Yup. There are a few different ways to clear the hip. I just wondered how Bob does it. I'm happy with my approach.
Give me a simple easy aim system
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Yup. There are a few different ways to clear the hip. I just wondered how Bob does it. I'm happy with my approach.
I'm curious if Bob does it any differently as well.....maybe he will elaborate soon.
I'm curious if Bob does it any differently as well.....maybe he will elaborate soon.
Playing pool isn't a natural thing for the human body so doing what's "natural" or what "feels good" will often not give us the best results. Standing directly behind the line of the shot is what Buddy Hall stressed last time we worked together and I'm glad he did.
"If it feels right, there's a good chance it's not"
'The Game is the Teacher'
I'm curious if Bob does it any differently as well.....maybe he will elaborate soon.
Playing pool isn't a natural thing for the human body so doing what's "natural" or what "feels good" will often not give us the best results. Standing directly behind the line of the shot is what Buddy Hall stressed last time we worked together and I'm glad he did.
"If it feels right, there's a good chance it's not"
'The Game is the Teacher'
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There's a TAR match going on now that clearly shows 2 of the top players in world playing from offsets using right and left sweeps to the cue ball.
Stan Shuffett
Stan Shuffett
Why would they be lining up off of the line and sweeping into the shot from left and right if they are not using your visuals?
Perhaps I could understand them coming in slightly from one side consistantly with their own "visuals" but you say you see them sweeping in from both sides. Why would they do that? What are the benefits?
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Maybe it's their visual/physical intelligence that figured out the game after their blue million shots.
I am just trying to share and advance what they're doing to the great dismay of some.
It's very likely that their offsets are correct and consistent in connecting with the geometry of a table.
It's quite possible that they can't explain their offsets. That's where CTE PRO ONE comes in. I can describe in language the objective perceptual offsets that absolutely connect to a table.
It all goes back to what Hal said. The top 200 players use my system. Hal was referring to those hat had logged their hours too.
It's really to sweet to see 'em turn and bend into their shots. Why do I say that? Because I have spent 10 to 15000 hours making a study of it and all that goes with it.
99% of my time was at the table, too, working with perception and how the body follows and more recently how it all connects with the table.
Thank you for that question.
Stan Shuffett
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I'd like to hear more about what you call connecting to the geometry of the table.
What does that even mean?
Does the snooker player in the video I posted connect to the geometry since he drops straight into the shot?
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My thoughts have already been expressed concerning that video.
And they're not going to change.
Stan Shuffett
My explanations for connecting to table Geo will be in DVD2.
Also, a player can play from an offset and bring their cue straight down to connect with table geo.
Stan Shuffett
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For now just consider it "Food For Thought".
How Stan answers this question will be different pertaining to the CTE PRO 1 system, however I've done R&D on the subject and how it relates to my philosophy of pool and the systems and techniques that I use effectively. Let me elaborate, however, please note that this is best done on video, not in writing.......for now just consider it "Food For Thought".
There are two squares put together that form the rectangle shape of the pool/billiard table, and the diamonds, pockets, and object balls will be used to create a vast array of angles.. The key for me was when I discovered how the round spheres connect to these geometric shapes, and the door (to understanding) immediately started to open.
The key that unlocks the doors of understanding is located in the cue ball, it's the only geometric shape that we directly contact and {through it's contact} all the other angles are created. The pool cue is essential for this process to come to fruition, without this "straight line" none of the techniques and systems I use would be possible.
Once I grew to understand the connection of the straight line (pool cue) to the sphere (cue ball), and how this connection could create all the other possible angles the "inner game" started to reveal it's self, first at the unconscious level, and now the conscious level through explaining, demonstrating, and teaching these techniques. Before I simply used them to have an advantage in competition, and play the game at a deep, subconscious level by striving to "become the cue ball".
My have grown to understand there's an "outer game," which consists of the object balls, the cushions, the diamonds, the pockets, the cloth, etc, - we have no direct influence over any of this "game". The cue ball on the other hand is part of the "inner game," and it is directly influenced by our body, our mind and our creativity. Whatever we do to the cue ball has a direct effect on the outer game in some way, shape or form.
If I spin the cue ball with left spin, it puts right spin on the object ball for example and any other spin I apply to the cue ball, it transfers the equal opposite spin on the object ball. The cue also has an equal opposite effect on the cue ball, if I hit the cue ball to the left, it makes it deflect right, if I hit down on the cue ball, it makes it go up (jump shot), so we are constantly dealing with reflections whether we "real eyes" it or not.
