Golf vs. Pool - Revisited

A 12 handicapp is better than a high "c" for sure. Even though technology is much better these days, and there is a ton of instructional material out, your average golfer shoots about the same today as he did 20 years ago. I think 97-100 or something close to that for a par 72 course. Most golfers play pretty bad. Of course, if its like pool, they probably have more fun than the good players because of lower expectations.

Having said that, there are also a ton of great players running around. Check out the scores on what used to be the Nike tour (I forget what they call it now). 100 people you never heard of shooting in the 60's from the back tees.

I can't even dream of pool being so popular that there is a televised tourney every week with a 800k to 900k first prize. 16th-20th place in last weeks golf tourney paid about 6-7x as much as WINNING the Reno pro pool event.
 
Similarities:

Golf: To play, you must pay a green fee
Pool: To play, you must pay a green fee

Golf: Use a stick to hit a ball
Pool: Use a stick to hit a ball

Golf: Good sticks (clubs) are expensive as hell
Pool: Good sticks (cues) are expensive as hell

Golf: Try to put a ball in a hole
Pool: Try to put a ball in a hole




Differences:

Golf: Walk anywhere from 50 to 350 yards after you hit the ball.
Pool: Walk anywhere from 1 to 9 feet after you hit the ball.

Golf: You can use a golf cart.
Pool: Cart, we don't need no stinking cart... lazy ass, you're only walking 9 feet!

Golf: The heat is unbearable and you can't make it cooler.
Pool: If it gets too hot, slip the bartender a $10 bill to turn down the thermostat.

Golf: Can't play in thunderstorms... or rain, or snow, or ice storms...
Pool: Weather doesn't make any difference. I've never heard of a poolplayer getting struck by lightening during play.

Golf: Ball expense can get out of hand, especially if you're a double digit handicap or raw beginner.
Pool: I've never lost a cue ball

Golf: It's hot outside
Pool: Never heard of a poolplayer passing away from a heat stroke during play... Skin cancer rates MUST be much lower, unless some researcher discovers that fluorescent lighting causes cancer.

Golf: Less shots equals better play.
Pool: MORE shots equals better play.

Years ago, I thought about all of these things, and decided that basically, golf and pool are the same game. the big difference are to do with COMFORT. So, I sold the Pings, took the money and lost it in a set of one pocket!
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
Most Pool I have seen is played INDOORS in a Cool place, Try Golf in PHX during Summer when it hits 117-122 DEGREES :D

I have. But Phx is still a great place. I understand that the jets do not take off when it hits 120 deg in PHX because there is limited lift.
 
fxskater said:
I'm gonna disagree here. I have played pool for around 3 years, and golf maybe 5-10 times before last year, when i got a membership at a shitty little par 3 course. I golfed a ton last year, and now bet small $$$'s with my terrible swing against people that have been golfing for years. I can consistently take money at golf, even though my handicap is somewhere between 14-18, spotting people fairly big spots. I honestly in the last year have not played golf with 1 person that i would not gamble with. QUOTE]


If you feel that way, you got action. Play it as it lies and put everything out and we'll see how many times you get the money...Golf takes so much more coordination, and if you hit a bad shot in pool you might get lucky and hook your opponent in golf the course is your opponent and there's no forgiveness. As to someones comment about 100 ball runners in your town. Serious golfers outweigh serious pool players probably about 10 to 1 or more so your analogy is way off base...
 
