Gambling to Be the Best

Kerry Impson said:
I agree 100% with that statement, and that's what I meant by the disposition of the player making a huge difference. When I played pro I felt pressure to perform because (a) I paid to compete in the event, and (b) there was always someone watching. This motivated me to concentrate fully and bear down. At the same time, I was used to this pressure because my practice consisted solely of playing in as many tournaments as I could find.....whereas now, all of my practice is at home; and although it's definitely better practice than before, I really feel the pressure when I'm competing in a tournament! :(

If you can find a couple of good players to spar with regularly for affordable sets, it will help. All players get nervous in tournaments, but especially when they are out of competition for too long. Plus this would give you something to practice up for, and it might reveal shots you need to work on in practice.

I was watching the Mosconi cup last night - Gabe Owens was shaking like a leaf but he made every shot anyway. Wish I could do that.

Chris
 
Lets you & I nit some together!

TATE said:
Yes, I have my own too: nit

I'll be at The Derby in January "For Sure". How about you & I nit-ing together for a couple of K's in some One Pocket ???

TY & GL
 
ScottR said:
There are many different kinds of pressure for different people. Tiger Woods had an almost ubelievable amateur career, playing for himself, turned pro and has had an unbelievable pro career, playing for himself. He was called the king of match-play, based on his amateur record; one one one against his opponents. And, he's won a couple (I think 2) of big match play events as a pro. How about his match play in the Ryder Cup? Shaky, at best.

So, does the best golfer in the past xx years suddenly forget to play the game? Doubtful. He has proven on many stages that he is consistently bullet-proof under pressure. How does his Ryder Cup performance happen? What is the difference? Hmmm . . . . he has teammates relying on his performance. Totally different kind of pressure. Is that the answer? Who knows for sure. Maybe he just doesn't give a rip about the event. I find that doubtful, given his competetive nature. The one big variable is the team situation.

Anyway, my point is different people, different perception of pressure.

IMHO.


Hi Scott, I think that is a little different and the key there is team. I know many fantastic players who just play like shit for a team. I don't think it has anything to do with not being able to play under pressure though
 
Kerry Impson said:
.....whereas now, all of my practice is at home; and although it's definitely better practice than before, I really feel the pressure when I'm competing in a tournament! :(

I think you just hit the nail on the head. :-)

The thing is most people would struggle to find a large tournmanet to play in evey night/day of the week. If you could this would also be ideal preperation for pressure situations. Most people however can get games for money no matter how small any day of the week, this is a great alternative in my opinion and it doesn't have to be for your short on your back!

I have to say though that I've met some great players from all over the world and they all seem to have the same thing in common. They gambled at pool from an early age - not all, but most. Is this just a coincidence?
 
Funny story that my friend told me the other night. A few months ago some guy asked him to play for cash. He didn't really want to play but his friend pushed him into it and said he would back him. He won the first set and then agreed to play again reluctantly. He won that and then the guy wanted to play another set for higher stakes, his "backer" agreed and luckily he won. All excited after the guy had gone the player ran up to his "backer" and shouted "Have I got some ass(courage!) or what!". His backer replied "not as much as me, I've got no money!" After he had taken his 50% share of the winnings naturally LOL!
 
Why Do You Gamble????

The Christian and Gambling

by: Todd Clippard



America is becoming a nation of habitual gamblers. Conservative estimates place the legal gambling total at $40 billion annually. Probably every state in the union has legalized gambling in some form, whether it be casino gambling, horse and dog tracks, the lottery, bingo, raffles, or such like. Gambling is a sin. As such, no Christian should participate in it or encourage its legalization in any way.

1. Gambling is sinful, even though it may be legal.
a. Legality does not determine rightness or wrongness.
b. Consider the following legal activities: abortion; assisted suicide; sale of tobacco; alcohol; and in California, marijuana (for medicinal
purposes); prostitution (in Nevada).
c. Betting with odds makers ("bookies"), etc. is doubly sinful in that it not
violates the law of God, but also the laws of the state of Alabama.

2. Gambling is sinful, even if it is for a "good cause."
a. If schools are a good cause, then increase property or sales taxes.
b. The Catholic Church has sprouted bingo halls all over the world to
support their heresy, and Catholics have responded in kind by
withholding their financial contributions to the church.
c. Romans 3:8 Paul said that some affirmed the slanderous reported that
he taught, "Let us do evil, that good may come." It is never right to do
wrong!
d. If a single mother needed money for food, clothing, and shelter for
herself and her children, could she prostitute herself? Why not? The
money is a good cause!

