Going to try CF, any suggestions?

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Shooter1

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OK, I'm gonna try a CF shaft. Been using wood for 53 years, first the Schon OEM's, then got a couple precat preds when they first came out and have been using the pred cat shafts now for some time.
I'd like a CF shaft that hits at least somewhat like wood meaning it doesn't have a metallic, ting or whatever when striking the CB or at least that sensation is subdued. I've been using Kamui super soft clear/blacks for some time and may step up to a medium tip of some sort.
I want to be in a mid/price range on this. Joint would be 5/16-14, prefer a pro taper. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Shooter1 said:
OK, I'm gonna try a CF shaft. Been using wood for 53 years, first the Schon OEM's, then got a couple precat preds when they first came out and have been using the pred cat shafts now for some time.
I'd like a CF shaft that hits at least somewhat like wood meaning it doesn't have a metallic, ting or whatever when striking the CB or at least that sensation is subdued. I've been using Kamui super soft clear/blacks for some time and may step up to a medium tip of some sort.
I want to be in a mid/price range on this. Joint would be 5/16-14, prefer a pro taper. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Being as there doesn't appear to be vast deflection differences between the various manufacturers, I'd be inclined to try either a Rhino Must, or a Raven Pro, and save the extra $$.
Just my opinion.
 
j2pac said:
Being as there doesn't appear to be vast deflection differences between the various manufacturers, I'd be inclined to try either a Rhino Must, or a Raven Pro, and save the extra $$.
Just my opinion.
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I've watched a number of shaft comparisons, (Dr. Dave) on video and it's interesting that many of the less expensive shafts have very similar deflection properties as the $$$ shafts. I'm all for saving some bucks on this purchase.
 
Similar deflection but probably a crappy hit. You won't give CF a chance if you hate the hit.

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I would have to say the Rhino Must. I only recommend this as the weight balance of it is substantially better, more forward, that their standard carbon shaft, and i have both. I did not like Rhino's tips though and, but replaced the tip on my Must to a very soft one, Ultraskin black pro, but after watching Dr Daves video, it explained an issue with some very soft tips on carbon shafts that I was experiencing in where at time you would get the object ball go off from what you expected. I immediately changed the tip to an ultraskin Red Med and have not got any noticeable object ball variations since. It is a very quiet shaft, with the tip I have now, and i would say deflection and aiming basically the same as my Jacoby Ultra shafts with the same 12.5 mm dia.
I did not have the best result with a Jacoby v3 carbon shaft I had. It was smooth and quiet shooting, but I was never consistent with it. One time it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread, the next time i would play with it I would have trouble making some shots that I felt i should have made. They now are on version 6, which I would assume would be better, but when you figure that the Must is a great shaft at half the price, one has to wonder. Then Dr Dave tested the standard Rhino against a Predator and the deflection was similar, and the new Must shaft is supposed to be less deflection yet, To me it's a no brainer, but consider changing their tip out, some like the tip they come with though.
I know one thing, I'm not buying anymore carbon shafts, but for the time being I'm also not shooting the Must shaft in league as I picked up another Jacoby a few months back with a Kielwood shaft and that is what i am shooting now. i did turn it down from 12.75 mm to 12.5 mm and also added about .3 oz just in front of where the butt threads stop in the shaft to more balance it out to my liking. It is a little harsher hitting shaft than my Must, but it still shoots great. I still shoot the Must in practice, and am shooting really good with it. It will probably be what I use next year for league, but there is two weeks left this year so i don't want to change this late in league.
 
Companies' carbon-fiber shafts differ.

McDermott uses a shock-absorbing material intertwined in the carbon fiber, Smacwrap, to change its hit, sound and feel from the most-metallic acting carbon fiber shafts. Proof of a sort that it did that are videos of McDermott's Defy shaft dropped on its tip on a pool table doesn’t bounce while other carbon fiber shafts do.