This leads to some really cool techniques when creating angles playing pool because whatever you do to the cue ball has the same, yet opposite effect on the object ball. The diamonds can be used to measure these effects, and for example if you put a TIP of left english on the cue ball it will go exactly one diamond when shooting across the table (4-4.5ft), and if you place the object ball at that spot and hit the cue ball exactly the same way (with left english) it will throw the object ball exactly one diamond to the right.
When you calibrate where the cue ball is contacted (with your TIP) to the angle it creates off the cushion, (and to the object ball) you start to enter the "inner geometry" of the pool game. This is done by either pivoting, or parallel shifting the pool cue to change where the contact is on the cue ball. One TIP will effect cue ball ONE DIAMOND, two TIPS will effect the cue ball TWO DIAMONDS, three TIPS will effect the cue ball THREE DIAMONDS, etc. (Four TIPS is the maximum, although I can actually create angles that are closer to 5 or 6 TIPS, but that requires "other factors" ie: masse, elevation, bridge pressure, wrist maneuvering, etc).
This is very difficult to communicate in writing, however, it's a major part of my upcoming video which not only explains, also demonstrates how the TIP connects all the angles/diamonds to the cue ball (the inner game). This works for two rail banks, as well as three, four, and even five rail banks. All the angles connect though the cue ball and once this is "real eyesed" it's very difficult to ever look at the pool table the same again.
We've had several unforeseen delays, however, the Banking TIPS Video Will Soon be Released - "connecting the outer game {of pool} to your inner game of pool"
'The Game is the Teacher'
(((Satori)));4206467[B said:
How Stan answers this question will be different pertaining to the CTE PRO 1 system, however I've done R&D on the subject and how it relates to my philosophy of pool and the systems and techniques that I use effectively. Let me elaborate, however, please note that this is best done on video, not in writing.......for now just consider it "Food For Thought".
There are two squares put together that form the rectangle shape of the pool/billiard table, and the diamonds, pockets, and object balls will be used to create a vast array of angles.. The key for me was when I discovered how the round spheres connect to these geometric shapes, and the door (to understanding) immediately started to open.
The key that unlocks the doors of understanding is located in the cue ball, it's the only geometric shape that we directly contact and {through it's contact} all the other angles are created. The pool cue is essential for this process to come to fruition, without this "straight line" none of the techniques and systems I use would be possible.
Once I grew to understand the connection of the straight line (pool cue) to the sphere (cue ball), and how this connection could create all the other possible angles the "inner game" started to reveal it's self, first at the unconscious level, and now the conscious level through explaining, demonstrating, and teaching these techniques. Before I simply used them to have an advantage in competition, and play the game at a deep, subconscious level by striving to "become the cue ball".
My have grown to understand there's an "outer game," which consists of the object balls, the cushions, the diamonds, the pockets, the cloth, etc, - we have no direct influence over any of this "game". The cue ball on the other hand is part of the "inner game," and it is directly influenced by our body, our mind and our creativity. Whatever we do to the cue ball has a direct effect on the outer game in some way, shape or form.
If I spin the cue ball with left spin, it puts right spin on the object ball for example and any other spin I apply to the cue ball, it transfers the equal opposite spin on the object ball. The cue also has an equal opposite effect on the cue ball, if I hit the cue ball to the left, it makes it deflect right, if I hit down on the cue ball, it makes it go up (jump shot), so we are constantly dealing with reflections whether we "real eyes" it or not.
This leads to some really cool techniques when creating angles playing pool because whatever you do to the cue ball has the same, yet opposite effect on the object ball. The diamonds can be used to measure these effects, and for example if you put a TIP of left english on the cue ball it will go exactly one diamond when shooting across the table (4-4.5ft), and if you place the object ball at that spot and hit the cue ball exactly the same way (with left english) it will throw the object ball exactly one diamond to the right.
When you calibrate where the cue ball is contacted (with your TIP) to the angle it creates off the cushion, (and to the object ball) you start to enter the "inner geometry" of the pool game. This is done by either pivoting, or parallel shifting the pool cue to change where the contact is on the cue ball. One TIP will effect cue ball ONE DIAMOND, two TIPS will effect the cue ball TWO DIAMONDS, three TIPS will effect the cue ball THREE DIAMONDS, etc. (Four TIPS is the maximum, although I can actually create angles that are closer to 5 or 6 TIPS, but that requires "other factors" ie: masse, elevation, bridge pressure, wrist maneuvering, etc).
