Full Time Push Out...

[one stroke]

The goal is to bring out the best of the game, not to change the top players. The best players are always the ones that are dedicating themselves the most, so they'll do what's necessary to get their games up to speed.

Today's generation is about speed and efficiency . The phone's and Internet are faster the games are faster the sports are faster , quick quick quick ,every sport has done something to speed up the game to make it more viewer friendly , NFL's red zone a prime example of what viewers are looking fore
Going back in time changing the rules slowing down the game simply will never produce desired results
It's 2014 and time to bring the game up to the future not the past
Gone with the wind simply would not make the best viewers list

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[macguy]

You're right, and probably can't imagine any way the game can be interesting. This just means you don't have the necessary experience. There were many people that said the same thing about poker and tennis, and golf, and hockey.........

Remember, we can only recognize what we're familiar with.....pool has interesting qualities, however, without essential experience it does look impossible.....and, of course it's just cleverly disguised. 'The Game is the Teacher'

You say things and make claims with nothing to back them up. Is there some secret hidden cryptic messages in your postings that require a decoder ring to decypher?
Does anyone ever know what he is talking about??

 

[Island Drive]

In response to the OP thread #1

I'd prefer giving each player one push per rack as the great equalizer. We would then see pros moving whitey aggressively into clusters for breakouts, which is such a beautiful thing when coming from the proper side, angle and speed.

On a similar note, I read where the Florida Seminole Casino Tour a few years back tried this. You could jump a ball only a few times per match, that was an interesting way to handle a situation for pros that disliked the jumping/bouncing white ball ''all the time''.

 

[Island Drive]

You say things and make claims with nothing to back them up. Is there some secret hidden cryptic messages in your postings that require a decoder ring to decypher?
Does anyone ever know what he is talking about??

Mac, just because U and I ''kinda know'' what's really taking place, do you really think and explanation from CJ will help clarify matters....LMAO :grin-square:

Merry Xmas to all.

 

[CJ Wiley]

thousands of hours of experience playing 2 Foul 9 Ball for millions of dollars.

Someone would have to play 2 Foul rules to understand the sypher. It's a very complicated game and it's obvious when someone hasn't played it very much.

The statements are backed up by literally thousands of hours of experience playing 2 Foul 9 Ball for millions of dollars.

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You say things and make claims with nothing to back them up. Is there some secret hidden cryptic messages in your postings that require a decoder ring to decypher?
Does anyone ever know what he is talking about??

 

[CJ Wiley]

People love fighting, battling and fierce competition

Is this why 'Duck Dynasty' is so popular, because of it's "speed and efficiency"?

I'm not 100% sure of what will work in pool, however, I am 100% sure of what won't work.....and that's what's been going on for the last 15 years.

People love fighting, battling and fierce competition - many don't even know that this exists in pool, it has just been eliminated. "One Foul" rules is like watching two boxers hit a heavy bag back and forth, but never hit each other........that would be boring too, just like pool has become.

A "Pool Match to the Death" would be a good start, at least everyone would be serious. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Today's generation is about speed and efficiency .
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[Paul Schofield]

People love fighting, battling and fierce competition - many don't even know that this exists in pool, it has just been eliminated.

"One Foul" rules is like watching two boxers hit a heavy bag back and forth, but never hit each other........that would be boring too, just like pool has become.

A "Pool Match to the Death" would be a good start, at least everyone would be serious. 'The Game is the Teacher'

I wish I could see what you see. I see pool as being kind of sterile (kind of like the boxers you mention): I shoot while you sit in a chair...then you shoot while I sit in a chair...then I shoot while you sit in a chair...then you shoot while I sit in a chair...and so on...no matter what game is played and no matter what rules are used.

Now "Pool Match to the Death" would be when one player is impaled with a cue stick. Now that would bring em.

All the reasons why push-out became history, are still there. I can't see it coming back.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Pool is an awesome game, if you have the battle of knowledge.

All I ask is to keep an open mind.....and hopefully, one day, you'll see what I see.

Pool is an awesome game, if you have the battle of knowledge...without that vital component it's just two people practicing against one another.

