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Flip_dat_Quarta

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Does anyone have any gambling strategies they'd like to share? There are so many options I sometimes wonder if there is a strategy behind it all. Let's keep our focus on rotation games to avoid confusion.

Here are some general questions to help you consider all of the possibilities:

1. When is it better to play by the game compared to by the set?

2. How do you decide on the amount?

3. How do you decide on the set length?

4. When is it better to ask for a ball spot compared to games on the wire?

5. When is it better to ask for the last X amount of balls compared to a wild or called ball. For example, would you rather get the last three or the wild 6?

6. Can you come up with a list of different spots and rank them? Such as ranking the various hands in poker. This includes, games on the wire, getting the break, getting a wild ball, getting a called ball, getting the last few balls, getting ball in hand after the break, etc...

7. Do you prefer to give weight or get weight?

8. Do you prefer playing somebody even compared to a better or worse player with weight?

9. When is it better to get odds on the money?

10. What level of players are the best to play? Pro, Short Stop, A, B, C, etc...

11. How far in the hole do you get before you quit? How many barrels will you fire?

12. When is it better to play an ahead set?

13. How many games ahead do you prefer? Why?

14. What's your strategy when you're winning but your opponent won't quit and you're dead tired?

15. What's your strategy when you're winning and your opponent continually wants to increase the bet?

You don't need to answer all these questions obviously but hopefully I got you thinking. Some of these I already have an answer to but I'm curious what others will say. Most of it just seems like personal preference but I often hear some people talking like there is a strategy behind it all. They're probably just blowing smoke though. Anyways, I look forward to your comments!
 
I would say every player is different and everyone thinks different about their own game. If you feel comfortable with the stakes then I would gamble. I personally gamble with people around my ability. It keeps it close. I like to gamble for the pressure and the competition rather than being worried about the money. Play for what you are comfortable losing and if there is a game in front of you that you know you can win, I say play for sure!

Good luck and shootem straight!
 
I prefer playing ahead sets, you're going to have to post some $ that way & you're going to have to BEAT me to get the cash that way. That's a 2 way street though so it pays if you're a grinder.

If the tables tight & I'm giving weight I'd prefer to give you a ball spot to games on the wire. Loose table & I'm giving weight I prefer to give you games on the wire.

I don't care if it's an even game or I'm giving or getting weight, no preference, but you have to know how to match up. Pop always told me it doesn't matter how well you play, it's how well you match up.
 
Flip_dat_Quarta said:
Does anyone have any gambling strategies they'd like to share? There are so many options I sometimes wonder if there is a strategy behind it all. Let's keep our focus on rotation games to avoid confusion.

Here are some general questions to help you consider all of the possibilities:

1. When is it better to play by the game compared to by the set?

2. How do you decide on the amount?

3. How do you decide on the set length?

4. When is it better to ask for a ball spot compared to games on the wire?

5. When is it better to ask for the last X amount of balls compared to a wild or called ball. For example, would you rather get the last three or the wild 6?

6. Can you come up with a list of different spots and rank them? Such as ranking the various hands in poker. This includes, games on the wire, getting the break, getting a wild ball, getting a called ball, getting the last few balls, getting ball in hand after the break, etc...

7. Do you prefer to give weight or get weight?

8. Do you prefer playing somebody even compared to a better or worse player with weight?

9. When is it better to get odds on the money?

10. What level of players are the best to play? Pro, Short Stop, A, B, C, etc...

11. How far in the hole do you get before you quit? How many barrels will you fire?

12. When is it better to play an ahead set?

13. How many games ahead do you prefer? Why?

14. What's your strategy when you're winning but your opponent won't quit and you're dead tired?

15. What's your strategy when you're winning and your opponent continually wants to increase the bet?

You don't need to answer all these questions obviously but hopefully I got you thinking. Some of these I already have an answer to but I'm curious what others will say. Most of it just seems like personal preference but I often hear some people talking like there is a strategy behind it all. They're probably just blowing smoke though. Anyways, I look forward to your comments!
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In almost 50 years of playing pool, I don't think I've ever ran into someone asking me how to learn how to gamble playing pool. It's not something that can be taught, it has to be learned through trial and error....and the first rule of gambling is the ability to read your opponents game skills....if you can't do that....just turn over all your money, because you have no chance to win.
 
I'm sorry Officer, I can't help you...