This is very difficult to communicate in writing, however, it's a major part of my upcoming video which not only explains, also demonstrates how the TIP connects all the angles/diamonds to the cue ball (the inner game). This works for two rail banks, as well as three, four, and even five rail banks. All the angles connect though the cue ball and once this is "real eyesed" it's very difficult to ever look at the pool table the same again.
We've had several unforeseen delays, however, the Banking TIPS Video Will Soon be Released - "connecting the outer game {of pool} to your inner game of pool"
'The Game is the Teacher'
C.J.,How Stan answers this question will be different pertaining to the CTE PRO 1 system, however I've done R&D on the subject and how it relates to my philosophy of pool and the systems and techniques that I use effectively. Let me elaborate, however, please note that this is best done on video, not in writing.......for now just consider it "Food For Thought".
There are two squares put together that form the rectangle shape of the pool/billiard table, and the diamonds, pockets, and object balls will be used to create a vast array of angles.. The key for me was when I discovered how the round spheres connect to these geometric shapes, and the door (to understanding) immediately started to open.
The key that unlocks the doors of understanding is located in the cue ball, it's the only geometric shape that we directly contact and {through it's contact} all the other angles are created. The pool cue is essential for this process to come to fruition, without this "straight line" none of the techniques and systems I use would be possible.
Once I grew to understand the connection of the straight line (pool cue) to the sphere (cue ball), and how this connection could create all the other possible angles the "inner game" started to reveal it's self, first at the unconscious level, and now the conscious level through explaining, demonstrating, and teaching these techniques. Before I simply used them to have an advantage in competition, and play the game at a deep, subconscious level by striving to "become the cue ball".
My have grown to understand there's an "outer game," which consists of the object balls, the cushions, the diamonds, the pockets, the cloth, etc, - we have no direct influence over any of this "game". The cue ball on the other hand is part of the "inner game," and it is directly influenced by our body, our mind and our creativity. Whatever we do to the cue ball has a direct effect on the outer game in some way, shape or form.
If I spin the cue ball with left spin, it puts right spin on the object ball for example and any other spin I apply to the cue ball, it transfers the equal opposite spin on the object ball. The cue also has an equal opposite effect on the cue ball, if I hit the cue ball to the left, it makes it deflect right, if I hit down on the cue ball, it makes it go up (jump shot), so we are constantly dealing with reflections whether we "real eyes" it or not.
This leads to some really cool techniques when creating angles playing pool because whatever you do to the cue ball has the same, yet opposite effect on the object ball. The diamonds can be used to measure these effects, and for example if you put a TIP of left english on the cue ball it will go exactly one diamond when shooting across the table (4-4.5ft), and if you place the object ball at that spot and hit the cue ball exactly the same way (with left english) it will throw the object ball exactly one diamond to the right.
When you calibrate where the cue ball is contacted (with your TIP) to the angle it creates off the cushion, (and to the object ball) you start to enter the "inner geometry" of the pool game. This is done by either pivoting, or parallel shifting the pool cue to change where the contact is on the cue ball. One TIP will effect cue ball ONE DIAMOND, two TIPS will effect the cue ball TWO DIAMONDS, three TIPS will effect the cue ball THREE DIAMONDS, etc. (Four TIPS is the maximum, although I can actually create angles that are closer to 5 or 6 TIPS, but that requires "other factors" ie: masse, elevation, bridge pressure, wrist maneuvering, etc).
This is very difficult to communicate in writing, however, it's a major part of my upcoming video which not only explains, also demonstrates how the TIP connects all the angles/diamonds to the cue ball (the inner game). This works for two rail banks, as well as three, four, and even five rail banks. All the angles connect though the cue ball and once this is "real eyesed" it's very difficult to ever look at the pool table the same again.
We've had several unforeseen delays, however, the Banking TIPS Video Will Soon be Released - "connecting the outer game {of pool} to your inner game of pool"
'The Game is the Teacher'
You are a very intelligent man with an obvious ability to very clearly form thought and with great detail. That is why you play so good IMO. And your hustles throughout the years are unmatched. If the world could hear about all of the hustles you have pulled over the years you would no doubt go down as the greatest pool hustler of all time IMO. I would love to read a tell all book one of these days. Thanks for responding and good luck on your sells but that did not really answer my question.
