Gambling...not sure I like it, even when I win.

Sir Scratchalot

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I don't gamble much, at all. Not a big fan. However, people occasionally talk me into it. Last week I lost $40, which sucked. Tonight I won $60, which was nice, but I don't really care to do it again.

I think what bothers me is some people just can't enjoy the game unless money is on the line. I've had people stop and walk away in the middle of racking because I said "I don't play for money". That's the closest I've come to violence at the pool table...f**king rude as sh*t!

I love the game itself and cannot comprehend only doing it for money. It IS nice to win some and my hatred of losing money does make me try harder and (hopefully) play better, but I still have a great time just playing for fun. Keep in mind, pool is ultimately a stress relief for me.

If you are a money-only player, please help me understand your mindset. Thanks.

ps - When I do take the challenge for money it's only ever with people I know personally and whom I feel are decent people. Never strangers. The 2 folks I've played recently are good people and I've no bad feelings about them, but their disinterest in the game without money just got me thinking and pondering.

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I'm not money player only but I like to gamble small. I played so long without betting that I can't keep my focus without some cash on line. Only 14.1 is game what I like to play without betting because it is so awesome.
 
I don't gamble much, at all. Not a big fan. However, people occasionally talk me into it. Last week I got my ass waxed for a mere $40, but I learned some stuff. Tonight I waxed someone's ass for $60, even coming from behind in a race to 5 when he was 3 games ahead. Didn't really learn squat...ecstatic that I won...but don't really care to do it again.

I think what bothers me is some people just can't enjoy the game unless money is on the line. I've had people stop and walk away in the middle of racking because I said "I don't play for money". That's the closest I've come to violence at the pool table...f**king rude as sh*t!

I love the game itself and cannot comprehend only doing it for money. It IS nice to win some and my hatred of losing money does make me try harder and (hopefully) play better, but I still have a great time just playing for fun. Keep in mind, pool is ultimately a stress relief for me.

If you are a money-only player, please help me understand your mindset. Thanks.

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I don't like gambling for money either.

Money comes and money goes........now winning a tournament, that lasts forever. :)

I don't play this game to make money, I play it because I love it.

John
 
I don't like gambling for money either.

Money comes and money goes........now winning a tournament, that lasts forever. :)

I don't play this game to make money, I play it because I love it.

John
I'd really like to try my hand at some tournaments, but they always seem to be at odds with my work schedule.

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I don't gamble much, at all. Not a big fan. However, people occasionally talk me into it. Last week I got my ass waxed for a mere $40, but I learned some stuff. Tonight I waxed someone's ass for $60, even coming from behind in a race to 5 when he was 3 games ahead. Didn't really learn squat...ecstatic that I won...but don't really care to do it again.

I think what bothers me is some people just can't enjoy the game unless money is on the line. I've had people stop and walk away in the middle of racking because I said "I don't play for money". That's the closest I've come to violence at the pool table...f**king rude as sh*t!

I love the game itself and cannot comprehend only doing it for money. It IS nice to win some and my hatred of losing money does make me try harder and (hopefully) play better, but I still have a great time just playing for fun. Keep in mind, pool is ultimately a stress relief for me.

If you are a money-only player, please help me understand your mindset. Thanks.

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Playing pool or golf, or any test of skill, without something substantial riding on the outcome, (like $$$)..is very much like taking a shower with your clothes on! :rolleyes:..Its fine if you don't like to gamble, but you have to know you are in the extreme minority. Gambling is what makes the world go round!

PS..To quote our hero Fats.."Ain't everybody gamblin' on sumpin"? :thumbup:
 
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I don't gamble much, at all. Not a big fan. However, people occasionally talk me into it. Last week I got my ass waxed for a mere $40, but I learned some stuff. Tonight I waxed someone's ass for $60, even coming from behind in a race to 5 when he was 3 games ahead. Didn't really learn squat...ecstatic that I won...but don't really care to do it again.

I think what bothers me is some people just can't enjoy the game unless money is on the line. I've had people stop and walk away in the middle of racking because I said "I don't play for money". That's the closest I've come to violence at the pool table...f**king rude as sh*t!

I love the game itself and cannot comprehend only doing it for money. It IS nice to win some and my hatred of losing money does make me try harder and (hopefully) play better, but I still have a great time just playing for fun. Keep in mind, pool is ultimately a stress relief for me.

If you are a money-only player, please help me understand your mindset. Thanks.

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I'm with you on this.

Honestly, I think a lot of the gambling that goes on (and the attitude of "I don't like to play without something on the line) is simply stronger players taking advantage of weaker ones.
 
