Too much water.crosseyedjoe said:It just happened to be a different kind of beer, it probably wrecked havoc with their stomach.
Pinoys like San Mig with high alcohol content.
Guinness Asian 9-ball shut-out!
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yankwin said:
In my opinion, taiwanese send their 3 top and 3 unknown player, but the Philippines send their all star team (except Efren and Bustamante) in 2007 Guinness Asian 9-ball. Not to mention Chang Jung-Lin, Wu Chia-Ching and Wu Yu-Lun are all still the students.
Your players in Asian 9-ball tours-
Jakarta, Indonesia
Jeffrey De Luna (PHI)
Dennis ORCOLLO (PHI)
Ronato ALCANO (PHI)
Lee Vann CORTEZA (PHI)
Kaohsiung, Taipei
Ronato Alcano (PHI)
Alex Pagulayan (PHI)
Antonio Lining (PHI)
Antonio Gabica (PHI)
Genting Highlands, Malaysia
ROBERTO GOMEZ (PHI)
RONATO ALCANO (PHI)
LEE VAN CORTEZA (PHI)
JEFFREY DE LUNA (PHI)
Singapore
MARLON MANALO (PHI)
ROBERTO GOMEZ (PHI)
RONATO ALCANO (PHI)
ALEX PAGULAYAN (PHI)
Shanghai, China
Roberto Gomez (PHI)
Jeffrey De Luna (PHI)
Lee Vann Corteza (PHI)
Ronato Alcano (PHI)
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RONATO ALCANO - the reigning 8&9 ball world champions
ALEX PAGULAYAN - the former 9 ball world champion
Lee Vann Corteza - the reigning Philippines champion
Antonio Gabica - the former Philippines champion
MARLON MANALO - one of your best player
Dennis ORCOLLO - Isn't he the best 9-ball player in the world ? (hehe...he just lost to Wu Chia-Ching in the BRUNEI 9-BALL INVT'L CUP)
Antonio Lining & ROBERTO GOMEZ - I think even the Filipinos themselves will admit they are both their top players.
Your other 2 top Filipino masters, only Efren was indeed great in this tour. As for Bustamante, he is also great, but his mental has never been strong enough to win the asian tour title in the past years. (In fact, I rememberred he only had one time to advance the final match but failed.)
It is indeed interesting, maybe the flipino players can play well outside Asia, but when they return to Asia, and everything seems to be different.
Good research.
John Barton
New member
yankwin said:
In my opinion, taiwanese send their 3 top and 3 unknown player, but the Philippines send their all star team (except Efren and Bustamante) in 2007 Guinness Asian 9-ball. Not to mention Chang Jung-Lin, Wu Chia-Ching and Wu Yu-Lun are all still the students.
Your players in Asian 9-ball tours-
Jakarta, Indonesia
Jeffrey De Luna (PHI) Has not really won anything of note
Dennis ORCOLLO (PHI) Champion
Ronato ALCANO (PHI) Champion Coming
Lee Vann CORTEZA (PHI) Champion
Kaohsiung, Taipei
Ronato Alcano (PHI) Champion
Alex Pagulayan (PHI) Champion
Antonio Lining (PHI) Second Tier
Antonio Gabica (PHI) Second Tier
Genting Highlands, Malaysia
ROBERTO GOMEZ (PHI) Hasn't won anything of note
RONATO ALCANO (PHI) Champion
LEE VAN CORTEZA (PHI) Champion
JEFFREY DE LUNA (PHI) Hasn't won anything of note
Singapore
MARLON MANALO (PHI) Champion
ROBERTO GOMEZ (PHI) Hasn't won anything
RONATO ALCANO (PHI) Champion
ALEX PAGULAYAN (PHI) Champion
Shanghai, China
Roberto Gomez (PHI) Second Tier
Jeffrey De Luna (PHI) Second Tier
Lee Vann Corteza (PHI) Champion
Ronato Alcano (PHI) Champion
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RONATO ALCANO - the reigning 8&9 ball world champions
ALEX PAGULAYAN - the former 9 ball world champion
Lee Vann Corteza - the reigning Philippines champion
Antonio Gabica - the former Philippines champion
MARLON MANALO - one of your best player
Dennis ORCOLLO - Isn't he the best 9-ball player in the world ? (hehe...he just lost to Wu Chia-Ching in the BRUNEI 9-BALL INVT'L CUP)
Antonio Lining & ROBERTO GOMEZ - I think even the Filipinos themselves will admit they are both their top players.
Your other 2 top Filipino masters, only Efren was indeed great in this tour. As for Bustamante, he is also great, but his mental has never been strong enough to win the asian tour title in the past years. (In fact, I rememberred he only had one time to advance the final match but failed.)