I wish I could see what you see. I see pool as being kind of sterile (kind of like the boxers you mention): I shoot while you sit in a chair...then you shoot while I sit in a chair...then I shoot while you sit in a chair...then you shoot while I sit in a chair...and so on...no matter what game is played and no matter what rules are used.

Now "Pool Match to the Death" would be when one player is impaled with a cue stick. Now that would bring em.

All the reasons why push-out became history, are still there. I can't see it coming back.

 

[1971]

Changing the rules to promote more chance taking, would in turn
be more exciting, which would create more fans, viewers.

OR

We could set up the same perfectly positioned straight in three foot shot
over and over again until someone misses, then if a fan is still
watching / or awake they could clap, politely of coarse, as to not wake anyone.
Much more appealing.

How about trying trick/difficult shot tournaments if catching the attention of more people is desired. You'll see shots that even the most uninterested person might take notice. Promote the champion as well. Most people are aware of champions of almost any sport. They're admired and directly popularizes the game or sport they excel at. Just a thought....

 

[1971]

Here is the challenge:

Devise a set of rules that does 3 things:
1. Plays faster than one-foul and push-out
2. Is more strategic than one-foul and push-out
3. Requires a different but higher skill-set than one-foul or push-out

This brings Play the Ghost to mind. Would it be faster than one-foul and push-out? Envisioning the entire rack immediately after the break is necessary to improve the probability of running out. Do or die shots/position would provide additional entertainment. Any miss results in loss of game. Play the Ghost tournament anyone?

 

[Island Drive]

How about trying trick/difficult shot tournaments if catching the attention of more people is desired. You'll see shots that even the most uninterested person might take notice. Promote the champion as well. Most people are aware of champions of almost any sport. They're admired and directly popularizes the game or sport they excel at. Just a thought....

In golf they all start at the tee box. How about having a tournament where each player comes to the table, with all balls already in place, give em ball in hand and do stroke play/count. You could table mark on the cloth, with small black dots the position of each ball. Each player would start out with thee exact same layout, then you'd have set start times/tee times for each player group. You could also have classic table layouts/runouts similar to history and name the hole according to the incident. just sayin'

 

[one stroke]

Is this why 'Duck Dynasty' is so popular, because of it's "speed and efficiency"?
I'm not 100% sure of what will work in pool, however, I am 100% sure of what won't work.....and that's what's been going on for the last 15 years.

People love fighting, battling and fierce competition - many don't even know that this exists in pool, it has just been eliminated. "One Foul" rules is like watching two boxers hit a heavy bag back and forth, but never hit each other........that would be boring too, just like pool has become.

A "Pool Match to the Death" would be a good start, at least everyone would be serious. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Plenty of excitement for the target red neck group ,,racing hopped up lawnmowers 4 wheelers and Segways ,by guys with big beards and bandannas ,with duck calls and gun lines
They had a 11.8 million viewership show

Now I'm sure some kind of well done reality show , with good backing has the potential to bring in a viewership that would dwarf any 10 airings of boring tournament play
Scooter and Kieth is a excellent place to start
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[macguy]

Plenty of excitement for the target red neck group ,,racing hopped up lawnmowers 4 wheelers and Segways ,by guys with big beards and bandannas ,with duck calls and gun lines
They had a 11.8 million viewership show

Now I'm sure some kind of well done reality show , with good backing has the potential to bring in a viewership that would dwarf any 10 airings of boring tournament play
Scooter and Kieth is a excellent place to start
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I reality show set in a "Real" pool room, family owned, full of interesting characters and stealing a lot of the dynamics that a show like DD has shown works would probably work.

A show following around a player or two trying to steal money from unsuspecting suckers would be terrible. No need to reinvent the wheel, we have already seen what works in reality shows. From pawn shops to a gun store to DD it is the family thing that works, just move it to a pool room.
I wonder what pool room opperating right now would fit such formula?

One of the first drafts of the old TV show "Taxi" was actually set in a pool room or bowling alley.

 

[Paul Schofield]

I thought we were talking about Push-Out and One-Foul.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Try going into a book store (they are stores that sell books)

Do you really think 'Duck Dynasty' only appeals to rednecks?

Try going into a book store (they are stores that sell books), they have an entire display of Duck Dynasty clearly not directed towards a "redneck group".

