Gambler vs non gambler

Thanks for your honesty !

The Chinchilla said:
After how long of playing like this??

This is a good question. I think if two players come up, and they are both equal.... one gambles -- the other doesn't..... after a year the gambler will out and out ROB the non gambler in tournaments AND gambling, and overall playing ability. That is just the way it is. If you don't like it, I don't know what to say.
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Thanks for your honesty !
 
Thanks for your honesty :-)

Red Shoes said:
Dorabelle....What if they are both "C" players?....Well, what might be considered an "advantage" for the gambler would still translate to an "advantage" even at a "C" level. Also there has been talk about "comfort level" of a bet. "IF" somebody doesn't gamble, the minute a wager is made on the outcome...they are out of their "comfort level". Now "if" they find out they can focus and play with the same ability as they play with "bragging rights pool", then they are "rare". Most "funzy" players execution level suffers when the "bet is on". The same is true for "comfort level" (i.e. $20 player betting $200). To become a "high stakes pool player"....one has to do it in "stages". You must be a good $10 player before you become a good $50 player (and on up the ladder). If you try to skip too many "rungs" (i.e. go from $10 to $200), your execution level will "suffer" til you get "used to" betting $200. Most (NOT ALL THOUGH) players that "high roll" are not interested in actually "playing". Rather than declining a game...they "high roll" the opponent. I have seen it "backfire" on some over the years, when the opponent "agrees". Now instead of just saying "no" to a $20 game, you have just "high rolled" yourself into a $500 game. Just let it be said that MONEY can be used to induce pressure on a player to make their "game" suffer. For more MONEY the pockets can get smaller. For enough MONEY, you can make the pockets actually "DISAPPEAR" (for you or them). I assume most of us play because we enjoy the game. A bet (wager) can increase the enjoyment of the game. If you bet, keep it to a level that you can "handle" if you loose. So in closing....the "gambler" will generally prevail against the "non-gambler" of the same "skill" level AND the "high stakes gambler" will prevail against the "low stakes gambler" (skill levels being equal).
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Thanks for your honesty !
 
Bump for Cleary & his Corporation

ignomirello said:
Thanks for your honesty !
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Bump for Cleary & his Corporation

Most Gamblers (Not all) - Barks, Dumps, Calls people names, Makes games only to his advantage,
Posts images to shame his opponent into playing with his crazy rules.
Tries to make his opponent play uncomfortable with sharking & or raising the bet out of his comfort zone.

Tournament Player - Just enjoys playing pool & competing in controlled situations.
 
this thread (which didn't need to be started in the first place, since you already had a thread about this) was dead several days ago.

But you apparently can't let it just die it's own pathetic death, you continue to try and keep it going.

At this point, it has moved past a guy that just likes to see his name in the lights and likes the attention, to stalker status.

Surely you have other things going on in your life that allows you to move on and find other people to play? Yes, no?

I'm sure cleary has penciled you in in the "not worth the trouble/aggravation/hassle to play" list, so why not just move on to someone else?

You're 15 mins have been up for quite some time:D
 
ignomirello said:
Gambler vs non gambler

lets say they are pretty even in play.

But # 1 is a tournament player who just enjoys playing.

# 2 is a gambler

Who has the advantage & by how many games?

Lets say they race to 15.

Who would win & by what score?

Yes the gambler would be playing for money Probably trying to high roll him.
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if they play even then the score will be even if they both bear down.
 
In a long money battle I like the gambler. Never really know how a tournament player will hold up gambling for big money, even 50 or 100 a set could effect his play. Same thing with a gambler playing in tournaments, the opposite holds true. The gambler isnt used to having to win every set. Still, that doesnt automatically mean one should spot the other.
 
