GSBT Payout ?

MikeJanis said:
Shannon, I am not trying to run all the other tours out of business. Only the bad ones. Additionally it was TK that started the whole $1,000 thing and I won't even correct you on the other mistakes. Just giving TK the correct recognition.

Shannon, when you came to starting the GSBT through the 8-ball tour I was one of the first to help you. We ( the Viking Tour) provided a championship for your players so you could make money by charging the players TC's and we provided advertising support along with contact information. Heck, I even held one of your events at the Pool Room I was managing at the time in Duluth, GA. We had an agreement and not only did you not fully honor the agreement you purposely split off and competed directly with me. I have heard from quite few room owners about your tactics on selling events while discrediting the Viking Tour and quite a few of the stories have been blatent lies on your part to them (Of course this is their story.).

Personally, I always felt an immediate responsibility to the players, fans, room owners and sponsors to get my results correct. We have also had misquotes on event #rs and/or payouts but I always immediately followed up with the magazines and/or websites to immediately correct the articles.

No matter how you look at it there was a mistake made and by whoever does not matter. It should be your responsibility to get ir corrected ASAP. An anomoly in the #rs like that could show a devastating trend in our sport and everyone needs to be on top of it.

Shannon, over the years I have paid to get you into and for accomodations at large Viking Tour events. I have never purposely tried to harm your reputation or events. But now, consider those good times over.

I mean c'mon Shannon, 20% fee off the player auction. What gives. No guarantees for room owners as long as you make a buck. It's things like that that are bad for the sport. Then, and then, at the SCO you picked up a chalk from a sponsor that has been supporting our sport since 1994 and in front of all the spectators threw it on the ground and said "this stuff is junk" then pretended to spit on it. And you wonder why you have such little sponsorship from the industry. I was soo embarassed for you I disn;t even have the balls to kick your no class but out of the event. I figured your character spoke for itself and that was enough punishment.

You are already seing a decline in new events and players. Keep doing things like you have been and we won't have to have these conversations.

Good Luck,


Mj
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If you are insinuating that our tour takes 20% from the auction you have fallen and bumped your head. The GSBT takes a standard of 10% just like every other tour. Also, that 10% is split with the room owner as a way to recoup their added money. Do you do that? You know what I don't really care what you do. I do not appreciate you trying to tarnish my character as you would be the pot callling the kettle black.
 
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MikeJanis said:
Believe me, my last thought was to sling doo-doo. If it wasn't an error in the article I would be sitting here being to busy reformulating my own business plan instead of worrying about someone elses.
Mj
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Problem is... that was also your first thought, your last thought, and every thought in between. I've seen puddles deaper than the reasoning behind this thread.

Shannon & Marge I will gladly continue to support your tournaments.
 
coop19772002 said:
If you are insinuating that our tour takes 20% from the auction you have fallen and bumped your head. The GSBT takes a standard of 10% just like every other tour. Also, that 10% is split with the room owner as a way to recoup their added money. Do you do that? You know what I don't really care what you do. I do not appreciate you trying to tarnish my character as you would be the pot callling the kettle black. If you want to character assasinate then why don't you tell the billiards world why you had to borrow $1000 from me at your Viking Nationals in 2006 to pay the mini tourney out because you had put the tourney money in the poker machine???
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Gee Shannon didn't you get that money back within an hour ? YEP, you did. I sent my cousin Charlie home to get a stack and made sure to take care of it that moment.

Hmm. Talk about good character. I did exactly what I said I would do.

You are not on here complaining about not getting paid. Heck Shannon, I didnt even fully get paid from our deal. You called me complaining about being broke and not being able to come to that event so I told you to keep the balance. I basically did that just to be done with you.

Now if you want to talk about character assination lets talk about deposits you took from players for cues from a previous sponsor of yours and never sent him the money or the cues to the players. I am not going to bring his name into it but I guarantee you that he is pissed and tells everyone what you did.
 
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Mike - I haven't questioned you in quite awhile but when you start throwing rocks, I have to ask.