JFlowers’ SMO has two shock absorbers in the shaft (see figure for one of them). Who know what is in other shafts since the cuemakers won’t tell you.

Becue's advertisements sound like they are describing something that is wood and carbon fiber:
Prime II is where the feel of wood meets the performance and endurance of carbon fiber, giving players an unparalleled experience at the table. Designed to offer the best of both worlds, this shaft seamlessly blends the natural feel and flexibility of a wooden shaft with the stability and precision of a carbon fiber one.

There are shafts made of carbon fiber---but only inside---with wood outside. There might be something to this given many players’ positive responses to them. So far, wood-over-CF shafts include:
Predator Centro and C8; Mezz EX Pro; McDermott G-Core, i-Pro, i-Pro Slim, i-1 Big Boy, i-2, i-3; Pure X FUZE Kielwood Carbon Fiber InFUZED Solid Shaft; Lucasi Pro Carbon InFUZED 10S; Bear RB-1; Fury LC series, Fury ST2 Hybrid series, Fury Merlin; CueLees EX Solid (two wood types near cue tip & at joint end a sandwich of carbon fiber sitting inside and outside of hollowed-out maple), CT-1 & CT-2; OB Cues Fusion (no longer available); Predator BK3 Sport Break cue and its BK3CF shaft (not available on Predator website); Predator BK2 break shaft; JFlowers SMO-W.​
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Cuetec R360 (note its fiberglass ---not CF--- inside; Fiberglass exterior/Wood inside shafts: Cuetec Avid.​
JFlowers SMO shock absorber_close up 2.jpg
More info at https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/traditional-wood-shafts-making-comeback.575688/#post-8129724​

____________________JFlowers SMO shaft:
 
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Paul_#_ said:
Companies' carbon-fiber shafts differ.

McDermott uses a shock-absorbing material intertwined in the carbon fiber, Smacwrap, to change its hit, sound and feel from the most-metallic acting carbon fiber shafts. Proof of a sort that it did that is that the shaft dropped on its tip on a pool table doesn’t bounce while other carbon fiber shafts do.

JFlowers’ SMO has two shock absorbers in the shaft (see figure for one of them). Who know what is in other shafts since the cuemakers won’t tell you.

Becue's advertisements sound like they are describing something that is wood and carbon fiber:
Prime II is where the feel of wood meets the performance and endurance of carbon fiber, giving players an unparalleled experience at the table. Designed to offer the best of both worlds, this shaft seamlessly blends the natural feel and flexibility of a wooden shaft with the stability and precision of a carbon fiber one.

There are shafts made of carbon fiber---but only inside---with wood outside. There might be something to this given many players’ positive responses to them. So far, wood-over-CF shafts include:
Predator Centro and C8; Mezz EX Pro; McDermott G-Core, i-Pro, i-Pro Slim, i-1 Big Boy, i-2, i-3; Pure X FUZE Kielwood Carbon Fiber InFUZED Solid Shaft; Lucasi Pro Carbon InFUZED 10S; Bear RB-1; Fury LC series, Fury ST2 Hybrid series, Fury Merlin; CueLees EX Solid (combo extraordinaire with CF-only on bottom few inches and wood/CF for rest of shaft), CT-1 & CT-2; OB Cues Fusion (no longer available); Predator BK3 Sport Break cue and its BK3CF shaft (not available on Predator website); Predator BK2 break shaft; JFlowers SMO-W.​
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Cuetec R360 (note its fiberglass ---not CF--- inside; Fiberglass exterior/Wood inside shafts: Cuetec Avid.​
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JFlowers SMO shaft:
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Thanks Paul for that detailed response.
 
#1 glove is not required

#2 i had a bigger adjustment period going from a predator 1 to a predator 3 wood shaft then i had going from the 3 to a CF shaft.

#3 i am using the same Kamui tip and no ping sound. I do get a ping sound with my break shaft and it's a much harder tip.
 
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