3. Gambling is sinful because of its adverse effect on society:
a. It is additive:
1. There are 4 million compulsive gamblers in the US (1997)
2. Teens are twice as likely to become addicted as adults
3. In 1998, thousands of Californians drove to AZ to buy powerball
tickets and waited in line up to 10 hours to buy tickets. When the
store tried to close at its normal time, police had to be called to stop a potential riot among those who had waited all day and had not yet
purchased tickets.

b. It contributes to crime. Hancock Co., MS: the following statistics are
for crime in the six months after gambling was legalized compared to the six months before legalization:
1. Stolen vehicles - up 188%
2. Assaults - up 185%
3. Burglaries - up 100%
4. Theft - up 218%
5. Child molestation - up 353%
6. Vandalism - up 190%
7. Suicide - up 900%

c. It contributes to bankruptcy - 18% higher in counties w/gambling

d. It contributes to suicide:
1. See stats for Hancock Co, MS
2. In Nevada, suicide rates of visitors is 155% above average, and the
suicide rate of residents is 60% above average.

e. It takes money from those who can least afford it:
In Georgia, in areas where the average household income is less than
$20,000, lottery ticket purchases average $250 per person annually,
while households with incomes of $40,000+ spent only $97 per
person annually.
In Kentucky, 79% of lottery ticket purchases were in areas with an
average household income of less than $21,000.
The lottery is nothing but a voluntary tax on the poor.

4. Gambling is sinful because:
It violates Matthew 7:12 the golden rule
It violates Colossians 3:5 - God's law against covetousness
It violates Galatians 5:19-21 the works of the flesh
It violates Romans 12:17 - Provide things honest in the sight of all men
It violates Galatians 6:10 - let us do good unto all men
It violates Luke 12:42; I Peter 4:10 - good stewardship
It violates I Peter 2:21 the perfect example of Jesus Christ
It violates every God approved means of obtaining money:
1. Laboring for one's living - Matthew 10:1-10; I Cor. 9:14; I Tim. 5:18;
Eph. 4:28
Selling of goods - II Kings 4:7; Acts 5:4
Inheritance - Luke 15 prodigal son
Free will giving without thought of gain in return - Acts 2:45

I honestly think the bad far out weighs the good in this case. I certainly have my own issues to deal with. I am a Christian, but not way over to the right. We all have to walk this road alone. I am a decent pool player and I don't have to gamble to prove it to anyone.
Purdman ( Standing In The Need Of Prayer )
 
Money games

My brother offered 1 piece of advice when I started playing at age 14. He said if you really want to be good, play for money -- You don't have to play for much, only what you can afford, but play for something.

Money games make it count for something as long as your ego doesn't get in the way. We bet everyday on ourselves - in our jobs, in our marriages, in everyday life that we will get back what we want because we are willing to go the extra mile in giving of ourselves that we will attain a measure of satisfaction and fulfillment in return in some way.l

Money matches make you go that 'extra mile'. It puts reality at your doorstep that you are good enough or not good enough to win, and if you are not good enough to win a $1,000 set, then what level are you good enough to win at?

If you got a job that you couldn't handle, would you give up, or would you put in the time and effort to learn how to do it properly until you felt like you were earning that big salary? People in Pool do the same, some just want the paycheck no matter what they do, some want to earn it and learn enough to get there, and some just go along until they get fired (like a pool player that does not try to improve but wants to play bigger money matches until they get in over their head in a match), and some just plain give up because it takes too much thinking and effort.

There are some people that are good at Pool in life and nothing else.
There are some people that are good at everything they do in life.

There are watchers in life, and there are doers. Can you accept yourself at being bad at something? I can not, and never have. I was short growing up, and I know what it is like to be picked on and teased and ridiculed. I overcame it by developing physically and by using my brain to be in the top 10% of whatever I took on, studies or athletics or work.

What it boils down to is this - when a person perceives that they have a problem, they either do something about overcoming it or avoiding it, unless they are too dumb to even know there is a problem .... lol

And if you are afraid to bet on yourself, don't bet on anyone else, because your perceptions will not be true to reality.

I have played Pool for 43 years, I don't play for free unless it is league, and have played many 4 figure sets in my life, just the same as I would not work for a company for free. I have honed and developed my skills and put in my time thinking and learning the sport to a level that is above just playing for fun, unless it is a charity event.
 
