Gabriels - out of business?
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Paul8ball said:
Thanks Paul,
I'm based in the UK and was considering driving over to Holland in Sept to pick a table after the Euro Tour! I noticed their factory was located on the hook of Holland which would have made it easy, do you know where they are relocating too? This probably explains why they are not responding to emails/phone!
Any ideas how much a sig pro costs new? Also how much would a Diamond Pro cost to ship to UK, I can see prices on Diamond site but no shipping info or international suppliers listed? I know the US Open sells them cheap afterwards and I think the Gabriels where being sold for around $3k after the 14.1 worlds, would prob have been cheaper to but one of them and ship than new in Holland!
You probably don't want to contact Diamond if you live in the UK. You should contact them directly at +31 (0) 118 680 006 or + 32 475 433075. BTW Diamond really doesn't know anything about these tables.
Make sure you get the Dianite rails otherwise they will get ball dings in them. I bought mine used for $3K. I wouldn't think they would be over $5K new.
Make sure you get the Dianite rails otherwise they will get ball dings in them. I bought mine used for $3K. I wouldn't think they would be over $5K new.
mnShooter said:
I tried both those numbers, got a recorded message. How do you think the table compares to diamond pro, I know DCC, IPT, US Open use diamonds but the Gabriel table plays great and IMO looks heaps nicer. Although I loved the US Open diamond table that they used for the final but have no idea how much that cost. Thanks for the info about the rails, did you set up the table yourself, was it easy?
The signature pro is built better than a diamond. They have a steel frame which does not come apart (~50"X100"). They also have pockets which hold about 18 balls, so no need to move balls in straight or one pocket. The slates fit together perfectly as if it was one piece. On mine I didn't have to use any of the slate levelers once I got the frame level. If anyone is looking for a barbox I hear Gabriels is better than a Diamond too. I set mine up myself but I have set up other tables before. If you haven't set one up before I would suggest you have someone help you.
The only thing I don't know if I like is how the pockets play. They play relatively easy for the pocket size. Mine were originally 4 13/16", I had them shimmed to 4 1/4". You can hit the rail and it will still go in, where on other tables (Gold Crowns) it would most likely bobble out. I would suggest you get the smallest pocket size available.
The only thing I don't know if I like is how the pockets play. They play relatively easy for the pocket size. Mine were originally 4 13/16", I had them shimmed to 4 1/4". You can hit the rail and it will still go in, where on other tables (Gold Crowns) it would most likely bobble out. I would suggest you get the smallest pocket size available.
mnShooter said:
That all sounds pretty good, pocket size is a worry I would hope to set it up as tight as possible, is this possible without having to use shims? I have some experience in assembling snooker and english pool tables but never an american table, sure I could figure it out with some help. I saw them setting them up in NJ and the beams and tables looked pretty cool. Would be nice to have a gabriels set up to play as hard as a diamond I think.
Cheers, given that Gabriels have been around for the best part of a century and they seem to be unique in using a steel beam I'd be suprised if they copied the table. There maybe other similarotoes that I'm not familiar with but I'd be suprised esp since they seem to have a decent relationship now working together?
Well I was half right, I knew it had something to do with the smart table. The Sig Pro is nothing like a Diamond. You probably know better than I do Scott.
The only reason why I say Diamond doesn't know anything about the tables is they told me that the frame came apart on my table. It doesn't unless you have an acetelyne torch. It was a b**** to get down the stairs.
The only reason why I say Diamond doesn't know anything about the tables is they told me that the frame came apart on my table. It doesn't unless you have an acetelyne torch. It was a b**** to get down the stairs.
2 good shops i recomand highly in holland
fmcue company and loontjes billiard; loontjes has several Gabriels for sale, including the signature. u can even buy them second hand from past eurotours.
Gabriels Signature Pro Dianite
€ 5.046,00 for the 7ft's
€ 5.141,00 for the 8ft's
€ 5.545,00 for the 9ft's
Gabriels Signature Pro Formica
€ 4.986,00 for the 7's
€ 5.052,00 for the 8's
€ 5.462,00 for the 9's
for the new tables. but its weird there isnt a dealer in the uk for them...
fmcue company and loontjes billiard; loontjes has several Gabriels for sale, including the signature. u can even buy them second hand from past eurotours.