It is indeed interesting, maybe the flipino players can play well outside Asia, but when they return to Asia, and everything seems to be different.
Once again, the Filipino squad was rotated and the only consistent player on all stops is the reigning World Champion, Ronnie Alcano.
The Taiwanese definitely deserve to win - they were consistent throughout and there is NO DOUBT that they are World Class.
It is however difficult to make a national comparison when the Filipino squad was rotated so much and the Taiwanese squad was consistent. This is the problem with this sort of "tour". It's not open for anyone to play in and the spots are at the mercy of the promoter and the associations. So it's not a true test of nations in my opinon.
It's like Corey Duel said. Give America as many spots in the World Championships as Asia gets and you will see more Americans finishing high and winning it. On some level he is correct. Of course the IPT was a contrast to that idea where it was filled with mostly American players and still the Asians and Europeans came out on top for the most part.
Pool is streaky. Next year Jeff DeLuna could be number one on the Guiness Tour if he gets the rolls and plays well.
John Barton Pool is streaky. Next year Jeff DeLuna could be number one on the Guiness Tour if he gets the rolls and plays well.[/QUOTE said:
Sprite said:Good to see that Chao passed all his skill to Yang and students bef his days are numbered.
(Rather than being selfish).....so wat if your country got 2 good old players. Its over.
Wishful thinking . . . Name the top 10 players from Taiwan and Philippines then compare their accomplishments (I will even exclude Efren and Bustamante).
John Barton
New member
GADawg said:
I find it funny that no one mentions that China with ONE lone entry made it all the way to 4th place in the World Championships last year. And that was pre-Chao.
I don't know what the talk is but I do know that in Xiamen at least there is a lot of cooperation between China and Taiwan when it comes to pool. Most of the room owners here are Taiwanese and most of the house pros are Taiwanese.
The thing is that all the countries have gifted players. People talk about the depth of talent but the same five or six names from each country seem to consistently be on top.
I have to ask why aren't the pool players going around the world and scooping up all the prize money if they are so good? The US Open pays $40,000. There are numerous other events that pay as much or more than the Guiness Tour. Derby City?
Why aren't the Taiwanese sending out their legions and taking all the cash back to Taiwan if they are the best? It has already been pointed out to me that a dollar goes a lot farther in Asia so doesn't it make sense that Taiwan would be sending players to all tournaments big and small and bringing all the loot home. I am sure the #32 player on Taiwan's ranking list is more than enough to take down the Joss Tour right?
Anyway, just rambling. I know that the Taiwanese are jam up players - no doubt. Someday we might even see a world tour that gives us all the international mix we want to see.
John Barton said:
You are correct and Li He Wen along with others are now being coached on an almost daily basis by Chao.
There is a lot of cooperation between the Taiwanese and Chinese in Shanghai also. Many of the new pool rooms are owned and operated by Taiwanese. I assume it is still true that Taiwan is the largest foreign investor in Mainland China business across all industries. More than any other foreign country.
The problem with Chao appears to be political. Because of his age and achievements, he is like the "respected elder" of Taiwanese pool players. Now this elder is suddenly coaching a foreign team. Some Taiwanese are very upset and some don't care and say that he needs to do whatever is best for him.
I heard that Chao did not inform the Taiwan Billiard Association of his coaching intentions prior to making a public announcement. In retrospect, that was probably not a good move. People don't like surprises and that may be the biggest cause of the uproar. If he had handled it differently he might have avoided some of the backlash and burned fewer bridges.
I saw him Tuesday night playing 2/3/5 with Fu Jian Bo and coaching Fu on cue ball paths. 2/3/5 is the three object ball carom game played a lot in Taiwan which was discussed in a earlier thread.
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John Barton said:
The asia player i know so far that willing to go around the world is Pan Xiao Ting. I saw one of her interview, she couldn't get used to the food and stay in the beginning and sometimes she cried alone. Worst of all, she don't speak English. Whatever things she do, she got problem.
crosseyedjoe said:
Since the "top 10 players" list is subjective, how about this instead.
The accomplishments...
World 9 Ball Champions
Taiwan (4)-
Fong Pang Chao 1993 & 2000
Chia Ching Wu 2005
Ronnie Alcano 2006
Philipines (4)
Rudolfo Luat 1996
Efren Reyes 1991
Alex "O Canada" Pagulayan 2004
Ronnie Alcano 2006
The San Miguel Asian 9 Ball tour had 15 events from March 2003 to Sept 2006. Taiwan won 3 (all by Ching Shun Yang) while the Fillipinos won the other 12, with Reyes winning 7 of them and Lee VanCortez, Gandy Valle, Alcano, Ramil Gallego and Luat each winning one.
The Guinness 9 Ball tour has been going since April of this year. All 6 events have been won by Taiwanese players.