I asked Stan why Shane and Dennis would view the shot while standing from an offset position relating to the line of aim, and then sweep down onto the shot, sometimes with a right sweep and sometimes with a left sweep. Why would they do this if they are not using his visuals? I'm not sure how Dennis lines up his shot but let's say be located the contact point and finds the corresponding point on the cue ball and lines them straight up, why would he do this from an offset position, never mind why he would do it sometimes offset from the right and sometimes offset from the left. It makes no sense to me.
His response was something to the effect that they drop in from an offset position naturally because they have learned to connect to the geometry of the table. Now I'm not sure what he means there and apparently he doesn't want to tell unless someone buys his DVD but I am pretty sure he is not referring to the same concepts you wrote about. Thanks for the response anyway.
It is fact that a slight rotation to CCB from left or right connects with table geometry. I uncovered this evidence 13 months ago. I have 1 year of time and $ invested in my efforts to share what I have learned.
As I have said before no one needs to buy my DVD2. I will share it here at home for NOTHING after DVD2 comes out as long as I have the energy.
DVD2 will essentially be an encyclopedia of center to edge aiming. The run time will be 2/12 to 3 hours.
It sounds as though, perhaps, you think I am not being fair in wanting to recoup some $ for my time and efforts. I am up to 15000 for DVD2 and 500-700 plus hours of work on the project over the past year.
As time goes on I am going to spend less and less time and energy with those that have a single goal of killing CTE and the work that I am advancing.
You and I talking is like mixing oil and water. I study the visual/physical of how the game is REALLY played while most that are out to disprove CTE and my work use a key board and paper and pen.
Stan Shuffett
Primo...Since nobody corrected you, I will. It is Ron Vitello...not Joe V something. Ron lives in NYC, and is happy to share his "method" (called "90/90") with anybody who is interested. You can PM kaznj here, and he can explain it quite well too...he has spent considerable time with Ron Vitello on this method of aiming.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
We worked together in Tunica last year and I saw the positive results, however .....
Yes, that's from my "food for thought" file, and I made that clear at the beginning of my post. This is just a very interesting topic, but in my case has nothing to do with coming in from the left or right of the "line of the shot". I prefer to stand directly on the line between the Center to Center or Center to Edge of the OB/CB. Stan did make it clear that it was ok for me to pivot in from the left, and I needed that because I was struggling with trying to come straight down on every shot and that wasn't working.
For me the "alignment" and the "aiming" serve two separate functions. The alignment is a consistent connection between the Cue Ball and the Object Ball and the Aiming is done at the Cue Ball with the TIP. To determine Speed, Contact Points and Cue Ball Target is a difficult task. I prefer to combine the "Shot Angle and the Tip Target" into one blended process. You have to hit the Cue Ball precisely no matter what, so why not connect these two processes if you can?
Stan's system seems to do this type blending, but in a different way. We worked together in Tunica last year and I saw the positive results, however I was struggling with my game and my "TOI" was not being fully utilized so my game was pretty weak.
I look forward to Stan's DVD coming out, I really want to study the information and see once and for all how it all comes together. I would think at some level it all connects, because the game's geometry is perfect it's just a matter of how we calibrate your own minds to match that perfection (at the unconscious level).
Yes, that's from my "food for thought" file, and I made that clear at the beginning of my post. This is just a very interesting topic, but in my case has nothing to do with coming in from the left or right of the "line of the shot". I prefer to stand directly on the line between the Center to Center or Center to Edge of the OB/CB. Stan did make it clear that it was ok for me to pivot in from the left, and I needed that because I was struggling with trying to come straight down on every shot and that wasn't working.
For me the "alignment" and the "aiming" serve two separate functions. The alignment is a consistent connection between the Cue Ball and the Object Ball and the Aiming is done at the Cue Ball with the TIP. To determine Speed, Contact Points and Cue Ball Target is a difficult task. I prefer to combine the "Shot Angle and the Tip Target" into one blended process. You have to hit the Cue Ball precisely no matter what, so why not connect these two processes if you can?
Stan's system seems to do this type blending, but in a different way. We worked together in Tunica last year and I saw the positive results, however I was struggling with my game and my "TOI" was not being fully utilized so my game was pretty weak.
I look forward to Stan's DVD coming out, I really want to study the information and see once and for all how it all comes together. I would think at some level it all connects, because the game's geometry is perfect it's just a matter of how we calibrate your own minds to match that perfection (at the unconscious level).