perhaps the OP mispoke. I have learned alot on this thread about cues. Various splices. Full, short, half. I also went to soaring eagle tourney today and hit a Jacoby with ashort splice. Salesman didnt know full splice from short splice at first but as we talked he explained it was short with a handle then added. Apparently like my jump break. He didnt pretend to know it all about cues and remained friendly. Perhaps some of you might act the same if we were face to face. Thats the nature of online forums, attack attack attack. I tried that short splice as well as a laminated butt. I coul feel the difference. Im sorry you guys cant. Im assuming a full splice deadens or softens the hit even more. Enjoy your catty debates and insults. And thx for all info. I learned alot.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

So as this fella said, perhaps the OP mispoke. I have learned alot on this thread about cues. Various splices. Full, short, half. I also went to soaring eagle tourney today and hit a Jacoby with ashort splice. Salesman didnt know full splice from short splice at first but as we talked he explained it was short with a handle then added. Apparently like my jump break. He didnt pretend to know it all about cues and remained friendly. Perhaps some of you might act the same if we were face to face. Thats the nature of online forums, attack attack attack. I tried that short splice as well as a laminated butt. I coul feel the difference. Im sorry you guys cant. Im assuming a full splice deadens or softens the hit even more. Enjoy your catty debates and insults. And thx for all info. I learned alot.

Learn a little more now.

Not one person said that they couldn't feel the difference between cues. We mostly agree that the type of splice (or lack thereof) doesn't completely dictate how the hit feels.

You tried one cue of each type. Bully for you. Now go try hundreds of cues like many of us have. Keep an open mind and don't make assumptions after playing with two cues.

As for the insults, you gave at least as good as you got.

signed:
Dipshit Dickhead DeeDee

 

[jasonlaus]

So as this fella said, perhaps the OP mispoke. I have learned alot on this thread about cues. Various splices. Full, short, half. I also went to soaring eagle tourney today and hit a Jacoby with ashort splice. Salesman didnt know full splice from short splice at first but as we talked he explained it was short with a handle then added. Apparently like my jump break. He didnt pretend to know it all about cues and remained friendly. Perhaps some of you might act the same if we were face to face. Thats the nature of online forums, attack attack attack. I tried that short splice as well as a laminated butt. I coul feel the difference. Im sorry you guys cant. Im assuming a full splice deadens or softens the hit even more. Enjoy your catty debates and insults. And thx for all info. I learned alot.

So, he didn't know shit....just like you

 

[JoeyInCali]

I have many lovely full splice (for Sheldon, they are two-piece) cues, by Tucker, Blackcreek, Mark Bear, Omori, Hills, Gracie, Prather, etc. And you know it, but I can honestly say that none make the ball go straighter nor magically go where they were intended. Having said that I love them all, and playing with most of them (some are not for me but also not for sale either).

Dave

I admire the art and skills in making those FS curs.
But, in the end it still boils down to quality of woods and materials used plus tight construction ( whatever the method is ).

 

[Ascue]

So, he didn't know shit....just like you

As well as you

 

[jasonlaus]

As well as you

 

[garczar]

John McCheshney (RIP)

It has to be 25 years.

1991 during a TexasExpress event. 16cues were tried by over 50 players, 800 test hits. 70% could not identify the joint in the cues they hit. If they did this same test with varying construction methods the results would be the same. Few if any would identify the build method by the hit/feel.

 

[DaveK]

I admire the art and skills in making those FS curs.
But, in the end it still boils down to quality of woods and materials used plus tight construction ( whatever the method is ).

Agreed. One of the guys I listed showed me a picture of new splices he'd made. I commented that they were not together yet, turned out he stopped dry-fitting because they wouldn't come apart !

Dave

 

[jasonlaus]

Agreed. One of the guys I listed showed me a picture of new splices he'd made. I commented that they were not together yet, turned out he stopped dry-fitting because they wouldn't come apart !

Dave

Damn. Would like to see those

 

[skogstokig]

how is it a lost art when full splice house cues are plentiful and there are videos on how to make one from scratch?

 

[Mensabum]

OK, so I agree to a certain extent that if you wrapped a bunch of cues from the joint on down with masking tape players might not be able to discern the method of their construction -- but I think they would find that they prefer the hit of certain cues, with similar construction, over others.

Lou Figueroa

We proved it a cue and cushion last year.

 

[Mensabum]

Very possible. Most cues that the 'cue people' seem to rave about on here are not FS cues, some yes but many are not. The simple fact a cue is a FS does not mean its going to play/hit/feel better. Way too many other factors that add-up to determine the 'hit'.

The tip being one.

 

[T411]

1991 during a TexasExpress event. 16cues were tried by over 50 players, 800 test hits. 70% could not identify the joint in the cues they hit. If they did this same test with varying construction methods the results would be the same. Few if any would identify the build method by the hit/feel.

I think there could quite possibly be a misunderstanding or miscommunication on what some people are saying on this thread. I also think that IF ascue would have said this is my opinion on “spliced cues” some not all of what some have a problem with would have been midigated… some not all because it still was rather in ambiguous.
That being said the above statement only says that that 50 players could not identify the joint, and I’d agree that the same 50 would not be able to identify different construction or build methods. It doesn’t say that 50 players didn’t like the hit of some over the others. Now I understand that the point that your probably trying to make is don’t get hung up on one construction or build method over quality which comes in varying construction & build methods. What’s getting lost that I’ve seen a couple pleople try to make is cues do hit differently and materials can and do make a difference. And yes so does build quality.

 

[DeeDeeCues]

I think there could quite possibly be a misunderstanding or miscommunication on what some people are saying on this thread. I also think that IF ascue should has said this is my opinion on “spliced cues” some not all of what some have a problem with would have been midigated… some not all because it still was rather in ambiguous.
That being said the above statement only says that that 50 players could not identify the joint, and I’d agree that the same 50 would not be able to identify different construction or build methods. It doesn’t say that 50 players didn’t like the hit of some over the others. Now I understand that the point that your probably trying to make is don’t get hung up on one construction or build method over quality which comes in varying construction & build methods. What’s getting lost that I’ve seen a couple pleople try to make is cues do hit differently and materials can and do make a difference. And yes so does build quality.

Yeah, but he wasn't even talking about a FS cue. If you go onto any forum and act like an expert without knowing anything, the same will happen.

 

[T411]

Yeah, but he wasn't even talking about a FS cue. If you go onto any forum and act like an expert without knowing anything, the same will happen.

Yes I did say that the post was still ambiguous… statement without anything supporting at least an opinion. I get it.