My take on this is that the great players from the Phillipines have been established as a world powerhouse for a long time. BUT, the great players from Taiwan have grown to be almost as formidible in such a short time. I personally belive that Taiwan will have the most dominate players for the forseeable future. There are so many of them that are so very good. And their ranks seem to be rising very quickly.
Fong Pang Chao, Ching Shun Yang, Chia Ching Wu, Jung-Lin Chang, Po Chen Kuo, Pei-Wei Chang, Chin-Ching Kang, Che Wei Fu, Hui-Kai Hsia, Lu Hui Chan and I know I'm forgetting some more. That is a very great line up.
yankwin said:
In my opinion, taiwanese send their 3 top and 3 unknown player, but the Philippines send their all star team (except Efren and Bustamante) in 2007 Guinness Asian 9-ball. Not to mention Chang Jung-Lin, Wu Chia-Ching and Wu Yu-Lun are all still the students.
Your players in Asian 9-ball tours-
Jakarta, Indonesia
Jeffrey De Luna (PHI)
Dennis ORCOLLO (PHI)
Ronato ALCANO (PHI)
Lee Vann CORTEZA (PHI)
Kaohsiung, Taipei
Ronato Alcano (PHI)
Alex Pagulayan (PHI)
Antonio Lining (PHI)
Antonio Gabica (PHI)
Genting Highlands, Malaysia
ROBERTO GOMEZ (PHI)
RONATO ALCANO (PHI)
LEE VAN CORTEZA (PHI)
JEFFREY DE LUNA (PHI)
Singapore
MARLON MANALO (PHI)
ROBERTO GOMEZ (PHI)
RONATO ALCANO (PHI)
ALEX PAGULAYAN (PHI)
Shanghai, China
Roberto Gomez (PHI)
Jeffrey De Luna (PHI)
Lee Vann Corteza (PHI)
Ronato Alcano (PHI)
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RONATO ALCANO - the reigning 8&9 ball world champions
ALEX PAGULAYAN - the former 9 ball world champion
Lee Vann Corteza - the reigning Philippines champion
Antonio Gabica - the former Philippines champion
MARLON MANALO - one of your best player
Dennis ORCOLLO - Isn't he the best 9-ball player in the world ? (hehe...he just lost to Wu Chia-Ching in the BRUNEI 9-BALL INVT'L CUP)
Antonio Lining & ROBERTO GOMEZ - I think even the Filipinos themselves will admit they are both their top players.
Your other 2 top Filipino masters, only Efren was indeed great in this tour. As for Bustamante, he is also great, but his mental has never been strong enough to win the asian tour title in the past years. (In fact, I rememberred he only had one time to advance the final match but failed.)
It is indeed interesting, maybe the flipino players can play well outside Asia, but when they return to Asia, and everything seems to be different.
mean this filipino poolplayers SUCKS
FILIPINO POOL PLAYERS VERY LOUSY
THEY LOSE TO STUDENT POOLPLAYERS
FILIPINO PLAYERS LOUSY HAHAHAi
John Barton
New member
GADawg said:
I will say this much for the 2/3/5 game - it's apparent from watching the Taiwanese players on the Guiness tour that this game has helped them tremendously in ball management. They know how to carom and massage the balls into position better than the Filipinos and I believe that it is primarily due to this game.
As for Chao, wow! I guess there must be some major incentive for him going on there.
Politics! :-( Bah.
John Barton
New member
Terry Ardeno said:
America: 7 9-Ball World Championship Titles (I think) - 25 or so US Open championships.
Actually Taiwan has had great players for the last ten years that I have been going there.
I think that the last few years is when they have been gaining more coverage but the good players have been there for quite a while. My friend used to stake Americans against tough Taiwanese players in Taipei in the early 90s.
I guess that would be the real test - is there anyone willing to put any Americans in the box? I don't have the time but I would be willing to put Rodney in a 15 ahead set against any Taiwanese player. But I don't know if any real stakehorses are willing to bet up some serious cash against the Tawanese right now.
the taiwainese have the mental edge... they have the discipline to win the tour... i've read too many excuses from the pinoy fans... sorry, but i think you should give credit and accept what the present gives... if it's the other way around i bet it would've been the same thing... excuses for the taiwanese...
let's accept the fact that the taiwanese dominated THE LEG...not Filipinos... yes no efren no django... so what... there are more young good players from The Pinas coming out...
let's not live in the past... the present says it all... i would'nt even be surprise for the taiwainese to come up strong for this coming WPC...
too bad, i wish Corey Deuel plays the same way he played when he won the US Open... i love that guys play
really smooth... wish that he gets his game back...i'm looking forward to see him play and get more t.v. coverage for the WPC... that if he advances.. i wish he does hehe... go corey win or lose!
let's accept the fact that the taiwanese dominated THE LEG...not Filipinos... yes no efren no django... so what... there are more young good players from The Pinas coming out...
let's not live in the past... the present says it all... i would'nt even be surprise for the taiwainese to come up strong for this coming WPC...
too bad, i wish Corey Deuel plays the same way he played when he won the US Open... i love that guys play
really smooth... wish that he gets his game back...i'm looking forward to see him play and get more t.v. coverage for the WPC... that if he advances.. i wish he does hehe... go corey win or lose!