fxskater said:
I'm gonna disagree here. I have played pool for around 3 years, and golf maybe 5-10 times before last year, when i got a membership at a shitty little par 3 course. I golfed a ton last year, and now bet small $$$'s with my terrible swing against people that have been golfing for years. I can consistently take money at golf, even though my handicap is somewhere between 14-18, spotting people fairly big spots. I honestly in the last year have not played golf with 1 person that i would not gamble with. I have played about 10 guys in the last year at POOL that i KNOW i could not gamble with. Golf is harder if you consider PAR, average. Golf is easier, if you put your mind to it, and forget about par, judge yourself against other golfers. Also, for me, golf is entirely mental. You have to KNOW and VISUALIZE every shot and be 100% confident no matter how tough it seems. The reason people suck at golf is that a tough shot comes up, they decide to play it wrong, hit it bad, get frustrated, rinse, repeat. I bet most lousy golfers could take 5-10 strokes off there game by shipping the ball 10 yards in the right direction, every time they got in trouble, instead of attempting impossible shots, and hitting it further into the cabbage. Also, golf gives you the opportunity to see your opponents mistakes before you make the same one. Allowing you to choose the right times to be aggressive or layup. I dunno if maybe its just easier to gamble at, or if its easier all together, but i make more money gambling at golf than gambling at pool, with way less effort and time spent.
You couldn't be more wrong in your conclusions. The statement I highlighted is the epitomy of your mis-logic. If you could move the cue ball every time you got bad shape (like you suggest doing with the golf ball), how much would your game improve? My pool game would improve much more than my golf game. Look at it this way..... play a round of golf where you get to place your golf ball for every shot (hell tee it up for every shot, if that helps!). Tell me what you shoot. Play 10 racks of 9-ball, where you get to place your cue ball wherever you want on every shot. How many racks did you run. My money is on more racks of pool run than a golf score close to par.

Golf has way more variables; just one of which is to swing the clubhead at 100+ mph to strike miniscule spot on the golf ball. Even if you say that the margin of error is similar (miss your aim spot on the cue ball vs on the golf ball), the end result is magnified exponentially on the golf ball.

No contest - golf is harder.
 
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ScottR said:
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No contest - golf is harder.

In golf, there is only one* ball. Hit it forward...boring!

Pool has many balls. Hit the white one into another one and magic happens....exciting!

Jeff Livingston

*Not counting all the balls left in the water or OB. :eek:
 
Jimmy M. said:
Warning: Moderate profanity appears in this post.


I'd like to officially change my position on which game is more difficult. Golf is the most god-damned difficult game I've ever played.


Told ya so! Not even close is it?


Golf, the only game that you can make the perfect shot (hole in one) and it still counts against ya.
 
chefjeff said:
In golf, there is only one* ball. Hit it forward...boring!

Pool has many balls. Hit the white one into another one and magic happens....exciting!

Jeff Livingston

*Not counting all the balls left in the water or OB. :eek:
So which one is harder in your opinion???
 
TommyT said:
Compare the amount of 100 ball runners in your city to the scratch golfers. You'll know what the difficult game is.
TommyT

Compare the # of people trying to play scratch golf, and the # of people trying to run 100 balls that will prove that your argument is pointless. No Offence meant to you, but there are about 100 people in each large city trying to run 100 balls at straight pool and about 50,000 that are trying to play scratch golf. These are rough estimations and probably way way off, but i think i made my point.
 
chefjeff said:
In golf, there is only one* ball. Hit it forward...boring!

Pool has many balls. Hit the white one into another one and magic happens....exciting!

Jeff Livingston

*Not counting all the balls left in the water or OB. :eek:


So…. I take it you have not had the opportunity to read the slope of a green from 100 yards out and hit a precisely placed wedge shot past the pin, have it check once and spin back 10-15 feet stopping right next to the hole.....or hit a low punch wedge into a green that hits, skips once and stops dead on a dime right next to a hole......or hit that purely struck 5 iron 190 over water that rises like a jet on take off and then when it reaches its apex, floats like it a has a parachute back down to the green and sits right next to the pin.....

Pool and Golf are very similar in that the better you get....the more exciting the game becomes......People that don't know how to play pool (as good as yourself) might make the same mistake your making knocking the game of Golf...

