grc i want my Money

could be a problem but i wouldnt log on if i ripped someone off either.

sorry chris hope is works out

not logging on is not an excuse. you can read every thread not logged on


he could already have another user name

most scum bags do ala bark
 
i'm slow to pay sometimes-i'm the first to admit that, it takes 2 weeks sometimes cause i forget etc. But I awalys pay, i hope this is the case here.
 
Snaps my friend just linked me to this. I appreciate everyone's giving me the benefit of the doubt. So to clear up everything I'll explain the situation.

1) So I sold this cue to SwissChris, he didn't like it and sent it back. No problem
2) I get the tracking number and follow it. It "arrives" at my place and I don't see it anywhere.
3) SC and I talk and he sends me documentation about the shipment from the shipping company.
4) I talk to my apartment office and neighbors about the package with nothing.
5) At this point I'm thinking I was out when it got left and someone else just picked it up from the front of my house.
6) So I tell SC that I will go to the police and get some sort of investigation going.
7) I'm in the middle of that and I guess this popped up.
8) Finally, I haven't been on the forums due to my need to save money, and when I see titlists and all these sweet cues popping up, I tend to mismanage that scrilla.

So in all, that's the current situation, I'm not trying to scam anyone and I along with Swiss Chris am out a cue/money.

So would this best be solved by me sending him back the 500 and dealing with the shipping deal myself? Should we split the 500 until the investigation finds some sort of solution?

Hopefully, my logic isn't misguided. Thanks again for everyone's faith in me.
 
grc said:
Snaps my friend just linked me to this. I appreciate everyone's giving me the benefit of the doubt. So to clear up everything I'll explain the situation.

1) So I sold this cue to SwissChris, he didn't like it and sent it back. No problem
2) I get the tracking number and follow it. It "arrives" at my place and I don't see it anywhere.
3) SC and I talk and he sends me documentation about the shipment from the shipping company.
4) I talk to my apartment office and neighbors about the package with nothing.
5) At this point I'm thinking I was out when it got left and someone else just picked it up from the front of my house.
6) So I tell SC that I will go to the police and get some sort of investigation going.
7) I'm in the middle of that and I guess this popped up.
8) Finally, I haven't been on the forums due to my need to save money, and when I see titlists and all these sweet cues popping up, I tend to mismanage that scrilla.

So in all, that's the current situation, I'm not trying to scam anyone and I along with Swiss Chris am out a cue/money.

So would this best be solved by me sending him back the 500 and dealing with the shipping deal myself? Should we split the 500 until the investigation finds some sort of solution?

Hopefully, my logic isn't misguided. Thanks again for everyone's faith in me.
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Sorry dudes, sounds like something you two have to figure out. He might have had signature required and that might have resolved this issue. But in the end he did ship the cue and you dont have it. good luck to both of you.
 
Chris sent you the cue back. You both have proof it was delivered. Whatever happened to it after it was delivered is not Chris' problem, it is your problem alone. You owe him his money back. It really is that simple.
 
beetle said:
Chris sent you the cue back. You both have proof it was delivered. Whatever happened to it after it was delivered is not Chris' problem, it is your problem alone. You owe him his money back. It really is that simple.
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That's the way I see things as well.
 
grc said:
Snaps my friend just linked me to this. I appreciate everyone's giving me the benefit of the doubt. So to clear up everything I'll explain the situation.

1) So I sold this cue to SwissChris, he didn't like it and sent it back. No problem
2) I get the tracking number and follow it. It "arrives" at my place and I don't see it anywhere.
3) SC and I talk and he sends me documentation about the shipment from the shipping company.
4) I talk to my apartment office and neighbors about the package with nothing.
5) At this point I'm thinking I was out when it got left and someone else just picked it up from the front of my house.
6) So I tell SC that I will go to the police and get some sort of investigation going.
7) I'm in the middle of that and I guess this popped up.
8) Finally, I haven't been on the forums due to my need to save money, and when I see titlists and all these sweet cues popping up, I tend to mismanage that scrilla.

So in all, that's the current situation, I'm not trying to scam anyone and I along with Swiss Chris am out a cue/money.

So would this best be solved by me sending him back the 500 and dealing with the shipping deal myself? Should we split the 500 until the investigation finds some sort of solution?

Hopefully, my logic isn't misguided. Thanks again for everyone's faith in me.
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Did he insure the cue? or is it a case of the package shows delivered so there's no chance the post office will pay insurance because they came through on their part of delivering?

Chris should have added signature confirmation. With all that's coming about now with buying/selling and the scams with dishonest people. Signature confirmation should be mandatory in my opinion.

Chris should have also mentioned the situation when making this thread because he made it out to sound like you bought a cue from him and aired him.

You're in an unfortunate spot here GRC, and I think you're about to catch a long line of drilling on top of it about paying Chris.

Just offering my worthless opinion.
 
right, because people dont ship empty boxes etc all the time....geez..

dont be so gullible. the matter is settled when the shipping company completes its investigation and issues a check for 500.


beetle said:
Chris sent you the cue back. You both have proof it was delivered. Whatever happened to it after it was delivered is not Chris' problem, it is your problem alone. You owe him his money back. It really is that simple.
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In my world, people don't ship empty boxes, so you're right, I would never have thought of that plausible scenario.

So, if it's never found, let's just assume it was an empty box that Chris sent.