Playing pool or golf, or any test of skill, without something substantial riding on the outcome, (like $$$)..is very much like taking a shower with your clothes on! :rolleyes:..Its fine if you don't like to gamble, but you have to know you are in the extreme minority. Gambling is what makes the world go round!

PS..To quote our hero Fats.."Ain't everybody gamblin' on sumpin"? :thumbup:
Haha, thanks for sharing! An interesting, if foreign, concept to me.

Fortunately, I figured hustling out without ever fallng victim to it. In fact, I've never suffered a serious negative impact from gambling. However, at 49, I've observed many with a fondness for gambling. A person can glean a lot from life, but many of the gamblers I have known act like the only thing worth gleaning from life is money (I can't stop to smell the roses...I gotta take somebody's money!) Other folks are simply having fun with life, but the gamblers are busy looking for the next hustle and meeting disappointment if they don't find it.

Such goals also make me question a person's character and trustworthiness. I'd prefer a person see me as more than just a potential opportunity for money. I know...naive, but I'm of the "do unto others" school. Lol

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99% of the people in the poolroom are trying to make a lumberyard out of a toothpick.
I'm ok with that, I used to do it myself.
If anyone wants to gamble , make every living human you play, post up at least 4 games with the house man, or someone you really can trust.
No quitting until one of you gets 4 games ahead or unless you both agree.
Then the loser posts 4 more if they want to keep playing.
That makes it so some creep doesn't play you on air right from the start {happens a lot more than you can imagine} and it means you can at least win 4 bets.
If you can't do that, why would you want to gamble in the first place?
The funny thing is, most people will never play with those stipulations even though it's nothing.
Because they just want to rob someone, not gamble.
I have seen gambling ruin so many lives I am really down on it, but I understand how alluring it can be, so at least make it so you are really gambling and not just giving your money to someone.
 
The best advice Ive heard is this

When it come to getting a competitive game and being all into the game this is a way to look at it without gambling.

If we are playing you and I...and we aren't keeping score, talking, joking having fun that is one kind of playing.

The minute we start keeping score it changes.

If we are keeping score essentially all of our decisions should be based on the fact that we don't want to lose and that type of game should be and can be the same quality as when you are betting money on it.

There are just a whole bunch of people out there that playing them under a lot of conditions isn't worth it...money or not.

If it takes money for someone to be able to play, they have the problem not you and your friendship doesn't matter to them and there isn't a damn thing wrong with you. Let them go do whatever it is they have to do and be happy but don't feel as if you are lacking because you aren't.


I don't gamble much, at all. Not a big fan. However, people occasionally talk me into it. Last week I got my ass waxed for a mere $40, but I learned some stuff. Tonight I waxed someone's ass for $60, even coming from behind in a race to 5 when he was 3 games ahead. Didn't really learn squat...ecstatic that I won...but don't really care to do it again.

I think what bothers me is some people just can't enjoy the game unless money is on the line. I've had people stop and walk away in the middle of racking because I said "I don't play for money". That's the closest I've come to violence at the pool table...f**king rude as sh*t!

I love the game itself and cannot comprehend only doing it for money. It IS nice to win some and my hatred of losing money does make me try harder and (hopefully) play better, but I still have a great time just playing for fun. Keep in mind, pool is ultimately a stress relief for me.

If you are a money-only player, please help me understand your mindset. Thanks.

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I find that the players who keep telling me I should gamble are the people who are looking to walk away with my money.
I see players who tell me that in order to get better I must gamble. I tell them that I know they want to get better, and I get set up some matches for them with some A+ or open level players. All of a sudden they don't want to gamble. These guys don't want a fair game. They don't want to risk their money. They want a sucker.
 
Clarence Cheong (whoever that is) wrote the following below. I take it to mean that gambling on pool or golf or an athletic game that you have some knowledge on is good... but stay away from them damn casino games.:smile:


Risk is an essential part of our lives, and instead of doggedly trying to avoid it, we should learn to embrace it in calculated steps.

From the outset, risks are inevitable, an inherent part of our lives. Life is a tapestry of uncertain choices – from choices as life-changing as who to marry, to choices as minute as what to eat for lunch. Uncertain outcomes, by nature, are risky – as mere mortals with incomplete knowledge, we often have limited control over the outcomes of our choices. When we take a leap of faith in committing to a marriage, for instance, there is little we can do to be absolutely certain of about how the marriage would pan out in the decades to come. This makes the choice to marry someone inherently risky, for we have committed ourselves to a relationship that could potentially fail and result in disastrous consequences. Ironically, however, it is precisely because of the potential ramifications of risks that we should seek to maximise our exposure to them. Increased exposure to risks allows us to accumulate experience about the positive and negative effects of our decisions, helping us build up crucial decision-making competencies. Moreover, experiencing risk – and its associated failures – on a constant basis strengthens one’s resilience, fueling the desire and ability to surmount all obstacles in accomplishing great feats of the human spirit.