Plenty of excitement for the target red neck group ,,racing hopped up lawnmowers 4 wheelers and Segways ,by guys with big beards and bandannas ,with duck calls and gun lines
They had a 11.8 million viewership show

Now I'm sure some kind of well done reality show , with good backing has the potential to bring in a viewership that would dwarf any 10 airings of boring tournament play
Scooter and Kieth is a excellent place to start
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[CJ Wiley]

You realize this means no defense, which is a vital quality in sports.

Faster is not necessarily better, and in pool's case it's worse, because it dilutes the best qualities of the game. "Running out" is actually one of the easiest (and most boring) parts of the game, especially on Simonis Cloth, with a magic rack, jump cue and "practice cue ball". You don't even need much of a stroke to play world class level these days, the games about not making mistakes, what could be less exciting?

Play the ghost? You realize this means no defense, which is a vital quality in sports.

How would you like to watch football with no defense?

How about baseball with no defense?

How about basketball with no defense?

How about tennis with no defense?

Hockey with no defense?

Soccor with no defense?

Boxing with no defense?

Why do people think pool's the exception to every rule used by other sports?

It will always remain a mystery.

This brings Play the Ghost to mind. Would it be faster than one-foul and push-out? Envisioning the entire rack immediately after the break is necessary to improve the probability of running out. Do or die shots/position would provide additional entertainment. Any miss results in loss of game. Play the Ghost tournament anyone?

 

[macguy]

Do you really think 'Duck Dynasty' only appeals to rednecks?

Try going into a book store (they are stores that sell books), they have an entire display of Duck Dynasty clearly not directed towards a "redneck group".

Weren't they the sponsors of a Bowl game last week? They definitely appeal to more then just rednecks. Their main draw is their supposed religious beliefs. At least till one gets caught in bed with a 12 year old.

The show to me is just plain stupid but they have an audience and you can't knock success. What I fined interesting is their family business and how they have taken what is kind of an obscure product and built it into such a money making enterprise. In that respect they are kind of inspiring. Plus they are not lazy, they are always doing something, a bit different then a lot of the public.

 

[CJ Wiley]

hese shows are successful because they know the formula and they stick to it.

The lead guy was a very gifted football player. He was quarterback and played ahead of another gifted player named Terry Bradshaw.

These shows are successful because they know the formula and they stick to it.

The formula in pool.....well, it's........okay, well, if there's ever a formula it will be.....

Weren't they the sponsors of a Bowl game last week? They definitely appeal to more then just rednecks. Their main draw is their supposed religious beliefs. At least till one gets caught in bed with a 12 year old.

The show to me is just plain stupid but they have an audience and you can't knock success. What I fined interesting is their family business and how they have taken what is kind of an obscure product and built it into such a money making enterprise. In that respect they are kind of inspiring. Plus they are not lazy, they are always doing something, a bit different then a lot of the public.

 

[one stroke]

The lead guy was a very gifted football player. He was quarterback and played ahead of another gifted player named Terry Bradshaw.

These shows are successful because they know the formula and they stick to it.

The formula in pool.....well, it's........okay, well, if there's ever a formula it will be.....

You do realize they all grew thier beards and hair for the show , now you certainly don't think they did that for the jet set and yuppie crowd ,,they did it to hit a certain demographic adiunce I highly doubt it you'll find any on Park Avenue

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[CJ Wiley]

'Duck Dynasty' is appealing to the masses, and so is pool

Of course I knew that, it's common knowledge, and I also real eyes that many people like to live vicariously through other sub-cultures. No one wants to kill and beat people, but they do love to watch mob movies, that's why 'The Sopranos," 'The GodFather', and 'Goodfellas' are always going to be popular with the masses.

They aren't appealing to mobsters with mob movies any more than they're targeting rednecks with redneck shows. 'Duck Dynasty' is appealing to the masses, and so is pool if it's put in the correct scenario on TV. Gambling is essential, but not necessarily "hustling".

You do realize they all grew thier beards and hair for the show , now you certainly don't think they did that for the jet set and yuppie crowd ,,they did it to hit a certain demographic adiunce I highly doubt it you'll find any on Park Avenue

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