Grip tension

peteypooldude

peteypooldude

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I want to start by saying that I perform my very best in the heat of battle . I also play high level pool. The problem I am having is after I work all day and my arm muscles are tight along with my wrist.It affects my stroke. I have worked a little with the "v" grip and that helps some. Anyone else going through this?
Side note..... It has nothing to do with feeling pressure during a match, this is a physical problem
Thanks for any input
 
I go through a similar problem. Because of work my wrist gets tight and it's hard to stroke. I helped the problem by going to a lighter cue. It's not a solve all problem but it helped me alot.
 
peteypooldude said:
I want to start by saying that I perform my very best in the heat of battle . I also play high level pool. The problem I am having is after I work all day and my arm muscles are tight along with my wrist.It affects my stroke. I have worked a little with the "v" grip and that helps some. Anyone else going through this?
Side note..... It has nothing to do with feeling pressure during a match, this is a physical problem
Thanks for any input
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set your thumb to the outside and take all of the pressure out of the grip use fingers only.after a few shots your hand will relax then go back to your normal grip.it will help to switch your concentration.it also helps to tune up your stroke when practicing.


bill
 
Your muscles are telling you they need a rest.
Something that might help you get through an evening at the pool hall might include one of these: Chocolate milk; a smoothie; some yogurt; a little peanut butter; or some Gatorade. A couple of aspirin could help, to.
Failing all of this, the old tried and true method of consuming an adult beverage to sooth an achy muscle is still hard to beat. My choice was always a couple of shots of Quervo. :smile:
 
vasilios said:
set your thumb to the outside and take all of the pressure out of the grip use fingers only.after a few shots your hand will relax then go back to your normal grip.it will help to switch your concentration.it also helps to tune up your stroke when practicing.


bill
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Great suggestion there, Bill. I agree 100%. The problem with a fatigued forearm, upper arm, and shoulder, is that it interferes with the conduit of "feel" going through the arm. That is, a tired forearm, upper arm, and shoulder break the path of "feel" in the arm, and the body subconsciously compensates by exerting extra firmness in the grip "to attempt to bring that notion of 'feel' back."

So here you are, tired arms, and you subconsciously implement what I like to call the "grabby-grabbies" in the hand. You accentuate the motions of the hand opening and closing during cue delivery, and this is an absolute no-no.

A couple years ago, I went the other way -- I made a conscious decision to REMOVE my hand/finger muscles from the motions of delivering the cue. So no "hand opening and closing" here at all. Instead, my hand is a relaxed cradle, and the cue pivots upon my hand -- with my hand a static / unchanging entity. The fulcrum that the cue pivots on is the second knuckle of the index finger.

This, for me, has removed the hand as a possible recipient of "redirected energy" when I'm tired (e.g. after a day of splitting a cord of wood). No more "grabby-grabbies"!

-Sean
 
The one thing I never could overcome completly in 50 years was holding the butt of the cue too tight. I know it cost me a lot of money over the years missing long straight in shots because of too tight a grip. When I smoked a lot of weed I don't remember having that problem. But then again I don't remember much from those days anyway.:eek:. Johnnyt
 
What grip you use isn't as important....

peteypooldude said:
I want to start by saying that I perform my very best in the heat of battle . I also play high level pool. The problem I am having is after I work all day and my arm muscles are tight along with my wrist.It affects my stroke. I have worked a little with the "v" grip and that helps some. Anyone else going through this?
Side note..... It has nothing to do with feeling pressure during a match, this is a physical problem
Thanks for any input
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The key thing with the grip is to ensure that you are allowing the cue to do the work. Most people have to just experience it and have the epiphany of truly realizing what that means to really get it though.

Once you start allowing the weight of the cue to do the work, inconsistencies in your stroke will start to disappear because your follow through becomes more natural.

The "V" grip that I use I invented a long time ago and don't know if it's the same that Lee Brett prescribes or not.

I put my thumb in between my forefinger and middle finger squeezing the two fingers to hold the thumb in place and let the cue rest in the V groove this creates.

The pressure placed on the thumb by the action of squeezing the forefinger and middle finger on the thumb helps to eliminate the sense that you are holding the cue too loose.

I also prefer a wrapless cue since it doesn't slide as easily in your fingers.

My bro can't so this, cause he has a stubby thumb that is too short, but he recently started to understand the concept of letting the cue do the work and now he's playing better than ever.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
The key thing with the grip is to ensure that you are allowing the cue to do the work. Most people have to just experience it and have the epiphany of truly realizing what that means to really get it though.

Once you start allowing the weight of the cue to do the work, inconsistencies in your stroke will start to disappear because your follow through becomes more natural.

The "V" grip that I use I invented a long time ago and don't know if it's the same that Lee Brett prescribes or not.

I put my thumb in between my forefinger and middle finger squeezing the two fingers to hold the thumb in place and let the cue rest in the V groove this creates.

The pressure placed on the thumb by the action of squeezing the forefinger and middle finger on the thumb helps to eliminate the sense that you are holding the cue too loose.

I also prefer a wrapless cue since it doesn't slide as easily in your fingers.

My bro can't so this, cause he has a stubby thumb that is too short, but he recently started to understand the concept of letting the cue do the work and now he's playing better than ever.

Jaden
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R u talking about the thumb being on one side of the but and the index and middle finger side by side on the other side of the butt . With the thumb pressing against the opposite two fingers and the cue riding in the cradle?
 
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peteypooldude said:
R u talking about the thumb being on one side of the but and the index and middle finger side by side on the other side of the butt . With the thumb pressing against the opposite two fingers and the cue riding in the cradle?
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Yes the two fingers are on one side of the butt and the thumb is on the other side with the cue in the cradle but instead of just pressing the thumb against the two fingers, it rests between the two fingers with each finger pressing on one side of the thumb.

Jaden
 
duckie said:
Just throwing this out there, and as such is just food for thought.

As I was reading your post, a condition that happens to motorcycle riders, mostly dirt riders and road racers, called arm pump. This occurs from having always gripping the bars.

Here is a little more info on it.

http://backontrackphysio.org/page7.htm

http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/MTB-Strength-Training-The-Cure-for-Arm-Pump,70

FWIW
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Arm "pump" is exactly the term I ahould have used. The great thing about AZ is chances are someone else has most likely had similar hurdles to cross
I appreciate everyone's input
 
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Progressive muscle relaxation will help with the stiffness, costs nothing, and takes 20-30 minutes depending on how much tension you have.

On the subject of a "V" or loose grip, here's Busty during a TAR Podcast. The quality isn't the best but on the YouTube upload it's probably much clearer.
 

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Johnnyt said:
The one thing I never could overcome completly in 50 years was holding the butt of the cue too tight. I know it cost me a lot of money over the years missing long straight in shots because of too tight a grip. When I smoked a lot of weed I don't remember having that problem. But then again I don't remember much from those days anyway.:eek:. Johnnyt
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I often use this technique
Its part of my PSR
 
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Ghosst said:
Progressive muscle relaxation will help with the stiffness, costs nothing, and takes 20-30 minutes depending on how much tension you have.

On the subject of a "V" or loose grip, here's Busty during a TAR Podcast. The quality isn't the best but on the YouTube upload it's probably much clearer.
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I am working with this technique , I really appreciate the pics
 
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