Gold Crown II

mikemosconi said:
Classic billiard site claims that Brunswick superspeed is interchangeable with all GC1or2 tables without negative effects. They say that it is a myth that K55 cannot be used on such tables. IDK - just saying what I read today - everyone seems to have an opinion - as a guy looking now for a GC myself - I sure would like to know the reality in case I find a GC requiring new rubber.
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To be fair, I don't think I've ever played on a GC1/2 that had non factory cushions. (I def played on plenty with the factory cushions, even last year, that played awesome.)

I'm going by what I read on here over the years, and stories of belt sanding the rails to use K66, or put K55 and have the wrong size and/or wrong cushion angle, etc etc.
 
Shelfish said:
If it is truly a GCII,and the cushions are shot, would changing the bevel be as simple as running the rails through a table saw? Is there enough rail there? I mean to shave off the wood to change the angle? I did notice in the pictures the aprons look to be painted.
Thanks again,
John
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That looks like a GC1. Used commercially probably for decades since it has a #11 on it.

Yes, wood only needs to be removed to fix the bevel angle to work with the new SuperSpeeds. There are a few mechanics here that do it, they might give you the proper angles over the phone if you can reach out.

I think most of the guys might use a circular saw with a fixture that rides in the featherstrip groove, rather than a tablesaw. But I'm not certain on that. I'm not a mechanic, just a super interested in all aspects of tables player.
 
Shelfish said:
This is the table in question. https://www.facebook.com/share/1A8z9nR8cp/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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That seller doesn't know the first thing about anything pool related. His other listing has junk import cues that he thinks might be antique. It's a GC1 pool table. It was never coin operated. He must be confusing it with another table.

Go see if it its close to you. If the rails bounce good, and you like the price and condition, then it will make a great table.
 
garczar said:
huh?? its a Gold Crown. No coin-op GC's.
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Coin-op Gold Crown. 7ft, one piece slate, superspeed cushions. Originally came with a battery and sensors that detected and separated the cue ball. Never worked very well at all, but was also designed to return a oversized cue ball too so owners did that, but that sucked. Valley's magnetic cue ball system worked almost flawless and sealed Brunswicks fate in coin-op.
 

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BrownDawg said:
Coin-op Gold Crown. 7ft, one piece slate, superspeed cushions. Originally came with a battery and sensors that detected and separated the cue ball. Never worked very well at all, but was also designed to return a oversized cue ball too so owners did that, but that sucked. Valley's magnetic cue ball system worked almost flawless and sealed Brunswicks fate in coin-op.
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This table was a result of a merger/aquisition between Brunswick and a bar box company sometime decades ago. I think the Gold Crown 2000 was only around a couple of years. Its very obscure, even pool nuts rarely know about it.

I thought maybe that's what the OP was looking at when he/seller mentioned coin-op, but his pictures clearly show a "real" Gold Crown.

I guess the Gold Crown Coin has a similar story in recent years. Made with a partnership with Global, but only a handful were ever made and installed in the past few years.
 
Shelfish said:
Good work Joshua, it was a formully a coin base. But,are you dating that based on commercial use and play?
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I don't see anything in the posted video that shows it ever had a coin mechanism, and I don't know if adding one is even possible. It clearly had some commercial use, but it is now pictured in a home. If you're a good enough mechanic on your own and the slates are still good, it might make a good project. Less risk holding out for a GC IV, depending on your budget.
 
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Shelfish said:
Good work Joshua, it was a formully a coin base. But,are you dating that based on commercial use and play?
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again, wtf??? every pic you've shown is of Gold Crown, not a coin op. Its not on a 'coin op base'. do you know anything about these? doesn't sound like it.
 
BrownDawg said:
Coin-op Gold Crown. 7ft, one piece slate, superspeed cushions. Originally came with a battery and sensors that detected and separated the cue ball. Never worked very well at all, but was also designed to return a oversized cue ball too so owners did that, but that sucked. Valley's magnetic cue ball system worked almost flawless and sealed Brunswicks fate in coin-op.
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Brunswick owned Valley for a while. This is a Valley/Dynamo barbox, NOT a Gold Crown. I don't care what they call that its not a real Gold Crown. Has nothing to do with what the op is trying to buy.
 
Shelfish said:
Are you dating that this table is not a Gold Crown?
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This table is a gold crown I from what others are saying that know their stuff. It was never a coin op and nowhere I the pictures you have hint at it being a coin op.

If the seller says otherwise, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
 
for the vast majority it isnt too smart to get a table needing reconditioning as there arent many that can do the total job. and it will bring your cost much closer to just buying new.
 
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