For example, the tournament you had in Memphis: Here is the link to the AZ article http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5489

In the article you state The Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour paid out a total prize fund of $8,120 in the Open and Amateur Divisions.
Open Division Payouts;
1st $2100 Justin Bergman
2nd $1300 David Gutierrez
3rd $800 Jason Evans
4th $550 Justin Sanders
5/6th $275 each Tony Sulsar / Nick Vita
7/8th $120 each Kelly Green / Monroe Jones
9th thru 12 th $70 each Randy Reese / Sam Gilmer / Jewel Mays / Al Barth

Did the players really win this money or does this include Calcutta? (btw, this is a rhetorical question). I have read the article twice and maybe I am missing it, but I don't see the word Calcutta or Player Auction mentioned when describing the payouts. How can you question if the GSBT is listing the payouts incorrectly when you are distorting facts to make your tour appear that it is paying more money to the players? It appears that there is an anomaly = anything that differs from expectations, whether the expectations resulted from documentation, experiences or otherwise on the Viking Tour as well if players are going to show up thinking they can walk with $2100 for first for their entry fee.
 
MikeJanis said:
Gee Shannon didn't you get that money back within an hour ? YEP, you did. I sent my cousin Charlie home to get a stack and made sure to take care of it that moment.

Hmm. Talk about good character. I did exactly what I said I would do.
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You know what Mike I am not going to stoop down to your level. I have faith in my tour and everything I am doing to promote the sport of pool. When you have respectably names like myself, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer, and Kim Davenport and all of the room owners that we do business with on our side I feel confident that THE GREAT SOUTHERN BILLIARD TOUR will prevail in the end.
 
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watchez said:
Mike - I haven't questioned you in quite awhile but when you start throwing rocks, I have to ask.

For example, the tournament you had in Memphis: Here is the link to the AZ article http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5489

In the article you state The Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour paid out a total prize fund of $8,120 in the Open and Amateur Divisions.
Open Division Payouts;
1st $2100 Justin Bergman
2nd $1300 David Gutierrez
3rd $800 Jason Evans
4th $550 Justin Sanders
5/6th $275 each Tony Sulsar / Nick Vita
7/8th $120 each Kelly Green / Monroe Jones
9th thru 12 th $70 each Randy Reese / Sam Gilmer / Jewel Mays / Al Barth

Did the players really win this money or does this include Calcutta? (btw, this is a rhetorical question). I have read the article twice and maybe I am missing it, but I don't see the word Calcutta or Player Auction mentioned when describing the payouts. How can you question if the GSBT is listing the payouts incorrectly when you are distorting facts to make your tour appear that it is paying more money to the players? It appears that there is an anomaly = anything that differs from expectations, whether the expectations resulted from documentation, experiences or otherwise on the Viking Tour as well if players are going to show up thinking they can walk with $2100 for first for their entry fee.
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Its not an anomoly. it has been the standard for quite a while to combine the payouts in articles. However, to combat that I almost always post here on AZ the payout breakdown.

For that event it can be seen here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=106338&highlight=memphis+payouts

MikeJanis said:
07-19-2008, 06:15 PM

87 Total Players

52 Players in the Open Division
43 Paid Entries - 7 FREE Women and 2 Free Junior players + 5 players took advantage of the $10 leage discount program offered by the Viking Tour. ALL PLAYERS REVEIVED A FREEBEE as there were no tour card fees for this Viking Tour event.

We had another 35 players for the Amateur Division.


Top players include:

Justin Bergman
Tony Sulsar
David Gutierrez
Chuck Raulston
Nick Vita
Jason Evans
Monroe Jones


Payouts for the Open Division are:

Tourney / Auction

1. $1,000 / $1,100
2. $600 / $700
3. $400 / $400
4. $300 / $250
5/6. $175 / $100 each
7/8. $120 each
9-12. $70 each

Total payouts = $5,820

Mj
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Mj
 
MikeJanis said:
Its not an anomoly. it has been the standard for quite a while to combine the payouts in articles. However, to combat that I almost always post here on AZ the payout breakdown.

For that event it can be seen here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=106338&highlight=memphis+payouts




Mj
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Shannon - Does your tour have a player auction/calcutta? I assume it does since Janis is accusing you of taking out a too high % at your events.