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nothing is automatic

Bambu said:
In a long money battle I like the gambler. Never really know how a tournament player will hold up gambling for big money, even 50 or 100 a set could effect his play. Same thing with a gambler playing in tournaments, the opposite holds true. The gambler isnt used to having to win every set. Still, that doesnt automatically mean one should spot the other.
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Well nothing is automatic, But you would say the gambler has an advantage in a race to 10. How many game advantage would you guess?
 
ignomirello said:
Well nothing is automatic, But you would say the gambler has an advantage in a race to 10. How many game advantage would you guess?
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Even one game would be 10%. Thats too much. I said the gambler had the edge in an even match, not that he should be giving anything. Another thing to consider is who has more playing experience at your current level. I think cleary said he was a D not long ago, a recently improved player. Not sure about you but you won a tristate event, that means something too. Even if you dont now, you also might used to gamble....nobody really knows.
 
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DGHustles said:
way to abstract to answer imo. Ralph Soquet does not gamble ever, but I will take him over quite a few top pros.
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Neither does Thorsten Hohman, so I think that shows that whether they gamble or not makes little difference, as long as they put themselves into meaningful competition often
 
ignomirello said:
Bump for Cleary & his Corporation

Most Gamblers (Not all) - Barks, Dumps, Calls people names, Makes games only to his advantage,
Posts images to shame his opponent into playing with his crazy rules.
Tries to make his opponent play uncomfortable with sharking & or raising the bet out of his comfort zone.

Tournament Player - Just enjoys playing pool & competing in controlled situations.
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Just cause you're scared to play a D player for decent money don't get all high and mighty and declare "Most Gamblers" anything you jack..... You obviously don't know a thing about gambling or gamblers so do us all a favor and not speak on the subject. Yes, a rare few (probably less than 5%) do engage in shady sh!t like dumps but the overwhelming majority don't! It really grinds on me when people that have no clue say that "Most Gamblers" dump because they themselves wouldn't bet waters wet even if they were standing in a mud puddle. So until you've been immersed in gambling and know what gambling is really like, shut your trap....

For someone that is dead set against gamblers and players who "Makes games only to his advantage", you sure have been pushing awful hard for 3 on 13 and 5 on 15.... You sir are a tool.
 
ignomirello said:
Gambler vs non gambler

lets say they are pretty even in play.

But # 1 is a tournament player who just enjoys playing.

# 2 is a gambler

Who has the advantage & by how many games?

Lets say they race to 15.

Who would win & by what score?

Yes the gambler would be playing for money Probably trying to high roll him.
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i figure a 4 game advantage. depending on what kind of tournaments the tournaments guy played in and how he finished in them
 
dorabelle said:
The better player should give weight. If you place better in tournaments, your a better player. Just because someone may gamble more doesn't mean that they are better at it.
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you haven't seen much gambling have you? the bet can bring out the dog in people quick
 
"C" players are NEVER allowed to bark at one another.... chirp maybe, but bark, NEVER. TIme to put this to rest already :)
 
Thats what I Figured

poolplayer2093 said:
i figure a 4 game advantage. depending on what kind of tournaments the tournaments guy played in and how he finished in them
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Thats what I Figured about 4 games depending on how much they are playing for. If High rolled I have seen some pretty good players test rails when the bet went up.

I have seen Gamblers play for 5-10 a set & shoot well but when the bet went up to 25/50 the rail testing began. LOL

So I would think if the players were even The gambler would have the advantage and as the wager goes higher the advantage gets wider. Just my opinion don't kill me for it :-)
 
The Saw said:
Just cause you're scared to play a D player for decent money don't get all high and mighty and declare "Most Gamblers" anything you jack..... You obviously don't know a thing about gambling or gamblers so do us all a favor and not speak on the subject. Yes, a rare few (probably less than 5%) do engage in shady sh!t like dumps but the overwhelming majority don't! It really grinds on me when people that have no clue say that "Most Gamblers" dump because they themselves wouldn't bet waters wet even if they were standing in a mud puddle. So until you've been immersed in gambling and know what gambling is really like, shut your trap....

For someone that is dead set against gamblers and players who "Makes games only to his advantage", you sure have been pushing awful hard for 3 on 13 and 5 on 15.... You sir are a tool.
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I'm a non-gambler, and I believe all of this to be very true. :thumbup:

Let it go already....
 
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