Flip_dat_Quarta said:
Does anyone have any gambling strategies they'd like to share? There are so many options I sometimes wonder if there is a strategy behind it all. Let's keep our focus on rotation games to avoid confusion.

Here are some general questions to help you consider all of the possibilities:

1. When is it better to play by the game compared to by the set?

2. How do you decide on the amount?

3. How do you decide on the set length?

4. When is it better to ask for a ball spot compared to games on the wire?

5. When is it better to ask for the last X amount of balls compared to a wild or called ball. For example, would you rather get the last three or the wild 6?

6. Can you come up with a list of different spots and rank them? Such as ranking the various hands in poker. This includes, games on the wire, getting the break, getting a wild ball, getting a called ball, getting the last few balls, getting ball in hand after the break, etc...

7. Do you prefer to give weight or get weight?

8. Do you prefer playing somebody even compared to a better or worse player with weight?

9. When is it better to get odds on the money?

10. What level of players are the best to play? Pro, Short Stop, A, B, C, etc...

11. How far in the hole do you get before you quit? How many barrels will you fire?

12. When is it better to play an ahead set?

13. How many games ahead do you prefer? Why?

14. What's your strategy when you're winning but your opponent won't quit and you're dead tired?

15. What's your strategy when you're winning and your opponent continually wants to increase the bet?

You don't need to answer all these questions obviously but hopefully I got you thinking. Some of these I already have an answer to but I'm curious what others will say. Most of it just seems like personal preference but I often hear some people talking like there is a strategy behind it all. They're probably just blowing smoke though. Anyways, I look forward to your comments!
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Rkc hit it square on the head. With most of your questions it takes years and years if not a lifetime to answer and it stil depends on each situation which no one can tell you the answer you HAVE TO be able to figure it out on the spot. Sorry I know this is not much help but honestly you have to put in the time and money to understand.
 
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I didn't read the link but yes id think they are declarative, I was making a funny.
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I still think they sound like a question. The grammar rules don't really matter to me... if someone is prompting me to give them an answer then they asked me a question imo.


"I wonder why..."

That's a question coming.
 
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i am sorry i havent read all the replies
but my strategy would be to be the better player
my experience..(:o) is
as the weaker player you will usually lose
 
I like to gamble by the game.
An old timer, Russ Maddox, told me when I was young...
...snooker and one-pocket...bet a sixth of your issue
...9-ball and 8-ball....bet a tenth of your issue

When I have the bigger bankroll....I want to freeze it up
When the other guy has the biggest bankroll...I want to play by the game....
....I always wanted to win a lumberyard with a tooth-pick bankroll.

As for spots...it's too complicated to express...the situations are too numerous...
...so much depends on skill levels, personalities, and playing conditions.

I will say this about spotting at 9-ball...the spots don't mean the same to different players.
If a low level player gives the 8....it's probably like a top player giving the 6-7-8.
 
My strategy

I study poker, I use my poker knowledge when it comes to playing pool for money. I like your list of questions, questions lead to answers. I trust my instincts that come from experience and knowledge. Remember gambling and playing pool for money 2 separate things. If you gonna play pool for money it helps if you play good. Good luck ..
 
The questions the op asks are subjective having more to do with individual situations more than a rule of thumb. I like to gamble often, high & by the game vs sets. Losing large 9-8 is not my idea of a good time.

The answers to all of your inquiries is something learned over the course of years of big wins & bad beats that give you a basis of knowledge. No real shortcuts, go out there & learn the EF Hutton way, EARN IT!
 
Flip_dat_Quarta said:
Does anyone have any gambling strategies they'd like to share? There are so many options I sometimes wonder if there is a strategy behind it all. Let's keep our focus on rotation games to avoid confusion.

Here are some general questions to help you consider all of the possibilities:

1. When is it better to play by the game compared to by the set?
It is better to play by the game against someone you don't know vs.set. This allows you to figure out their speed without losing a set to them or winning and scaring them off. Its easier to stall by the game, but its also easier for your opponent to do so as well

2. How do you decide on the amount?

How many barrels do you want? If you only have $100 then $10-$20 a game is probably a good bet or $20-$50 sets. Good to have 4-5 games paid for or 2-3 sets.

3. How do you decide on the set length?

The difference in skill. If I'm playing somebody who I'm supposed to beat quite easily then short races are the way to go. The better player is always favored in a longer race, but you don't want to have to work too hard for your money.