They both can be very boring and very exciting....Some golfers play 18 holes of golf and take 90+ strokes just so they can hit that "one" magic shot...but that one shot is what keeps them coming back......Just like some pool players keep playing rack after rack....just so they can break and run that "one" rack....That is what keeps them coming back... JMO
 
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ScottR said:
You couldn't be more wrong in your conclusions. The statement I highlighted is the epitomy of your mis-logic. If you could move the cue ball every time you got bad shape (like you suggest doing with the golf ball), how much would your game improve? My pool game would improve much more than my golf game. Look at it this way..... play a round of golf where you get to place your golf ball for every shot (hell tee it up for every shot, if that helps!). Tell me what you shoot. Play 10 racks of 9-ball, where you get to place your cue ball wherever you want on every shot. How many racks did you run. My money is on more racks of pool run than a golf score close to par.

Golf has way more variables; just one of which is to swing the clubhead at 100+ mph to strike miniscule spot on the golf ball. Even if you say that the margin of error is similar (miss your aim spot on the cue ball vs on the golf ball), the end result is magnified exponentially on the golf ball.

No contest - golf is harder.

Your dead wrong here. Give me a tee every time and i can guarantee you I'll shoot under 80 just about every time. Thats my game though, i may be wrong for other players. Some people chip well, some people drive well, some people putt well. For me, I can drive between 250-290 every single time, and generally keep it in the fairway. My main problem is hitting long 180-220 yard approaches. You give me a tee from that distance and I'll put it on the green. A 220 yard 3 iron is 10x easier for me off the tee. I am not making a comparison to pool here. All i am saying is that if you had a 180 yard approach from the deep rough, 90% of the lousy golfers out there are going to try and hit a long iron, catch the hosel, twist the club, and hit a worm burner right, left, who know maybe in the fairway. Hell, even if they manage to catch it fairly clean and get it near the green you are generally still gonna mishit it enough to be in the rough near the green. I dunno about you, but I don't play those shots that well. Saying chipping 10-20 yards was an error though. If they pulled out thier pitching wedge, chipped to 100 yards, then made an accurate approach from there you would start seeing better scores. As an example ill tell you a little story: A friend and I were gambling for $1 a hole like we always do (i keep the betting low with good friends). Anyways, he hits it a little longer than i do, so after 2 shots on a par 5 i was 100 yards out and he was about 20 yards out. He was laughing it up and bragging about his shot, so i told him, i like my position better than his. He laughed at me and called bullshit. I said lets add $5 to this hole. He agrees. I make my shot from 100 yards and land it about 8 feet away stopping dead. He hits his 20 yard shot, lands it in front of the pin and rolls it 20 feet past. I one putt, he 2 putts, i win. That is not an exact example of chipping for better position rather than attempting a difficult long shot, but being a 100 yards out for birdy on a par 4 after chipping out is not the worst position to be in. Seriously, i don't know how well you play golf, but most people fail at the game trying to hit tough to impossible shots, over and over, instead of chipping out. This strategy may not work for everyone, but it works for me. You ever score a 10 on a hole? Do you remember why? IT is generally that 1 bad shot you hit followed by 3 others, when you could have made a 50-100 yard chip and hit the green next shot. I'm not saying never hit a shot from the rough, but when you get a deep lie or you hampered by branches, or generally in a very tough position, chipping out is the way to go. Playing skins games, this is not always the case, but in stroke play, it almost always is.

I agree that gold is harder, as far as swing mechanics, and all that other stuff, but i bet that if i put more time on the golf course than on the pool table i would see results much much faster.

Also think about this. In the pool stroke, if you have any deficiency, even if your a good player, trying to fix your stroke is a matter of changing things a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit, to just get a slightly better stroke. In golf, if you have a bad swing, there are so many more different things you can do to improve it. With enough time on the driving range, you can figure out, how to not come over the top, or how not to turn your shoulders early, or move your feet a little here a little there, and get things worked out in a fairly short period of time, to wear you can be shooting under 90. The way i look at it is this. If you took 100 people that have never picked up a club, and gave them 100 hours of training each, it would be easier to get to the top 5% of that group for me, than 100 people that have never picked up a pool cue, and given 100 hours of training.

honestly, if golf didnt cost so much money, it would be easier for me to get good at then pool.

