Glueing up joints/buttsleeves

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I know several of the cuemakers have limited lathes. I to am limited at times with glueing up joints , buttsleeves, buttplates, and ringwork. I have been using a lathe saving way of glueing up parts for years and just figured I would share to those who may be interested.
Worst thing in the world is to have 1 or even 2 lathes and have to glue up a joint,buttsleeve. I used to use my lathe to press fit these parts on the cue. I don't use 5 minute so time was always an issue. You would glue them up, press, and wait. just kills your productive day.
So I figured I would use a small screw with a 1/4 inch head on it, a washer that was big enough to cover either the joint or buttplate, and press fit it with it.
I tried it and worked awesome. I just cut and fit all parts needed. The I take a drill bit about 40 thousands smaller than the out side thread of the screw, drill in plenty deep. Pre thread the screw into the hole, back it out, then start glueing all my pieces in 1 at a time as always. Only thing, I leave about 30 thousands overhang on either the buttplate or joint collar sticking out so that the washer has a piece to press against.
Then just take a small ratchet and screw the screw in tight with the washer hitting the edge, torque down tight , adjusting tightness every few minutes until no more glue is coming out of the ringwork or collar, and just wipe all excess glue off rotating the cue by hand in the lathe with a paper towel, remove the cue and let dry.
Now your lathe is never tied up again and the screw/washer combo is about 30 cents at any hardware store. So you can glue up several cues with little out of pocket expense and a free lathe all day is PRICELESS!
Just thought this may help folks ,
Jim Lee
 
I do something similar but use delrin for contact point. This way it doesnt stick to what I am glueing.
 
J&D CUSTOMS said:
I know several of the cuemakers have limited lathes. I to am limited at times with glueing up joints , buttsleeves, buttplates, and ringwork. I have been using a lathe saving way of glueing up parts for years and just figured I would share to those who may be interested.
Worst thing in the world is to have 1 or even 2 lathes and have to glue up a joint,buttsleeve. I used to use my lathe to press fit these parts on the cue. I don't use 5 minute so time was always an issue. You would glue them up, press, and wait. just kills your productive day.
So I figured I would use a small screw with a 1/4 inch head on it, a washer that was big enough to cover either the joint or buttplate, and press fit it with it.
I tried it and worked awesome. I just cut and fit all parts needed. The I take a drill bit about 40 thousands smaller than the out side thread of the screw, drill in plenty deep. Pre thread the screw into the hole, back it out, then start glueing all my pieces in 1 at a time as always. Only thing, I leave about 30 thousands overhang on either the buttplate or joint collar sticking out so that the washer has a piece to press against.
Then just take a small ratchet and screw the screw in tight with the washer hitting the edge, torque down tight , adjusting tightness every few minutes until no more glue is coming out of the ringwork or collar, and just wipe all excess glue off rotating the cue by hand in the lathe with a paper towel, remove the cue and let dry.
Now your lathe is never tied up again and the screw/washer combo is about 30 cents at any hardware store. So you can glue up several cues with little out of pocket expense and a free lathe all day is PRICELESS!
Just thought this may help folks ,
Jim Lee
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Hi Jim; a word of warning. If you press too hard, you will not have enough glue left, to do the holding that you need. End grain especially is difficult to glue. Just leave enough to do the job. Otherwise your method sounds good...JER
 
Here are some pic. I use it with a pin for the shaft and without for the butt.
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By using steel washers , they do not stick, and if they do , a light tap will loosen it. Actually Jer I torque my parts as tight as I can and have yet to see one come loose. I also use a razor blade and cut small grooves into the tenons while the lathe is spinning to help in glueng. Really helps bond strong and gives a type of small relief for the glue. I cut about every 16th of an inch by hand with the razor blade all the way down the tennon. Then I take the razor blade and cut small grooves down the tenon as well. Gives it a criss cross pattern that bonds well.
Hope all this helps someone!
Thanx,
Jim Lee
 
J&D CUSTOMS said:
I cut about every 16th of an inch by hand with the razor blade all the way down the tennon. Then I take the razor blade and cut small grooves down the tenon as well. Gives it a criss cross pattern that bonds well.
Hope all this helps someone!
Thanx,
Jim Lee
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This is pretty much the same way I prep the tennon
 
I just thread them and robogrip em in place.
I buy the phenolics with the 1/2 id ( not 5/8 ) if I can help it.
That way the A/B rings stay with 5/8 id.
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Hi Jim; a word of warning. If you press too hard, you will not have enough glue left, to do the holding that you need. End grain especially is difficult to glue. Just leave enough to do the job. Otherwise your method sounds good...JER
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I like his idea of the screw to hold your parts tight when press-fitting in place. I used to use a pipe clamp but I cringed everytime I would tighten the thing down as the cue would bow in the middle.

I would change a few things:
Make your screw and washer out of delrin. Switch the ratchet with a torgue wrench. Then you could conceivably "torque" everything consistently each and every time :)

Both above are not necessary, but if you want overkill, there you go!


Great thread by the way, nice pics!

Best~
Chris
 
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The idea may be good in theory but I think you have over engineered a very simple process. What happens to your center hole for spinning the butt or shaft once you screw the washer down? Once you start working your project off of centers on both ends you are creating more work for yourself using a technique that would destroy those centers.
I like the threaded collar technique myself but slip collars work well for the most part also. The pressure from a rubber band would be more than suffice to hold the collar in place until the glue dries and a piece of masking tape over your center hole ensures you maintain the original center hole. If everything is properly faced and square you will not have any less or more of a glue line using either technique and using just the slight pressure of the rubber should not glue starve the joint.
 
Poulos Cues said:
Dave- pm on it's way!
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Chris.........I sent only part of a reply back because the pm feature on this site will only let you write 1500 strokes.
so i broke it in half and the second half says you must clear your pms first
 
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