Gambling neccessary? NOPE!! DO i like to gamble? YEP!! Do i feel that gambling helps? YES!! Do i gamble to help my game? NOPE!! I gamble for the rush of gambling. OKAY? Gambling on pool helps your game in this respect, its an emotional rollercoaster. It teaches you to deal with your emotions.

Here is an example of the type of rollercoaster I'm talking about:
I get a $20 game set up. I stand up break and run the first rack, pocket the $20. I am at the top of the world, huge smile, confidence, everything is going great. Get up the next rack break, sink a few balls and miss, uh-oh now I'm starting to fall, feel like an idiot, i played stupid position, oh god how the hell did i miss that last one. What the hell am i playing for if im just gonna give his money back every second game, JESUS!! then he misses. What an idiot, I am gonna runnout,..... oops i missed.

That is part of the reason I love to gamble on pool. When I'm playing in a tournament i can keep my emotions in Check much easier now. It didn't make me a better ball pocketer, or better at making position. It gives me the ability to put myself in a better mental state to Pocket Balls better, and make position better. I hope you guys understand what i am getting at. Basicly if you want to perform under pressure, try and put yourself underpressure LOTS. The more pressure i put myself under, the better i handle that pressure next time.
 
Gambling helps in all endeavors, but especially pool. When you get down on your shot, how do you know your going to make it? Only by practice and confidence.
Gambling on pool helps you remember what you did wrong. Since your game has a direct effect on your opponants game; pool is unique. When most people practice they dont remember the shots that cost them the game, or their thoughts before they shoot it. When gambling you remember why you missed, and it gives you something to work on. Wether you missed because of a bad thought in your head, a twitch from your body, or anyhting else.
 
I don't gamble, but I like to bet on myself. Big difference. Gambling is something you do at a Casino. Betting in pool there is alot of skill involved and really no luck factor, so it's not gambling. Gambling in pool is when people sidebet, etc. They have no control in the outcome of the match, and they are betting on it, so that is gambling.
 
LastTwo said:
I don't gamble, but I like to bet on myself. Big difference. Gambling is something you do at a Casino. Betting in pool there is alot of skill involved and really no luck factor, so it's not gambling. Gambling in pool is when people sidebet, etc. They have no control in the outcome of the match, and they are betting on it, so that is gambling.

Betting in pool there is alot of skill involved and really no luck factor, so it's not gambling.

Gambling: To risk or bet something of value on the outcome of an event.
To take a risk to obtain a desirable result.
To wager or bet.
So it is gambling my friend. Listen, I really don't mind what others do. If you gamble, that is your business. What you do with your cash is also your business. I also know that most of the people are pro gambling, that's fine. I am a live and let live kind of guy. I believe we are all here to learn something. Doesn't matter if it is thru gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, what ever. We learn thru our experiences. That is our purpose. Good luck and God bless, Purdman
 
Afraid to gamble!

Hello Mr. purdman it is interesting that you said you do not want my money, I do not have any kids and can afford to lose a few bucks as I don't disagree with what your saying about gambling I do not think it can hurt your game either. To imply that you don't want a persons $ may in fact be an honest statement but in my opinion it's also an excuse for not testing your skills against a very accomplished player. Please don't read me wrong I respect what your saying but I grew up differently than as did everyone, I can tell you you probably would not want to try to bet your $ against me on the table.Yours truly
Danny Harriman
 
Kerry... in golf, there was a lot of gambling going on for up and coming players to hone their skills and nerves if you go beyond a decade ago. Many a great PGA tour player traveled around to different courses looking for a big money game just like pool roadies. It was the ONLY way to get better. For many, it didn't make them great tournament players though, just great money players. Believe it or not the games and the hustles were identical in many ways to what goes on in the pool room. You have guys dumping on the course, laying down for a bigger bet the next day, screwing over your backer (yes it goes on there also).

But now, there are so many things available in golf starting with junior camps, junior tournaments, HS, College, mini-tours out of the ying yang, and right on down the line. Some gambling still goes on within the ranks of each of those areas from HS on up, but it's no longer the training ground.