Gabriels Signature Pro Dianite
€ 5.046,00 for the 7ft's
€ 5.141,00 for the 8ft's
€ 5.545,00 for the 9ft's
Gabriels Signature Pro Formica
€ 4.986,00 for the 7's
€ 5.052,00 for the 8's
€ 5.462,00 for the 9's
for the new tables. but its weird there isnt a dealer in the uk for them...
no problem 
just trying to give some good shops in holland that ive dealed with and i know are very good.
where is the dealer located? and do they have a website or something? and what are the cost to have the tabled shipped and installed. i live in belgium, and i just cant stop dreaming of gabriels. id love to own one as soon as i got a room big enough for it. so it might be handy to know where the cheapest place is;
ps 4000€ is that for a 9ft, 4.5", simonis 860? interesting... i do have a friend selling a 1y old one for 2750€... why dont i have space for a table god damned
just trying to give some good shops in holland that ive dealed with and i know are very good.
where is the dealer located? and do they have a website or something? and what are the cost to have the tabled shipped and installed. i live in belgium, and i just cant stop dreaming of gabriels. id love to own one as soon as i got a room big enough for it. so it might be handy to know where the cheapest place is;
ps 4000€ is that for a 9ft, 4.5", simonis 860? interesting... i do have a friend selling a 1y old one for 2750€... why dont i have space for a table god damned
Solartje said:no problem
just trying to give some good shops in holland that ive dealed with and i know are very good.
where is the dealer located? and do they have a website or something? and what are the cost to have the tabled shipped and installed. i live in belgium, and i just cant stop dreaming of gabriels. id love to own one as soon as i got a room big enough for it. so it might be handy to know where the cheapest place is;
ps 4000€ is that for a 9ft, 4.5", simonis 860? interesting... i do have a friend selling a 1y old one for 2750€... why dont i have space for a table god damned
Hi sol, no problem appreciated. The price doesnt include VAT, and shipping too which will certainly add to the cost.
1 Signature Pro 9 foot, including dismountable steel frame, 30 mm slates, Dianite finished rails, pocketsize will be 116 mm,(additional shimes will be supplied to alter pocket cut if neccessary) Simonis 860 cloth and maritime grade packing is 4.115 € (euro) ex -works, ex VAT, Holland. (Same table as ones used in 14.1 worlds, price has increased slightly I need to query grrr
)- Transportation will be 475 €.
- Table can be ready for shipment within 4 weeks after receipt of your order confirmation.
- Your order can be confirmed by making a downpayment of 25 % of the total order value.
PS
They do have a website, the email didnt work for me but I did get to speak to them via phone and they where helpful.
TheHalfaCouple,
Urgent IPT-cloth update: I played last night on the "IPT table" at my friend's house (IPT member) - hadn't played on it for a couple of weeks (since my battle with sjm). My theory about the divots has proven correct. All of those slightly worn spots are now REALLY worn, you can see the backing fibers throught the spots, and the balls noticeably settle into these spots if they slow down anywhere near them. It looks "moth-eaten."
In my opinion the cloth needs replaced now - it can't have been on there more than a few months, with only average household use (by professional quality players - myself excluded). This is the crappiest cloth on which I've ever played; my 2 1/2 year old Simonis is in MUCH better condition than the several month old IPT cloth. Just a report, I have no axes to grind.
Urgent IPT-cloth update: I played last night on the "IPT table" at my friend's house (IPT member) - hadn't played on it for a couple of weeks (since my battle with sjm). My theory about the divots has proven correct. All of those slightly worn spots are now REALLY worn, you can see the backing fibers throught the spots, and the balls noticeably settle into these spots if they slow down anywhere near them. It looks "moth-eaten."
In my opinion the cloth needs replaced now - it can't have been on there more than a few months, with only average household use (by professional quality players - myself excluded). This is the crappiest cloth on which I've ever played; my 2 1/2 year old Simonis is in MUCH better condition than the several month old IPT cloth. Just a report, I have no axes to grind.