Another way to look at it is this. In golf you can try and hit the ball with all your might and you might miscue and hit the ball 50 yards away from where you were aiming, but you still have a shot, still have a chance at par, and if not its just a bogey anyways. In pool, if you miss shape by an inch, you could be hooked, you could have a difficult angle, it could screw you up 3 shots later. You generally have to be MORE PERFECT in pool.
 
BRKNRUN said:
So…. I take it you have not had the opportunity to read the slope of a green from 100 yards out and hit a precisely placed wedge shot past the pin, have it check once and spin back 10-15 feet stopping right next to the hole.....or hit a low punch wedge into a green that hits, skips once and stops dead on a dime right next to a hole......or hit that purely struck 5 iron 190 over water that rises like a jet on take off and then when it reaches its apex, floats like it a has a parachute back down to the green and sits right next to the pin.....

Pool and Golf are very similar in that the better you get....the more exciting the game becomes......People that don't know how to play pool (as good as yourself) might make the same mistake your making knocking the game of Golf...

They both can be very boring and very exciting....Some golfers play 18 holes of golf and take 90+ strokes just so they can hit that "one" magic shot...but that one shot is what keeps them coming back......Just like some pool players keep playing rack after rack....just so they can break and run that "one" rack....That is what keeps them coming back... JMO

Awsome post brknrun awsome! You realy captured the 'alure' for me with your description of the 5 iron shot, and and the others. I'm a golfer too and i can tell u Golf is tuff. But like the old saying goes...if it were easy it wouldn't be any fun.

And when you make those majical shots? Your hooked into the universe baby, it's the best buzz there is. St.
 
Pool is simple compared to Golf relatively speaking. You don't find your c/b in 6" or more of rough or under a bush, then have to float it on the green to have a reasonable chance at a birdie, par or even worst. LOL

I once had a 7 handicap (very short lived) my average floated between 9 to 10. Now that isn't even imaginable, ha ha ha, I got smart and sold my clubs two years ago. I still have my Ping putter and 60 degree wedge though, you never know. :D I feel everyones pain playing golf. Ah, but how sweet it is to nail it on the screws and watch it stop near the pin! Oh, forgot no more screws. LOL

Rod
 
fxskater said:
Your dead wrong here. Give me a tee every time and i can guarantee you I'll shoot under 80 just about every time. Thats my game though, i may be wrong for other players. Some people chip well, some people drive well, some people putt well. For me, I can drive between 250-290 every single time, and generally keep it in the fairway. My main problem is hitting long 180-220 yard approaches. You give me a tee from that distance and I'll put it on the green. A 220 yard 3 iron is 10x easier for me off the tee. I am not making a comparison to pool here. All i am saying is that if you had a 180 yard approach from the deep rough, 90% of the lousy golfers out there are going to try and hit a long iron, catch the hosel, twist the club, and hit a worm burner right, left, who know maybe in the fairway. Hell, even if they manage to catch it fairly clean and get it near the green you are generally still gonna mishit it enough to be in the rough near the green. I dunno about you, but I don't play those shots that well. Saying chipping 10-20 yards was an error though. If they pulled out thier pitching wedge, chipped to 100 yards, then made an accurate approach from there you would start seeing better scores. As an example ill tell you a little story: A friend and I were gambling for $1 a hole like we always do (i keep the betting low with good friends). Anyways, he hits it a little longer than i do, so after 2 shots on a par 5 i was 100 yards out and he was about 20 yards out. He was laughing it up and bragging about his shot, so i told him, i like my position better than his. He laughed at me and called bullshit. I said lets add $5 to this hole. He agrees. I make my shot from 100 yards and land it about 8 feet away stopping dead. He hits his 20 yard shot, lands it in front of the pin and rolls it 20 feet past. I one putt, he 2 putts, i win. That is not an exact example of chipping for better position rather than attempting a difficult long shot, but being a 100 yards out for birdy on a par 4 after chipping out is not the worst position to be in. Seriously, i don't know how well you play golf, but most people fail at the game trying to hit tough to impossible shots, over and over, instead of chipping out. This strategy may not work for everyone, but it works for me. You ever score a 10 on a hole? Do you remember why? IT is generally that 1 bad shot you hit followed by 3 others, when you could have made a 50-100 yard chip and hit the green next shot. I'm not saying never hit a shot from the rough, but when you get a deep lie or you hampered by branches, or generally in a very tough position, chipping out is the way to go. Playing skins games, this is not always the case, but in stroke play, it almost always is.

