God Given Talent

take 2 people who have never played the game before.. EVER...

have them play a match.... the winner will have more "Talent" than the other...

to beat anyone else.. you are going to have to work at it...

Not quite. What if the winner got lucky? What if the winner won because the opponent scratched on the 8?

Isn't this why the top pros prefer longer races? So that skill can outrun luck?

But generally I agree, the person who shows more natural aptitude is the one who is more talented at that moment.

After that though it will be the one who wants it more who goes farthest.

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That is exactly my point. Everyone has a different limit on how good they can become. If you took 10 regular people and taught each one exactly the same with the same equipment and the same practice time it would look like this: 2 would be sub par and clearly below everyone else. 6 would be somewhere around the same give or take. 2 would be clearly better than the rest. There is a reason for this. Its called genetic potential. You can use this senario in most things in life. If you put in the work along with the dedication and proper training that go with it, then you will become the best that your genetic potential will allow. Period. Some people have more genetic potential than others. This is a fact that cant beat disputed.

The problem is you refuse to call this genetic potential what it is. GOD GIVEN ABILITY.

I'm an Agnostic, but it's God Given, or "Paranormal Given". There are ton's of super athletic talented...accurately hand eye coordinated....train everyday, it's my job, focused guys playing AA and AAA Baseball. BIG money in Hardball...chucking it,fielding it...or hitting it. Yet...they can't make it to the Big Leagues. Everyone has a personal ceiling.
 
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I've seen too many people with all the advantages in the world languish at a mid level ability to believe anyone can accomplish anything. They practice "properly", they work hard, they have had great teachers and great players to mentor them but yet regardless of all the effort, money and practice they don't get very far. I've seen this in pool and music. I'm not even talking about stopping short (short-stop if you will) of the best, I mean they are still an intermediate level player.

But at the same time, there is no pool gene nor is there a guitar gene or a golf gene. We're simply re-purposing natural abilities that were originally meant for hunting and gathering and any other stuff we did in prehistoric times. I don't believe talent is as rare as many would believe it to be, but its difficult to quantify I should think, as we define a talented person as someone who has already achieve some level of proficiency in their given field. And the talented people who never put in the effort tend to be passed over unnoticed unless you really put a microscope on their development. But the most talented person in the world isn't going to be the best unless they put in enough hours that would turn anyone else off from ever playing again. SVB is an excellent example I think. Regardless of your natural ability, I don't think you can put in a few hours a week of practice, play in multiple leagues and expect to reach the upper echelons competition, even just in your own city. That's where there may be some misconceptions about aptitude and talent. Someone practices thirty minutes a day or an hour twice a week and doesn't get very far, they then conclude they just don't have it. Maybe not, but you need for practice than that.

That said, I feel this is a moot discussion. It can go around in circles unless we can find some random person who's never hit a ball but wants desperately to be the best in the world.

Talented or not, I think people should be participating in their hobbies of choice not to become the very best, but because it's fun. Too many quit early on after self-diagnosing themselves as untalented, and beginners are the worst people to diagnose their own aptitude as they don't know anything about the pursuit. If we don't enjoy it, then what the hell are we doing?
 
I've seen too many people with all the advantages in the world languish at a mid level ability to believe anyone can accomplish anything. They practice "properly", they work hard, they have had great teachers and great players to mentor them but yet regardless of all the effort, money and practice they don't get very far. I've seen this in pool and music. I'm not even talking about stopping short (short-stop if you will) of the best, I mean they are still an intermediate level player.

But at the same time, there is no pool gene nor is there a guitar gene or a golf gene. We're simply re-purposing natural abilities that were originally meant for hunting and gathering and any other stuff we did in prehistoric times. I don't believe talent is as rare as many would believe it to be, but its difficult to quantify I should think, as we define a talented person as someone who has already achieve some level of proficiency in their given field. And the talented people who never put in the effort tend to be passed over unnoticed unless you really put a microscope on their development. But the most talented person in the world isn't going to be the best unless they put in enough hours that would turn anyone else off from ever playing again. SVB is an excellent example I think. Regardless of your natural ability, I don't think you can put in a few hours a week of practice, play in multiple leagues and expect to reach the upper echelons competition, even just in your own city. That's where there may be some misconceptions about aptitude and talent. Someone practices thirty minutes a day or an hour twice a week and doesn't get very far, they then conclude they just don't have it. Maybe not, but you need for practice than that.

That said, I feel this is a moot discussion. It can go around in circles unless we can find some random person who's never hit a ball but wants desperately to be the best in the world.

Talented or not, I think people should be participating in their hobbies of choice not to become the very best, but because it's fun. Too many quit early on after self-diagnosing themselves as untalented, and beginners are the worst people to diagnose their own aptitude as they don't know anything about the pursuit. If we don't enjoy it, then what the hell are we doing?


Sorry to say Cameron Smith, it is not talent or special ability, to be the best you should have nothing in life but pool. Those that tried and failed is because their obligation in life was stronger than their well, and did not allow them to reach the top, and stop just about, to turn into real life obligations, education, real work, wife/husband, kids, father, mother, sisters.
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Some people have it, that's why they are on TV.. Practice all the PRO instructional "aiming" method video's until the cows come home... it ain't gonna make a real difference. There are plenty of really good players that can take U to the woodshed rather frequently...at least where I play. It's between the ears. I don't even want to talk about 61 Rotation, played it for awhile. I got "schooled".

Lesson's aren't free...only cost my a few RED HORSE's. That's a pretty good deal...and I made a fast friend that will probably teach me a few tricks.

You make a lot of sense Mr Pangit....Not to open any old wounds (:p) but check out this recent post I made on 1P.org...;)

http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showp...2&postcount=47

I agree with JimmyB and Billy I.., OPJohn...My strict practice regimen, conisted of lagging to see where the roll-offs were, and testing the rails..(one minute, tops...strange tables only)...I doubt I have "wasted" over 2 hrs. practicing, my entire life.....If you don't know where to hit the ball, after you've hit a few million of 'em, practicing is not going to save you...Unless of course, like JoeyA and John Barton,...you are always trying to learn the latest "Aiming System", (then, practicing 'til your eye's bleed, is mandatory)..

OPJohn, my advice, is get in action, ASAP.... It's just like riding a bike...Besides, the world is supposed to end in Dec, 2012..(or more likely in November...If Obama is re-elected)...

SuperDuck <---Thinks practicing, is for "Rust Belt Lunatic's"..and other non-playing retards...Look at all the valuable drinking time you are pissing away..
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