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John Barton said:
The U.S. players had a monopoly on the World 9 Ball Championship title from 1962 until 1993, when Fong Pang Chao won his 1st World Championship. Starting in 1993, here's a list of the World 9 Ball Champions.
***In 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 & 1999, there were 2 "World Championships" held in each of those years. Think of how boxing is today, with splintered titles.
1993 Fong Pang Chao Johnny Archer
1994 Earl Strickland Takeshi Okumura
1995 Johnny Archer Oliver Ortmann
1996 Ralf Souquet Rudolfo Luat
1997 Johnny Archer
1998 Kunihiko Takahashi
1999 Nick Varner Efren Reyes
2000 Fong Pang Chao
2001 Mika Immonen
2002 Earl Strickland
2003 Thorsten Hohmann
2004 Alex Pagulayan
2005 Chia Ching Wu
2006 Ronnie Alcano
So out of 19 possible champions, America has 6. And only one since 1999.
The tide has turned.
As for putting Americans in against the Taiwanese, that would be very nice to watch. Since Yang is the top money player until he's beaten, I'de like to see him matched up against Corey Deuel. Rodney would also be great to see in the box. But, I still think Yang would have to be the favorite. He's peaking now while I think Rodney's best days are just behind him. Corey is still streaky, but he hasn't fared well in majors lately, which is a good barometer of where his game is now. His money matchup at The Action Report Challlenge vs Shane Van Boening should be a great litmus test for both of these great players.
John, how are Americans viewed (pool wise) over there? Is there a big difference between how the Taiwanese and the Chinese feel about us?
John Barton said:
I think if they had more coverage, they would be more feared and respected than they are even now. If they played inthe DerbyCity and US Open, it would help them show off their skills. Why don't they travel more?
Terry Ardeno said:
World Pool Championship Previous Winners
YEAR CHAMPION RUNNER-UP VENUE
2005 Wu Chia-ching (Taiwan) Kuo Po-cheng (Taiwan) Kaohsiung, Chinese Taipei
2004 Alex Pagulayan (Canada/Philippines) Pei-wei Chang (Taiwan) Taipei, Chinese Taipei
2003 Thorsten Hohmann (Germany) Alex Pagulayan (Canada/Philippines) Cardiff, Wales
2002 Earl Strickland (USA) Francisco Bustamante (Philippines) Cardiff, Wales
2001 Mika Immonen (Finland) Ralf Souquet (Germany) Cardiff, Wales
2000 Fong Pang Chao (Taiwan) Ismael Paez (Mexico) Cardiff, Wales
1999 Efren Reyes (Philippines) Hao-ping Chang (Taiwan) Cardiff, Wales
1999 Nick Varner (USA) Jeremy Jones (USA) Alicante, Spain
1998 Kunihiko Takahashi (Japan) Johnny Archer (USA) Taipei, Taiwan
1997 Johnny Archer (USA) Kun-Fang Lee (Taiwan) Illinois, USA
1996 Ralf Souquet (Germany) Tom Storm (Sweden) Borlange, Sweden
1995 Oliver Ortmann (Germany) Dallas West (USA) Taipei, Taiwan
1994 Takeshi Okumura (Japan) Yasunari Itsuzaki (Japan) Illinois, USA
1993 Fong-Pang Chao (Taiwan) Thomas Hasch (Germany Konigswinter, Germany
1992 Johnny Archer (USA) Bobby Hunter (USA) Taipei, Taiwan
1991 Earl Strickland (USA) Nick Varner (USA) Las Vegas, USA
1990 Earl Strickland (USA) Jeff Carter (USA) Bergheim, Germany
And YES, Earl is the best 9-ball player of all time.
I'm not so sure if Camel World Open 9-Ball Championship have the same weight as WPC which was won by Luat in 1996, Efren Reyes won the Camel World 9-Ball Championship (Camel Tournament Finals, I guess) in the same year.
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Terry Ardeno said:
Shouldn't Ronnie Alcano be in the Philippines bracket?
Terry Ardeno said:
I agree 100%. The depth of the Taiwanese line-up is scary. I can't think of any other country with that many world-class players, except maybe the Philippines, and possibly the US, although in recent years not that many Americans have done well in world tournaments.
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