BTW..when you were learning the game and coming up, didn't you gamble?
Huh...huh...tell uncle Driver the truth now. :D
 
Danny Harriman said:
Hello Mr. purdman it is interesting that you said you do not want my money, I do not have any kids and can afford to lose a few bucks as I don't disagree with what your saying about gambling I do not think it can hurt your game either. To imply that you don't want a persons $ may in fact be an honest statement but in my opinion it's also an excuse for not testing your skills against a very accomplished player. Please don't read me wrong I respect what your saying but I grew up differently than as did everyone, I can tell you you probably would not want to try to bet your $ against me on the table....

Danny, welcome to the AzBilliards Discussion Forum! :) It's great to see you posting.

I just wanted to interject, if I may. In your experience on the tournament trail, which was the best moment for you? I can't help but think that it was when you were in Baltimore at the ESPN Zone and made 6 balls on the break, playing 7-ball. I had never seen that before and thought it was cool, especially on TV. Alex Pagulayan made 6 balls on the break against Santos at the BCA Open last year, but unfortunately, the way the balls lay, he wasn't able to get out and Santos won the game. :eek:

We missed seeing you at the Super Billiards Expo this year, and hope to see you on the tournament trail up ahead. There's plenty of opportunities just waiting for the taking, and I cannot believe that you're a happy camper hanging up your cue stick.

As far as the topic at hand on gambling, continue on. Just wanted to say hi! :)

JAM
 
Danny Harriman said:
Hello Mr. purdman it is interesting that you said you do not want my money, I do not have any kids and can afford to lose a few bucks as I don't disagree with what your saying about gambling I do not think it can hurt your game either. To imply that you don't want a persons $ may in fact be an honest statement but in my opinion it's also an excuse for not testing your skills against a very accomplished player. Please don't read me wrong I respect what your saying but I grew up differently than as did everyone, I can tell you you probably would not want to try to bet your $ against me on the table.Yours truly
Danny Harriman

Danny, I play accomplished players all the time. The last time I gambled, I won $80 off Keith McCready's designated breaker. I never said I never gambled. There are a bunch of things I don't do any more. I am a long way away from sainthood. I grew up on the inner city streets and there isn't much I haven't done. ( Killing and rapeing are not on the done list )
I will play you for the best steak dinner you ever had in your life. That's not gambling either, I would buy ya dinner anyway. Come on down and play my friend. 18oz, 30 day aged Black Angus porterhouse steak, straight from NY. Top of the line. So let's get it on.
Purdman
 
OldHasBeen said:
I'll be at The Derby in January "For Sure". How about you & I nit-ing together for a couple of K's in some One Pocket ???

TY & GL

You must have a line on my one pocket game.
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Danny, I play accomplished players all the time. The last time I gambled, I won $80 off Keith McCready's designated breaker....

Did you crawfish this past weekend on the homemade fried chicken dinner playoff in Hagerstown? :p

You must have been hitting 'em pretty good, Don, to beat the designated breaker. He cracks the balls like a cannon! :eek:

JAM
 

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JAM said:
Did you crawfish this past weekend on the homemade fried chicken dinner playoff in Hagerstown? :p

You must have been hitting 'em pretty good, Don, to beat the designated breaker. He cracks the balls like a cannon! :eek:

JAM

Ask Jerry JAM. He quit on me. Please don't ask me about the weight!!!! :D
The last game, he said " Nice Sh!t Shot". I said " Here's another one " and banked the nine table length like a rocket. He quit! End of story.
Purdman :p
 
Kerry Impson said:
I agree 100% with that statement, and that's what I meant by the disposition of the player making a huge difference. When I played pro I felt pressure to perform because (a) I paid to compete in the event, and (b) there was always someone watching. This motivated me to concentrate fully and bear down. At the same time, I was used to this pressure because my practice consisted solely of playing in as many tournaments as I could find.....whereas now, all of my practice is at home; and although it's definitely better practice than before, I really feel the pressure when I'm competing in a tournament! :(
I can remember wins and losses from 20 yrs ago,shots that i made or missed,but i cant really remember much about tourneys i played in a month ago.It is a totally different mindset imo.I know there will always be another tourney next week,month,or year but i may not ever play this money match with this person again.
 
JAM said:
Danny, welcome to the AzBilliards Discussion Forum! :) It's great to see you posting.

I just wanted to interject, if I may. In your experience on the tournament trail, which was the best moment for you? I can't help but think that it was when you were in Baltimore at the ESPN Zone and made 6 balls on the break, playing 7-ball. I had never seen that before and thought it was cool, especially on TV.

JAM

He won the Bank Pool at Derby City a couple of years ago which must rank at or near the top. Quite an accomplishment.

Wayne
 
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