Furthermore, risk taking stretches human potential, opening the doors to groundbreaking innovations. Revolutionary endeavours are, by definition, unprecedented. To undertake them, therefore, constitutes a certain element of risk, as there are no forerunners to guide the way. In fact, the most remarkable of human enterprises often begin with shot in the dark, a foray into the risky and uncertain depths of the future. This situation is analogous to a team of rock climbers scaling a treacherous mountain. The most experienced mountaineer is often given the most difficult task of leading his team – where others can simply follow and imitate the actions of those above them, the leader has to possess the foresight to chart out a path to the top. Nowhere is this better illustrated than in the field of scientific research. Scientific research is only valuable if it presents new information, creating breakthroughs that revoluntionise the world of science. To do so in an industry already saturated with thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of scientists and researchers requires the use of innovative and unprecedented research methods. This presents a huge element of risk – scientists embarking on truly groundbreaking research often have no inkling when, or if at all, they will arrive at conclusive research findings. Yet, research institutes have to make the critical decision to accept the risk of failure whenever they pour millions of dollars into funding a scientific research project. For instance, CERN, a major scientific research institute, received over a billion Euros in funding to build the ‘Large Hadron Collider’. Scientists at CERN had postulated the existence of the Higgs Boson, sometimes enigmatically dubbed the ‘God particle’, and needed astronomical sums of money to pursue this scientific vision. However, for scientists to ascertain the validity of their theories, they have to first receive funding. This made the choice to fund the CERN research project highly risky – if successful, it could bring humanity one step closer towards unraveling the mysteries of our galaxy, if unsuccessful, it would be an utter waste of resources that could have been spent on funding other more promising fields of research. Ultimately, while embarking on unprecedented endeavours may be risky and potentially fraught with difficulties and failure, the paramount glory of being the ‘first’ to scale the peak of a mountain is awarded to those who have endured the risks of being a forerunner and leader to the team.

Additionally, taking risks, especially when successful, rewards greatly. There is often a premium awarded to those who are willing and able to bear with the risks that no one else would. People who stick to the conventional and conservative path are greeted with mediocrity, for they soon fade into a faceless crowd, constituting the nebulous mass of people we call ‘the average Joe’. To be truly outstanding is to be bold, to surge ahead amidst all the risks, prepared to start over in the case of failure. The spirit of taking risks in pursuing one’s passion and interests is embodied within the pro-sporting culture. People who commit themselves to a career in professional sports take on a sizeable risk – the cut-throat nature of professional competitive sports means that only a few athletes will ever make it to the top. The majority of mediocre athletes will struggle to forge a name for themselves, but if they fail, there is nothing for them. Therefore, professional athletes who make it to the big league are rewarded with skyrocketing salaries, a life of fame and excess. It is important that we overcome this phobia of risk – if we have faith in our own ability, we should not allow the looming fear of failure to prevent us from actualising our full potential, and winning the biggest purses.

However, while taking risks has its merits, there must be clear boundaries established on acceptable and unacceptable forms of risk. In particular, there are two things that must be kept in mind whenever risks are taken. Firstly, risks should only be taken in situations when we have some knowledge or control over how the outcome would turn out. Taking a ‘risk’ in the context of gambling is irresponsible, as gamblers often have neither the ability to influence the outcome of the game nor the knowledge of the probabilities involved in gambling. Investment, on the other hand, is a form of acceptable risk taking, as investors make decisions after analysing the economy, and formulating an idea about how the economy would likely respond in the future. Similarly, scientists base their ‘risky’ experiments on hypotheses that are based on solid research and few rely on the gut. Secondly, risk taking should be minimised where the public welfare is at stake. Different people have different thresholds for risk, and we should respect this. Hence, it would be inappropriate for government agencies to invest in risky financial products with the tax-payer’s money.

Ultimately, if ‘risk’ were a drink, it would be a heady concoction of fear, uncertainty, innovation and exploration. There is no escaping risk from our lives, so our best course of action would be to gulp down this gut wrenching cocktail. Bottoms up – and savour the taste of revolutionary achievements.
 