4. When is it better to ask for a ball spot compared to games on the wire?

When the skill level is staggeringly different or you simply can't run out. Against a short stop or pro, games on the wire do you no good, especially if they play safe quite well.

5. When is it better to ask for the last X amount of balls compared to a wild or called ball. For example, would you rather get the last three or the wild 6?

Against a pro I prefer the wild 6 because he is going to run out and combos, the break and running to the 6 give me the best chance for success.

6. Can you come up with a list of different spots and rank them? Such as ranking the various hands in poker. This includes, games on the wire, getting the break, getting a wild ball, getting a called ball, getting the last few balls, getting ball in hand after the break, etc...

If the 9 or 10 doesn't count and your opponent can't run balls, giving them the break can be advantage because they can miss in the middle of the rack and set you up. In 9 ball the break is more weight than in 10 ball.

7. Do you prefer to give weight or get weight?

Whichever makes me the favor.

8. Do you prefer playing somebody even compared to a better or worse player with weight?

Even

9. When is it better to get odds on the money?

When your odds of winning are 50/50 or less. More importantly, knowing when to offer odds on the money is much more important.

10. What level of players are the best to play? Pro, Short Stop, A, B, C, etc...

A,B,C. The skill gap against pros and short stops is usually so big that they can give you any kind of weight that they want. But if we are talking about for the purpose of improving than Pro, Short stop, A.

11. How far in the hole do you get before you quit? How many barrels will you fire?

Meh depends on the bet. 4 games and or 2 sets are good rules of thumb. Half my barrels also if I think I'm better off winning money off someone else.

12. When is it better to play an ahead set?

A headset is good when you are betting all of your money or half of it. Its also good for players with a lot of stamina or against players who don't have a lot of stamina. If you are a good front runner then head sets can be good or bad.

13. How many games ahead do you prefer? Why?

In rotation pool, a minimum of 5. Because if I think I am the favorite, the longer the better.

14. What's your strategy when you're winning but your opponent won't quit and you're dead tired?

Tell him you play the next day. More specifically, set a time limit or stopping point. Otherwise take a lot of breaks.

15. What's your strategy when you're winning and your opponent continually wants to increase the bet?

Heads! But only if the increase doesn't allow them to make more back than you have won. For example if you are playing $100 a game and win 4 games you don't want to increase to $400 a game. $200 is ideal because you have 2 of HIS barrels.

You don't need to answer all these questions obviously but hopefully I got you thinking. Some of these I already have an answer to but I'm curious what others will say. Most of it just seems like personal preference but I often hear some people talking like there is a strategy behind it all. They're probably just blowing smoke though. Anyways, I look forward to your comments!
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Its tough to categorize weight from least to greatest for me, especially because I don't play that much rotation.

Everything is preference and really does depended on your opponent.
 
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Most of you guys who've given your advice about gambling playing pool have no idea what gambling is. Gambling is a fools game, hustling is where the money's made. There's one rule of thumb to go by and that is in most case's, your opponent will lose as much money as they're going to lose....chasing down the first dollars they lost. It's your job to keep them following down that path, losing as much as they're going to lose before they call it quits. During that time frame you need to learn as much about your opponent as you can, size him up so to speak....strengths, weaknesses....as to keep taking his money later on down 5 he road. A spot is only given at the time you're playing IF he has more money to lose but is going to quit....to pull him back into the game before he quits, or let him go and get him again when he has more money.....but even still, you don't want to change the game you already won at....unless there's no way you're going to play again without adjusting something. A good example is playing 9 ball, if he CAN'T run out a rack from the break to save his life....it's better to offer him the break and first shot.after the break....rather than giving him another money ball to win on like the wild 8, or even the.call 8. After he falls to run the rack from the break....the spot is gone.
 
Key to gambling imo... charisma.


When you can be the guy that people want to play, want to be around, dont mind losing to... people will give up the nuts to play you.


Alex, Ronnie Allen, Kid Delicious.



Some banter is involved but its playful never dominant. The greats have a presence, they are likable, they are funny, and they know how to win.




Of course knowledge of the game is important, knowledge of how to match up is important but the greats can read a person even better than they can read a table.They sense limits on how far to go... wether its how much they can win or when to tease and when to compliment. When you got those qualities it doesnt even matter if you play inferior to your opponent, you will usually come out on top.
 
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