I am looking at an article on AZ from the same weekend as the Viking Memphis Tour I quoted above. Here is the article http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5510 In the article, Shannon posts a link to the payouts of his event:

Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 26 - 27, 2008
Strokers Billiards
Sumter, SC

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Josh Roberts $1,000.00
2nd place Mike Newsome $500.00
3rd place Jeremy Milber $300.00
4th place BJ Hucks $200.00
5th place Larry Nevel $100.00
5th place Boyd Bauknight $100.00

Shannon, do these payouts include the player auction/calcutta?
Shannon, if you do hold a player auction/calcutta at every event then why don't you use the standard for quite a while to combine the payouts in articles. Is this a standard only for Viking Tour articles or a standard for all billiard tour articles ?(btw, this is another rhetorical question)
 
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You didn't get paid??? You are telling a bold faced lie. You got paid in full and to let it be known we didn't want to be affiliated w/ you or your tour but felt like we should because of this reason right here- you bad mouthing people even if what you say is untrue.

I do want to apologize to the AZ forums for lashing out in anger. I do not operate this way and refuse to. I just feel like if I don't retaliate that everyone will think it is the truth. I have worked very hard over the years to keep a good reputation and repore with players and room owners and continue to. I just wish everyone felt the same and didn't feel like they had to act so childish.
 
watchez said:
Shannon - Does your tour have a player auction/calcutta? I assume it does since Janis is accusing you of taking out a too high % at your events.

I am looking at an article on AZ from the same weekend as the Viking Memphis Tour I quoted above. Here is the article http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5510 In the article, Shannon posts a link to the payouts of his event:

Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 26 - 27, 2008
Strokers Billiards
Sumter, SC

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Josh Roberts $1,000.00
2nd place Mike Newsome $500.00
3rd place Jeremy Milber $300.00
4th place BJ Hucks $200.00
5th place Larry Nevel $100.00
5th place Boyd Bauknight $100.00

Shannon, do these payouts include the player auction/calcutta?
Shannon, if you do hold a player auction/calcutta at every event then why don't you use the standard for quite a while to combine the payouts in articles. Is this a standard only for Viking Tour articles or a standard for all billiard tour articles ?(btw, this is another rhetorical question)
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Watchez, the above was actually part of an anomoly. I think there was no auction at this event. Maybe someone can confirm.

Anyway, Take a look at this: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5490

This events payout included no less than 3 auctions.

Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 19th - 20th, 2008
Chaulk it up Billiards
LaGrange, GA

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Jonathan Hennessee $4,150.00
2nd place Larry Nevel $2,745.00
3rd place Billy Peav $1,625.00
4th place Randy Vaughn $900.00
5th place Josh Roberts $475.00
5th place Jason Heyward $475.00
7th place Stoney Stone $150.00
7th place Randy Jordon $150.00
9th place Eddie Little $50.00
9th place Sparky Ferrell $50.00
9th place Billy Holmes $50.00
9th place Jeff Jordan $50.00

Mj
 
MikeJanis said:
Shannon, I am not trying to run all the other tours out of business. Only the bad ones. Additionally it was TK that started the whole $1,000 thing and I won't even correct you on the other mistakes. Just giving TK the correct recognition.

Shannon, when you came to starting the GSBT through the 8-ball tour I was one of the first to help you. We ( the Viking Tour) provided a championship for your players so you could make money by charging the players TC's and we provided advertising support along with contact information. Heck, I even held one of your events at the Pool Room I was managing at the time in Duluth, GA. We had an agreement and not only did you not fully honor the agreement you purposely split off and competed directly with me. I have heard from quite few room owners about your tactics on selling events while discrediting the Viking Tour and quite a few of the stories have been blatant lies on your part to them (Of course this is their story but it is odd that I have heard the same story from more than 1 room owner.).

Personally, I always felt an immediate responsibility to the players, fans, room owners and sponsors to get my results correct. We have also had misquotes on event #rs and/or payouts but I always immediately followed up with the magazines and/or websites to immediately correct the articles.

No matter how you look at it there was a mistake made and by whoever does not matter. It should be your responsibility to get it corrected ASAP. An anomaly in the #rs like that could show a devastating trend in our sport and everyone needs to be on top of it.

Shannon, over the years I have paid to get you into and for accommodations at large Viking Tour events along with food and travel expenses. I even saved your ass when some bookie guy wanted to kill you in Cleveland (that cost me a big favor to someone I did not want to owe but I did it to help you.). I have never purposely tried to harm your reputation or events. But now, consider those good times over.