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The truth is that if someone has to explain it, you really wouldn't understand. There are those that do, there are those that don't and never the twain shall meet.

Gambling is a personal decision, for some a lifestyle. I've never been one much to judge those that don't but I dislike being judged at times because I do
 
When I started pool it was only to win money
I played to put myself through school

the entire purpose was to make money' league players,tournaments etc was for suckers according to my mind set

As such I was drawn to the action places and people ,this is pretty much the mind set of most gamblers,if I were to play in a tournament ,it was to lay down a lemon9shoot poorly in public in order to obtain a favorable game for money)

I started about the time of the movie the hustler and that was myexample, after years of playing seldom losing because I was there for the money not the challenge I had no love for the game but only the action.

There was no need to improve because then no one would play,i dressed in a sport coat to distance myself from the smarts and attempted to put on a demeanor unlike the pool bums who were my rightful marks

I played one of the greatest one pocket players alive,he gave me 4 hit and the pick and beat me,next time he truid to match up again,after we could not agree how to play,he called me over to a more private place and said "Can you spare a brother $40"

this is after trying to match up $200 per game pool!

Most players either make money by dumping,or borrowing.

If you are so weak as to need their approval as to back them or stake them they make a
little money.But my experience is that they all end up broke,and so will you if you start down that path

I hated the crowd and went there only to win, matching up was the only skill I needed
after years of winning I took a look at myself and realized I had wasted my life playing for a small time wage.
this is the history of almost every hustler I ever met,Titanic,Ronnie,Fats,and on and on

One day I ran into Mike Massey,he made me a millionaire.
he gave me the 7 and played one handed and beat me,I quit pool and started working,started a real estate company and went from there.

occasionally I went to the pool room,i still enjoyed winning,it was a perverse habit,but finally being around the low life characters caused me to withdraw altogether. My advice is to never gamble

all that talk I about it is just that talk,you lose your life trying to serve two masters,most likely lose your money,lose your family,your true friends and eventually everything,and for what?

I know that a few smarts will have something smart to say,but I have been there and its not worth
it, take my advice quit pool while you can

if you don't please call me to set up a game
dean
 
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I find that the players who keep telling me I should gamble are the people who are looking to walk away with my money.
I see players who tell me that in order to get better I must gamble. I tell them that I know they want to get better, and I get set up some matches for them with some A+ or open level players. All of a sudden they don't want to gamble. These guys don't want a fair game. They don't want to risk their money. They want a sucker.

This is the way it is around here.
 
Well, being a pool player who derives his income FROM gamblers, I can assure you that 99.9% of these folks are generally desperate and don't have much cash outside whatever is in their wallet at any given time (which could be rather large if they've gotten lucky). Of course, this is at the racetrack, not the pool room. Sadly, I see too many area pool players grinding it out here at the track too, and all of this "action" does not serve them well in the long run.

The result of my experience is that it has soured me on gambling generally. When I do place a bet, it is usually twice a year when I go to the races for fun. And then, I only bet $6 per race distributed thusly: $2 on my horse(s) and $4 on beer. :wink:

Note that I am not judging the activity of gambling as immoral or even "bad". It is merely my observation that most gamblers die broke or close to broke. Since I am only 38 and already starting to plan my early retirement, I'd say that I'm happy with my chosen path.

Having said all of that, I do love a good ring game from time to time.
 
When you beat a guy giving up the 7 out , all the breaks and a game for funsies it don't mean nearly the same as a 200 dollar score. Money is just a way to keep track of who is ahead. Gambling brings out my best game. If I lose, the sting of losing money motivates me even more than if I'd won.

I have a table home, so if I'm playing out, I'm gambling.
 
I like to play money games, except for the one minor problem. The hassles that go along with it.

Playing for money can be fun, exciting, and everyone can get along.....until....

...eventually something bad will happen. An argument, a fight, bad feelings, etc.

You need to be prepared at any time to accept the bad that goes with it, and I assure you, the bad will eventually rear it's ugly head.
 
I like to play money games, except for the one minor problem. The hassles that go along with it.

Playing for money can be fun, exciting, and everyone can get along.....until....

...eventually something bad will happen. An argument, a fight, bad feelings, etc.

You need to be prepared at any time to accept the bad that goes with it, and I assure you, the bad will eventually rear it's ugly head.

Agree, in pool gambling, the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I've never had a pari-mutel teller air ball me or give me any lip, nor do they "woof" (thank gawd!). Just sayin'.
 
OP found someone that actually wanted to gamble?

Was that in this century?

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