I agree that gold is harder, as far as swing mechanics, and all that other stuff, but i bet that if i put more time on the golf course than on the pool table i would see results much much faster.

Also think about this. In the pool stroke, if you have any deficiency, even if your a good player, trying to fix your stroke is a matter of changing things a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit, to just get a slightly better stroke. In golf, if you have a bad swing, there are so many more different things you can do to improve it. With enough time on the driving range, you can figure out, how to not come over the top, or how not to turn your shoulders early, or move your feet a little here a little there, and get things worked out in a fairly short period of time, to wear you can be shooting under 90. The way i look at it is this. If you took 100 people that have never picked up a club, and gave them 100 hours of training each, it would be easier to get to the top 5% of that group for me, than 100 people that have never picked up a pool cue, and given 100 hours of training.

honestly, if golf didnt cost so much money, it would be easier for me to get good at then pool.

Another way to look at it is this. In golf you can try and hit the ball with all your might and you might miscue and hit the ball 50 yards away from where you were aiming, but you still have a shot, still have a chance at par, and if not its just a bogey anyways. In pool, if you miss shape by an inch, you could be hooked, you could have a difficult angle, it could screw you up 3 shots later. You generally have to be MORE PERFECT in pool.

It seems like your comparing consistently shooting in the 80's to consistently
running a rack of 9-ball....If true, I think your observation is off a little...

Golf gets progressively harder as you get closer to par...If you have never shot in the 70's and or shot under par, you really have no idea just how "perfect" you do need to be for 18 holes....

I think you will find that most really good golfers are "perfectionists"...(even if they won't admit to it) ....I think the same goes for top pool players...

If your missing your mark by 50 yards....(even 50 feet)....I think you will be very lucky to ever shoot in the 70's....JMO
 
fxskater said:
Compare the # of people trying to play scratch golf, and the # of people trying to run 100 balls that will prove that your argument is pointless. No Offence meant to you, but there are about 100 people in each large city trying to run 100 balls at straight pool and about 50,000 that are trying to play scratch golf. These are rough estimations and probably way way off, but i think i made my point.
As you say "no offense", but I don't get your point. What does the number of people trying to achieve a goal have to do with how hard it is? It's more a factor of the popularity of the game than its difficulty.

As for your other post . . . . . whether you can consistently shoot under 80 is not the point (although I'd have to call bullshit until I see it, for two reasons:
the % of golfers who can legitimately break 80 (USGA handicap index of roughly 6.0 or less), playing by ALL the rules, is well under 2% of all golfers; and you said you play on a "shitty little par 3 course" and THAT ain't golf).

The point of this thread is how hard are the two games to master. Golf has many more challenges to master. Remember, we are talking about the population in general, NOT whether you can master one over the other.
 
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I should mention another reason i think fast improvement can be made in golf.