I mean c'mon Shannon, 20% fee off the player auction. What gives. No guarantees for room owners as long as you make a buck. It's things like that that are bad for the sport. Then, and then, at the SCO you picked up a chalk from a sponsor that has been supporting our sport since 1994 and in front of all the spectators threw it on the ground and said "this stuff is junk" then pretended to spit on it. And you wonder why you have such little sponsorship from the industry. I was soo embarrassed for you I didn't even have the balls to kick your no class butt out of the event. I figured your character spoke for itself and that was enough punishment.

You are already seeing a decline in new events and players. Keep doing things like you have been and we won't have to have these conversations.

Good Luck,


Mj
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Mike,

I'm from Vegas and Ca my whole life so I dont know alot about pool tours, I played in tournment's for a while in pool rooms that were created by the poolroom it was at. This was in around 85-88. They would have weekly ones and then once or twice a year have a big one $$$ added. On the weekly ones there were open and B tourments, I was banned from all the B turnments but couldnt win a open one. The reason I'm telling you this is so you can see my frames of referance and what I know about the most.

I'm a businessman my whole life and have done well. One of my skills in business is to know when to let something go, or take down a post, I dont call up people and yell and scream and throw insults etc. I'm refering to someone else who did that to me last night, but these posts all day today and yesterday you have posted-might feel like the right move, instant gratification-like the guy who called me and yelled at me last night, but at the end of the day the instant gratifaction moves dont usually turn out to be the smartest moves. I perfer to run silent and deep real deep, tempting as it is to say something now is out weighed by doing something tomarrow.

I dont know much about your business, I know the math and if its worth doing its worth doing for $$$. So from one businessman to the other putting things in public that no one knows anything about only harms them and you-not the public(or your customers). Dont show your cards unless you get paid to show your cards. So I ask you as a aquitance online and as a businessman to forget te instant gratification and run deep and silent, you'll go alot farther. My cerdentials are well known and established-i wish you the best

best regards

eric
 
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watchez said:
Shannon - Does your tour have a player auction/calcutta? I assume it does since Janis is accusing you of taking out a too high % at your events.

I am looking at an article on AZ from the same weekend as the Viking Memphis Tour I quoted above. Here is the article http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5510 In the article, Shannon posts a link to the payouts of his event:

Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 26 - 27, 2008
Strokers Billiards
Sumter, SC

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Josh Roberts $1,000.00
2nd place Mike Newsome $500.00
3rd place Jeremy Milber $300.00
4th place BJ Hucks $200.00
5th place Larry Nevel $100.00
5th place Boyd Bauknight $100.00

Shannon, do these payouts include the player auction/calcutta?
Shannon, if you do hold a player auction/calcutta at every event then why don't you use the standard for quite a while to combine the payouts in articles. Is this a standard only for Viking Tour articles or a standard for all billiard tour articles ?(btw, this is another rhetorical question)
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We do have a player auction and our payouts ONLY reflect the tournament payouts.
 
coop19772002 said:
You didn't get paid??? You are telling a bold faced lie. You got paid in full and to let it be known we didn't want to be affiliated w/ you or your tour but felt like we should because of this reason right here- you bad mouthing people even if what you say is untrue.

I do want to apologize to the AZ forums for lashing out in anger. I do not operate this way and refuse to. I just feel like if I don't retaliate that everyone will think it is the truth. I have worked very hard over the years to keep a good reputation and repore with players and room owners and continue to. I just wish everyone felt the same and didn't feel like they had to act so childish.
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Shannon, I didn't . When I was stone cold broke I drove to your event in SC to pick up some dough. You could only come up with $365.

Remember the deal. $10 for every player TC. You had what 120 players that year ?

Not only did I not get Paid. I told you to keep it for expenses towards the Duluth event. You know, the event I had to borrow a G from you at that you brought up before.

You didn't even have the class to pay me then. all you did is ask if I had your money yet.

Get a life.

PS.. It's about time you got that announcement out.

All done. Try rebutting some of the other facts.

Mj
 
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coop19772002 said:
We do have a player auction and our payouts ONLY reflect the tournament payouts.
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HUH ? Explain this ? http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2008.php?eventnum=294


Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 19th - 20th, 2008
Chaulk it up Billiards
LaGrange, GA

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Jonathan Hennessee $4,150.00
2nd place Larry Nevel $2,745.00
3rd place Billy Peav $1,625.00
4th place Randy Vaughn $900.00
5th place Josh Roberts $475.00
5th place Jason Heyward $475.00
7th place Stoney Stone $150.00
7th place Randy Jordon $150.00
9th place Eddie Little $50.00
9th place Sparky Ferrell $50.00
9th place Billy Holmes $50.00
9th place Jeff Jordan $50.00



Now be honest this time.
 