Likewise, people don't "lose" items in the mail that they actually received, and file claims on them? That would never happen would it?

jcrack_corn said:
right, because people dont ship empty boxes etc all the time....geez..

dont be so gullible. the matter is settled when the shipping company completes its investigation and issues a check for 500.
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beetle said:
Chris sent you the cue back. You both have proof it was delivered. Whatever happened to it after it was delivered is not Chris' problem, it is your problem alone. You owe him his money back. It really is that simple.
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if he did not sign for it then it hasnt been delivered to him. and until it has been delivered to him and he receives the cue back, he has enough reason to not issue a refund. obviously this is an unfortunate situation as the cue is now missing but grc shouldnt have to shoulder the burden of being out of the cue and 500 dollars if he never received the cue back.

its like if u bought a cue from me and i shipped it in an insecure way so that the cue can easily be stolen. it turns out someone steals it from your porch after it was delivered but based on your logic that would be your problem and not mine even tho its my fault for not shipping it with signature required.
 
beetle said:
In my world, people don't ship empty boxes, so you're right, I would never have thought of that plausible scenario.

So, if it's never found, let's just assume it was an empty box that Chris sent.

Likewise, people don't "lose" items in the mail that they actually received, and file claims on them? That would never happen would it?
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he never filed a claim on it. he said he went to the police to see if he can get more info. also, he didnt lose the item. he never got it. just because it says the package was delivered doesnt mean it actually has been. mailmen misdeliver to the wrong address all the time as has happened to some of my packages. it shows up on tracking as delivered but someone else down the street ends up with it in their mailbox.
 
ditto

beetle said:
Chris sent you the cue back. You both have proof it was delivered. Whatever happened to it after it was delivered is not Chris' problem, it is your problem alone. You owe him his money back. It really is that simple.
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HAVE TO AGREE, PAY UP---AND THEN LOVE THY NEIGHBOR!!!:angry: :) :D :p :embarrassed2:
 
oh just to clear that up too. there was a signature confirmation. I saw the papers and theyre illegible and don't conincide with my own or anyone I know or the office people. Chris mentioned that it may be sent to a different address such as West this street vs East that street but i looked into that with no avail.
 
grc said:
Snaps my friend just linked me to this. I appreciate everyone's giving me the benefit of the doubt. So to clear up everything I'll explain the situation.

1) So I sold this cue to SwissChris, he didn't like it and sent it back. No problem
2) I get the tracking number and follow it. It "arrives" at my place and I don't see it anywhere.
3) SC and I talk and he sends me documentation about the shipment from the shipping company.
4) I talk to my apartment office and neighbors about the package with nothing.
5) At this point I'm thinking I was out when it got left and someone else just picked it up from the front of my house.
6) So I tell SC that I will go to the police and get some sort of investigation going.
7) I'm in the middle of that and I guess this popped up.
8) Finally, I haven't been on the forums due to my need to save money, and when I see titlists and all these sweet cues popping up, I tend to mismanage that scrilla.

So in all, that's the current situation, I'm not trying to scam anyone and I along with Swiss Chris am out a cue/money.

So would this best be solved by me sending him back the 500 and dealing with the shipping deal myself? Should we split the 500 until the investigation finds some sort of solution?

Hopefully, my logic isn't misguided. Thanks again for everyone's faith in me.
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You cannot deal with the shippers loss claim. The one who ships the item has to make the claim. Hey guys always ship cues signature required. If you do your chance of collecting if lost goes way up. If it was sent without signature required your chances of collecting on a claim are pretty low.
So who is at fault here? Who should pay the $500? Those are hard questions. I ate a cue once over a situation like this. Even though the other guy had given me the wrong ship to address. His paypal account had his old address on it. UPS just dropped it off on Halloween Day of all the bad luck and some trick or treater probably got the cue. If it had been any other day no one would have found the cue between the screen door and the front door. I rarely have problems with my cuemaker customers. But when it comes to shipping cues, what ever can go wrong just might go wrong. So always ship signature required, or UPS will probably not pay. Postal service will not pay unless it requires a signature. The post office left one in my mail box. It got stolen and I never got paid.
 
Okay. Here is how I feel after reading the last post. I had not read the whole thread before I posted my last one. Since it was sent signature required and it did not go to GRC. The sender is the one who has to make the claim. And the sender is the one who gets paid when the claim gets paid. So at this point the sender needs to file a claim and GRC should not be held liable for this at all. GRC got paid for the cue and never got the cue back. So at this point it appears that the shipping company owes the sender the insured amount. Will they pay? Who knows?
 
grc said:
oh just to clear that up too. there was a signature confirmation. I saw the papers and theyre illegible and don't conincide with my own or anyone I know or the office people. Chris mentioned that it may be sent to a different address such as West this street vs East that street but i looked into that with no avail.
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Signature required was applied to the package and someone you don't know signed for it.

What did the local authorities say when you presented them with the signature? They should have been able to do a name check right then and there.

They should make it mandatory to show an ID when signing for something.
 
Befor I had a po box I had all my stuff sent to the UPS stroe by my house there was no way I was going to have my cues or Justis case just show up on my front step. UPS wont give you a time, and I cant just sit around all day waiting, then it shows up the next day.

That whole deal sounds like its going to suck for both people unless the cue shows up, wich I dont think is happening.
 
who the hell was the shipping co they know were the cue was signed for, this story is sounding alittle goofy to me, its not brain surgery to find out the door step the cue was signed for on....
 
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