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naji said:
What is good stroke objective?? Is to deliver the cue not the cb to the correct approach angle and line of aim and correct contact tip at cb , what happens fraction of a second after that do not matter. If one does not prep his warm up stroke correctly and get muscels used to the shot ( storing in memory direction of stroke for each shot), he or she will have hard time making balls.
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Everybody has made so many good points and talk about very important aspects of delivering a "precise" hit of the CB with the tip of the cue. It's the precision and speed of the hit to the CB that creates the spin. Everything else is in support of this precise hit. So I agree with Naji All the practice we do is to discover our optimum with the traits we bring to the table. Without good mechanics we cannot obtain the optimum or control the amount of spin desired for a particular shot.

Anyway, that's my $.02.

Al
 
Neil said:
. . . they still believe absolutely backwards like you do. And with no evidence of their belief other than "I think this is what happens".
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A phrase that neatly sums up all the religions of the world.

(Off-topic, I know. Couldn't resist.)

Arnaldo
 
8ballEinstein said:
A lot of great replies (and some not so great). The best one, IMO, was the first.



I don't blame him for initially being short and to the point because a lot of factors are involved.

I've read several posts from Masayosi, and even played him once. Listen to him. This man has learned his lessons well.
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Thanks! Where did we play?
 
TheThaiger said:
Why is the system of follow-through virtually numero uno on the list of priorities for EVERY SINGLE snooker coach on planet earth?

Dey all wrong, yeah?
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It's not that they are wrong per say, it's that they aren't addressing the real problem or the reason for follow through.

Follow through is just the by product of having a proper stroke. That is, one striking through the cb, not just hitting the cb. When you strike through the cb, you are not decelerating on the way to the cb. Thereby, you are striking it at the planned speed.

Also, a long follow through can aid steering the cue down the correct line when your alignment is off to start with.

Essentially, a longer follow through is nothing more than a band-aid instead of a fix of a fundamental problem. It's much better to fix the problem than cover it up. Cover-ups are not always reliable.
 
Neil said:
Amazing and sad that know matter how many times some are told the truth, shown videos of the science of a stroke, have a stroke broken down and explained to them, they still believe absolutely backwards like you do. And with no evidence of their belief other than "I think this is what happens".

Please explain how I can stop someones stroke 1/8"-1/4" (total distance tip is in contact with the ball) after impact and have ZERO effect on the outcome of the shot if it is all in the followthrough.
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Im not sure I understand what you are saying. If you stop abruptly it will cause you to loose accuracy in terms of where you intended to contact the cb.
 
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3andstop said:
Im not sure I understand what you are saying. If you stop abruptly it will cause you to loose accuracy in terms of where you intended to contact the cb.
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You can stop yourself by having your hand hit the side of the table, which tends to hurt quite a bit. Or, you can have someone else stop your arm from following through. What matters is the action before contact up to contact. Once you have contact, you can't change anything about the shot.
 
Neil said:
You can stop yourself by having your hand hit the side of the table, which tends to hurt quite a bit. Or, you can have someone else stop your arm from following through. What matters is the action before contact up to contact. Once you have contact, you can't change anything about the shot.
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I agree, but stopping someones stroke is much different than them stopping it themselves. Because, before you stop it, it has to be slowing down when it should be accelerating through the cb. The straight accelerating motion keeps the cue stick on line, slowing to a stop is where the delivery suffers accuracy.
 
Tony_in_MD said:
So how much follow through is needed?

Strokes like Hopkins which MAY be a ball width, or stroke like Earls which could be as long as 12 inches?

If you think about it maybe you well understand that both accomplish the task, and neither is better than the other, and none of them really matter in terms of what the cue ball does after contact.
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I would say enough follow through to be accelerating into the CB at the moment of contact and delivery.
 
3andstop said:
I agree, but stopping someones stroke is much different than them stopping it themselves. Because, before you stop it, it has to be slowing down when it should be accelerating through the cb. The straight accelerating motion keeps the cue stick on line, slowing to a stop is where the delivery suffers accuracy.
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Now that, I will agree with.
 
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Still trying to figure out how to paste the image on here. Anyways. This is a shot that I found a few god players could do without scratching in the bottom right corner. Some couldnt get the cue to the bottom rail. It is a stroke plus how english is applied shot. So stroke is objective. However we may see someone with a nice stroke and can move the cue around with ease. Is it the stroke or how the apply english. The are several ways to apply sidespin each with different results.
 
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Still trying to figure out how to paste the image on here. Anyways. This is a shot that I found a few god players could do without scratching in the bottom right corner. Some couldnt get the cue to the bottom rail. It is a stroke plus how english is applied shot. So stroke is objective. However we may see someone with a nice stroke and can move the cue around with ease. Is it the stroke or how the apply english. The are several ways to apply sidespin each with different results.
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All the cb knows is where it was hit, what speed it was hit at, and what angle it was hit at. Each individual combination will produce the exact same results each time it is performed.
 
Neil said:
All the cb knows is where it was hit, what speed it was hit at, and what angle it was hit at. Each individual combination will produce the exact same results each time it is performed.
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I have to disagree. Try that shot and see how it turns out.
 
Just to clarify. You have to make the one in the bottom pocket. Go 3-4 rails for position on the 8.
 
3andstop said:
I would say enough follow through to be accelerating into the CB at the moment of contact and delivery.
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Agree, but it would be better to distinguish between shots that needs acceleration through cb. Shots where cb and OB are close (say a diamond or two) are more prone to have the CB sliding; those shots i would accelerate with cb to make it roles, unless of course you have soft hit, or you aim for the throw and slam it, shots where OB is far from CB most likely cb roles before it hits OB, therefore accelerating through cb is not critical unless you are hitting cb 100000 mile/hr and do not want throw.
So you accelerate when you want to make sure CB roles naturally, or with extra bottom or top. If you want to throw an OB, you have to punch the CB, or a nice delicate acceleration with just enough bottom. My two cents.
 
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