I started last year shooting about 80-84 on a par 59 executive course that i was a member at. Don't make fun of me, i wish i could afford more. Anyways i finished the year, NEVER shooting above 65. On a championship course, i have played 5 times this year never shooting over 45 on 9 (3 of 5 times were 9 holes championship length par 35 or 36) and never over 90 on the 2 18 hole courses. If i had a chance to play 3 times a week on a championship course, i believe my handicap would be less than 10 maybe even less than 8. Looking at my scorecard RIGHT NOW from that VERY VERY tough course here is my score:
Hole:___1__2__3__4__5__6__7__8__9_Front_10_11_12_13_14_15_16_17_18_back_total
Par:___5__4__3__4__4__5__4__4__3___36___4__4__5__4__3__4__3__4__8___36___72
Score:__9__6__3__5__4__5__6__5__3__46___4__6__5__4__3__5__5__3__8___43___89
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I'm Not bragging here either. I am proud of this score on this course, but there are a tonne of good golfers on here that could do better. What i am trying to say is, this is the 2nd championship course i played this year, it is very difficult, and i only played maybe 8-10 championship rounds in my life. I believe i could bring this score down a fair amount, maybe 8-10 strokes throughout an entire year of playing 2 times a week. I play pool way more than 3 times a week, yet i still can't break a 3 racks run barrier. I add about 1 rack a year to my high run, which i feel is slower improvement than what i would improve with the same time spent on the golf course. In my first year of pool I ran 1 rack in a row, in my second year 2 in a row, and in my 3rd 3 in a row (although it wasnt clean, i combo'd, but i will repeat soon enough).
 
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BRKNRUN said:
It seems like your comparing consistently shooting in the 80's to consistently
running a rack of 9-ball....If true, I think your observation is off a little...

Golf gets progressively harder as you get closer to par...If you have never shot in the 70's and or shot under par, you really have no idea just how "perfect" you do need to be for 18 holes....

I think you will find that most really good golfers are "perfectionists"...(even if they won't admit to it) ....I think the same goes for top pool players...

If your missing your mark by 50 yards....(even 50 feet)....I think you will be very lucky to ever shoot in the 70's....JMO

True enough. But i consider shooting in the 70's an A player, a B player in the 80's, and a C player in the 90's. I would consider my self a low B player, and i dont often miss the mark by that much, maybe once or twice a round, again it was just an example. The reason i feel i shoot in the 80's right now is my short game. 50 yards and in is hell for me, especially since my highest lofted club right now is a 46 degree pitching wedge. So just 10 yards off the green with say 20 feet of green between me and the pin is more hellish than 100 yards out in the fairway. I can have some pretty bad days on the greens too. I am a high B (not gonna debate being an A in this thread) in pool after 3 years and a low B in Golf after 1 year and only 8-10 championship courses.
 
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To me ...

The nature of the beast, as they say,

The allure to be drawn to Pool happens much
more frequently than in Golf. Pool offers more
conveniences while playing than Golf (indoors,
bathrooms, cost less, drinks, food, able to
socialize with larger group of people, can
actually 'see' if an opponent is cheating you,
isn't as tiring, able to continue longer with the
sport as you age)

Plus, I have known quite a few Pool Players that
like Golf as well, and if they play too much Golf,
somehow it seems to throw their Pool game off.
 
This may be a pointless argument with no correct answer. So lets all use the same rating system and see what we come up with.
Racks Run vs Total Score in golf.

i Figure break and run 1 rack is like shooting a 90 in golf, borderline for a C player, it almost never happens.

2 break and runs would be like shooting a 78-82, doesnt happen that often for B players, but still frequent enough to be comfortable with your ability.

3 break and runs maybe a 76 - 78. Fairly rare for a B player, but it can happen. An A player does this fairly frequent.

4 racks runs equals maybe a 72-76 Just about ZERO B players hit this mark, and its a Good DAY for an A-A+ player.

5 break and runs would be like a 70-72, very tough even for an A or A+ player

6 break and runs 66-70 Most A players will never achieve this, and its VERY VERY difficult and may never even happen for A+ players as well.

Who else wants to try this comparison.
 
TommyT said:
Compare the amount of 100 ball runners in your city to the scratch golfers. You'll know what the difficult game is.
TommyT

Dude...hate to tell you this but there are no 100 ball runners anywhere, because no one plays that game anymore. If you said that in the 50's when even tv wasn't in use and people lead boring lives, then you had lots of 100 ball runners! ;-) Bob
 
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