MikeJanis said:
Shannon, I didn't . When I was stone cold broke I drove to your event in SC to pick up some dough. You could only come up with $365.

Remember the deal. $10 for every player TC. You had what 120 players that year ?

Not only did I not get Paid. I told you to keep it for expenses towards the Duluth event. You know, the event I had to borrow a G from you at that you brought up before.

You didn't even have the class to pay me then. all you did is ask if I had your money yet.

Get a life.

PS.. It's about time you got that announcement out.

All done. Try rebutting some of the other facts.

Mj
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You are something else. I'm not gonna argue w/ you about this- I know the truth and so do you- you got paid end of story.

I'm all done with wasting my time w/ you - you run your tour and I will run mine.
 
MikeJanis said:
Watchez, the above was actually part of an anomoly. I think there was no auction at this event. Maybe someone can confirm.

Anyway, Take a look at this: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=5490

This events payout included no less than 3 auctions.

Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 19th - 20th, 2008
Chaulk it up Billiards
LaGrange, GA

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Jonathan Hennessee $4,150.00
2nd place Larry Nevel $2,745.00
3rd place Billy Peav $1,625.00
4th place Randy Vaughn $900.00
5th place Josh Roberts $475.00
5th place Jason Heyward $475.00
7th place Stoney Stone $150.00
7th place Randy Jordon $150.00
9th place Eddie Little $50.00
9th place Sparky Ferrell $50.00
9th place Billy Holmes $50.00
9th place Jeff Jordan $50.00

Mj
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No Mike, I think your find is the anomaly.

I think it must be AZ that got these payouts wrong (well at least with Calcutta added as the Viking Tour touts its' payouts) because looking at the next two events on the list:
http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2008.php?eventnum=259
Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
June 28 - 29, 2008
Randolph's Billiards
Hickory, NC

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Larry Nevel $1,000.00
2nd place JR Rossman $600.00
3rd place Mike Davis $400.00
4th place Mark Parlier $200.00
5th place Brian Capps $100.00
5th place Darryl Caldwell $100.00
7th place Eddie Little $50.00
7th place Peaches Fuller $50.00

http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2008.php?eventnum=284
Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 12 - 13, 2008
Diamond Billiard Club
Chattanooga, Tennessee

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Randy Jordon $1,000.00
2nd place Billy Young $500.00
3rd place Jesse Middlebrook $300.00
4th place Larry Nevel $200.00
5th place Shannon Daulton $100.00
5th place Mark Nanashee $100.00
7th place Billy Bailey $50.00
7th place Adam Wilson $50.00

Unless, this is 3 out of the last 4 events that Shannon held & did not have a player auction (which I find highly unlikely). Again, it appears that the GSBT is not following the standard.
 
MikeJanis said:
HUH ? Explain this ? http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showtourney2008.php?eventnum=294


Tournament Payouts
Great Southern Billiard Tour Stop
July 19th - 20th, 2008
Chaulk it up Billiards
LaGrange, GA

Place Playername Prize Money
1st place Jonathan Hennessee $4,150.00
2nd place Larry Nevel $2,745.00
3rd place Billy Peav $1,625.00
4th place Randy Vaughn $900.00
5th place Josh Roberts $475.00
5th place Jason Heyward $475.00
7th place Stoney Stone $150.00
7th place Randy Jordon $150.00
9th place Eddie Little $50.00
9th place Sparky Ferrell $50.00
9th place Billy Holmes $50.00
9th place Jeff Jordan $50.00



Now be honest this time.
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I don't have anything to hide. Marge put this info. in a thread right here on AZ- w/ all of the breakdowns. Tourney and auction figures 3 matter of a fact. Since we have been having internet trouble I had Sherry get the info. off of the thread which she did and write the story. (by the way she does a great job) I have never intentionally boosted payouts by adding in the auction figures and never will. AZ does a great job for us getting our info. correct and reported quickly. I have searched for the thread and can't find it.
 
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