Green and white Cortland wrap

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How rare is the original green and white cortland linen that G. Szamboti and Balabushka used. It's a little finer than the linen used today. Is it still available??

Thanks...............TommyT
 
TommyT said:
How rare is the original green and white cortland linen that G. Szamboti and Balabushka used. It's a little finer than the linen used today. Is it still available??

Thanks...............TommyT
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It hasn't been made in a number of years and is hoarded by those who have any. It is difficult to find and expensive when located. By the way, the Cortland is white with green spec., not green and white.

Dick
 
The only people who have it and are WILLING TO SELL IT are J PECHAUER CUES. Like Dick said those who have it including myself hoard it. I have seen Pechauer sell some on Ebay once in a while you might want to keep an eye open there, his seller ID is suamico123 or you could try contacting him directly.

Paul
 
if you press and polich the regular linen properly,there isn't much difference.imo.
 
TommyT said:
How rare is the original green and white cortland linen that G. Szamboti and Balabushka used. It's a little finer than the linen used today. Is it still available??

Thanks...............TommyT
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joe blackburn has it. he doesn it for 100$ a pop. also jerry rauenzahn has it his price is close to that but cant give you an exact.

i had joe do one for me at us open and he does it perfect!!!
 
TommyT said:
How rare is the original green and white cortland linen that G. Szamboti and Balabushka used. It's a little finer than the linen used today. Is it still available??

Thanks...............TommyT
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I have the material in stock, I normally charge $110 for a re-wrap with Courtland White with Green speck or Courtland #9 Irish Linen. However, I will only use it to replace Linen on collectable cues that used it in the first place.

Hope this helps
 
Hard to find. I don't like linen, but on a restoration, it's a must if that is what was on the cue to begin with. But to give you a little background the #9 is the # of threads, the thread as 3 lbs test per thread making the line a 27 lb test line. You can still periodically find 50 yard spools of this thread at antique markets. I have a few spools of natural color that is the same as the white/green. I believe it was available in natural, black, white / black, white / green and possible white / blue. Penn also made a very close linen to this. But for some reason the white / green was preferred in cues.

JV
 
classiccues said:
Hard to find. I don't like linen, but on a restoration, it's a must if that is what was on the cue to begin with. But to give you a little background the #9 is the # of threads, the thread as 3 lbs test per thread making the line a 27 lb test line. You can still periodically find 50 yard spools of this thread at antique markets. I have a few spools of natural color that is the same as the white/green. I believe it was available in natural, black, white / black, white / green and possible white / blue. Penn also made a very close linen to this. But for some reason the white / green was preferred in cues.

JV
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JV, that is very good information, thanks for sharing!!!!!!!
 
Follow up

Here is a little follow up on the Cortland linen...

In my pics I show a spool of green / white and also the same line on a Penn Jigmaster reel that was never fished. It's also white with green spec linen. Both are Cortland #9.

The other picture shows a #9 27 3 strand Cortland linen in natural. This is a very hard to find linen and will install as good as the white / green, just waiting for the right cue. :)

In that picture is a spool of white/blue linen. Not #9-27, but 81 test. Slightly thicker, but would probably make a very good wrap as well.

JV
 

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Below is a chart of the old fishing "Cuttyhunk" linens and their corresponding diameters. Turns out there is another hobby that uses these as much as cuemakers. They prefer the cuttyhunk because of it's ability to not rot, or become brittle over time.

Number of strands - diameter

3 - .013

6 - .017

9 -.025

12 - .031

15 - .034

21 - .040

24 - .045

36 - .053

39 - .058

We know that number 9 was the preferred linen by Bushka and Gus. Quite possibly the origin for .025 wraps, and other newer linen diameters.

JV
 
This is some stuff I picked up when Dufferin went out of business. I don't know if it is Courtland or Penn but it is one of them. White with black.
 

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linen (not for sale)

I purchased 22 rolls of linen off a guy about 4 years ago.4 are on original spools stuart c hurlbert & co inc.
9 are on small plastic spools,9 are what looks like old wire spools because they have electrial specs and dates from 1990.most seem to be .025 but the stuart might be .031 does that seem correct.I would like to find out what the unmarked spools are.I tried to untwist it but finding it difficult to come up with a consistant strand count.
For the most part it is two twisted together 1 white with 1 color then twisted with 2 white that is the first untwisting theb each strands untwist more.PM me I will sent samples if someone whats to investigate,but will not sell any.

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Folks:

What is the attraction to Cortlandt linen over other linens of today, other than nostalgic / authenticity reasons (e.g. for cues that used it in the first place and need a re-wrap)?

-Sean
 
IMHO the 9/27 is made of a finer thread, and can be worked to have almost a glass like or smooth leather like feel. Tascarella is a magician with both wraps and he once told me, as has quite a few other cuemakers, the 9/27 is great to work with.

JV

sfleinen said:
Folks:

What is the attraction to Cortlandt linen over other linens of today, other than nostalgic / authenticity reasons (e.g. for cues that used it in the first place and need a re-wrap)?

-Sean
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