Gambling during league night (after your match)

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Just want some opinions, Im a member of my local APA leagues message board and I am currently in an argument on there about gambling on league night.

Here is the situation:

Lets say I play against John Doe and beat him during my league match. Afterwards he comes up to me and asks me to play for money because he thinks he can beat me. I say ok and procede to a non league table to play him. I have no obligation to coach or watch the next match on league either, for me league night is over.

Now should the league have any control over this? Even though we are both league members we already played our league match and have no more obligations to the league that night.

My opinion on this matter is... NO, it is none of the leagues business now.

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Here is the link to the thread on the Local APA site, I figure it's safe to post now since the mod there locked it :rolleyes: :http://www.apapool.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1644
 
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What are they trying to control? Is it your league operators? Coaches? Teammates? Details please. Generally speaking, if they don't have a dog in the race, they need to back the hell off.
 
You two are own your own time...none of APA's business. Not like you're betting on a league match...which I've seen too. The APA may argue that you should wait until the entire match is over. Best solution is to keep it quiet...no one has to know you're gambling...keeps the league off your back. I've been banned from our local APA league more than once...it doesn't take much...the league operator owns it, so they can make their own rules.
 
After-league money matches were always the main motivating factor for me to play in league in the first place. Big bunch of local shooters in one place equals better chance of finding a $ game. Don't know why league operaters would care, unless you were tying up league practice tables or something.

Good luck!
 
This happens a lot in the league that I play in. Just keep it quiet and they'll never know. But I agree with you, the league doesn't have any business trying to tell you that you can't play. After all, your obligations for that night were met
 
The details are as follows:

Doe beats Schmoe on league night. Schmoe having pride that he wants back asks Doe if he wants to play for money. Doe says NO, he does not want to gamble.

Doe is now complaining on the league website that he does not like to gamble and others are chiming in saying they will write someone up if they ask you to gamble once your match is over.

My opinion, if your match is over and you are no longer obligated to your team that night and someone asks you to gamble, it is none of the league's business.
 
Sorry to say, but it's not always what you think, or what we think that matters here; It's what the league operators of your league think about this issue.

Keep in mind, it's an APA host location, you are representing the league, like it or not.

The first rule of the APA book I believe states NO GAMBLING MONEY ON POOL GAMES.

Personally, could care less if you wanted to gable on league matches. I dont' gamble, but have had people game money on my match, and have had numerous offers to play for money after league play.

Why someone would care is beyond me, as I take it as a complement to my game. But I also respect someone who wishes to stay clear of any kind of gambling in any way. Even asking for a money game could offend some folks who APA and sometimes focus more on socializing and drinking than pool.
 
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ME too ...

None of the league's business at all. I have seen guys gamble on a table next to a league table at the same time they are playing league, still none of the league's business. Of course, it has been many years since I have played in the APA, which I didn't like to begin with, before the '23' rule.
 
Write me up? Will I have to go to detention too? What a joke.

So are you never allowed to gamble if you're a member of this league?
If he doesn't like to gamble then... he shouldn't gamble.
But why ruin it for everyone else? I hate people like this. Icon, I hope you slapped him.
 
Woofing?

I would imagine that there was a little woofing that went on when the gambling offer was declined. That my guess is why the problem occured:cool: ;)
 
Icon of Sin said:
The details are as follows:

Doe beats Schmoe on league night. Schmoe having pride that he wants back asks Doe if he wants to play for money. Doe says NO, he does not want to gamble.

Doe is now complaining on the league website that he does not like to gamble and others are chiming in saying they will write someone up if they ask you to gamble once your match is over.

My opinion, if your match is over and you are no longer obligated to your team that night and someone asks you to gamble, it is none of the league's business.
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I have to agree with you.

Although it would be nice to stick around and support your teamate, there is no obligation to do that. Since you are not gambling on an APA match, you are not breaking any APA rules. You are also going to a non-APA match table, I assume you are paying table time, so the APA should have no control over your private actions.

I would tell the others to go ahead and write you up. You have not broken any APA rules and the APA shouldn't be able do a thing, IMHO.

Since we don't have the total situation here, let me cover another base.
In the example from above, after Doe says he does not want to gamble, Schmoe should back off and leave him alone. Schmoe should not pursue that game further or try coerce Doe into a game.
 
rackem said:
I would imagine that there was a little woofing that went on when the gambling offer was declined. That my guess is why the problem occured:cool: ;)
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That's what I was thinking.
 
rackem said:
I would imagine that there was a little woofing that went on when the gambling offer was declined. That my guess is why the problem occured:cool: ;)
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Exactly. If you want to play sets on league night, more power to you. The linked thread in the MD-APA forum tells a different story. There, the losing player started woofing at the victorious league player to try to get some money and/or pride back. That's different.

Lots of APA players, especially ones in the 2-5 range, never gamble, don't want to gamble, and couldn't match up well even if they wanted to. They don't go to pool halls to gamble, and don't understand the woofing process. It's uncomfortable for them, not fun, and not something they should have to deal with on their night out.

So no, after my player wins, I wouldn't want their opponent to woof at them for a match. If someone did that to one of my players, they'd be playing me (Important clarifying note: this is not an open challenge, it's just that I don't think many of the people that could crush me would spend their time woofing at a typical league C or D player.)

To clarify, gambling before, during or after an APA match is fine in general. If the two players have a long-standing relationship and have matched up before, that's fine too. It's the loser haranguing the winner, when the winner is just your typical league player, that's the problem.

Cory
 
TX Poolnut said:
What are they trying to control? Is it your league operators? Coaches? Teammates? Details please. Generally speaking, if they don't have a dog in the race, they need to back the hell off.
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My thoughts exactly.......................................
 
I see where you are coming from Cory, but the woofing could also not be as bad as the person is making it out to be. The person who won here is none for not gambling. He does not gamble on pool and would not know the first way to join a match gambling.

I think the person who lost just went up to him and asked him to shoot some for money and he said no once or maybe even twice. I dont it got all blown out of proportion otherwise there would have been write-ups involved because the person who started that thread is a DIVISION REP, which he failed to mention in any of his posts. I think he knows there really was nothing wrong with the guys approach to him about gambling so he decided to talk it up on the APA forums because there is no way for him to write it up and he knows this since he is a division rep.
 
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