"gummy" shaft

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A question about a shaft: The story is a little long winded because it has been going on for awhile but basically I want to know what the "gum" is and how to deal with it.

I bought a moderately priced cue awhile back to play with until I get around to making one for myself. I had also been experimenting with Slipstic so I wanted to use it on this shaft. When the stick arrived I cleaned the shaft with Cueman's shaft cleaner, several wipe downs with a barely damp rag, and two times with Slipstic's cleaner which is similar to naphtha, and then applied the Slipstic. The shaft has always gotten gummy after I played with it for an hour or so, particularly near the tip.

I changed tips and ferules last night, also shortening the shaft slightly as I had ordered a long one to see how it played. When I retapered slightly for six or eight inches and sanded down through 2000 grit the shaft appeared very smooth and even.

I wiped the sanding dust off and burnishing the shaft. After maybe ten to fifteen seconds it was like I tried to burnish over wet glue! Sticking everywhere and something gummy and rough all over the shaft. There was also a section that had some glazed looking areas as if varnish had only been partially sanded off of some other type of wood work. Cleaned this off as best I could, sanded a bit more and tried burnishing again. Same result. I decided to see if I could simply burnish until whatever was on the shaft got hot enough to break down and come off. It didn't do that but it did start turning black. This turning black does remind me of granulated sugar which goes from a gummy mess to black as it burns, I believe at fairly low temperatures.

The only somewhat saving grace is this is my shaft and not a customers. Anybody know what this could be? Sugar from the shaft? Nelsonite or something else the shaft maker used? Slipstic?

My only thought as to how to deal with it is to clean it off once again, light sand, and very light burnishing and see how that works. However I am open to ideas and I would like a solution to get rid of whatever this is that seems to be leeching out of the shaft because I think that is also what makes it get gummy while playing.

Thanks for any help or suggestions,
Hu
 
Does it have an orange cast to it like the wood may have been impregnated with something or did it look like raw wood...how old is the shaft? Maybe a good rub down with some steaming hot water on a towel...
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I haven't used Slip stic but I used "q-glide" and I had the same thing happen to me. I have since went back to strictly very fine sanding and finsihing it with a good burnishing from leather.


Smooth as glass and no sticky nastiness.
 
fairly new shaft

showboat said:
Does it have an orange cast to it like the wood may have been impregnated with something or did it look like raw wood...how old is the shaft? Maybe a good rub down with some steaming hot water on a towel...

It is maybe three months old and lightly played, maybe twenty hours total. I didn't see any color cast to it except it was a little cloudy looking when it was thick, more whitish gray than anything else.

I'm going to microwave a damp rag and give it a good scrubbing with some seriously hot damp cloth and see what happens.

Hu
 
I agree

shooter777 said:
I haven't used Slip stic but I used "q-glide" and I had the same thing happen to me. I have since went back to strictly very fine sanding and finsihing it with a good burnishing from leather.


Smooth as glass and no sticky nastiness.

I used to sand and burnish my shafts slick as a baby's butt and not nearly this aggravation. Always looking for that something better though. I had retapered another shaft right before this one and I have to say that after burnishing, waxing with Cueman's wax, and burnishing again in the lathe the one I retapered sure feels slick. Have to see how it holds up though.

Thanks'
Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I wiped the sanding dust off and burnishing the shaft. After maybe ten to fifteen seconds it was like I tried to burnish over wet glue! Sticking everywhere and something gummy and rough all over the shaft. There was also a section that had some glazed looking areas as if varnish had only been partially sanded off of some other type of wood work. Cleaned this off as best I could, sanded a bit more and tried burnishing again. Same result.

Hu

Hu, perhaps the shaft was coated with UV clearcoat and not cured properly.
UV can cure on the top and not in the wood grain if not exposed to the UntraViolet light for long enough. Just a thought.
 
> That gummy,whitish looking stuff has come up on me before,and is usually a residue from sanding dust,moisture/water,and a film left by the Magic Eraser,but it only comes up when cleaning,never seen it once I got the shaft cleaned. Tommy D.
 
Thanks everyone for the thoughts and comments

I lightly sanded the area today after applying a very hot damp cloth yesterday and wiping the stick down. That did appear to clean off the gunk but the grain seemed raised in that area. No idea if that is because the gunk raised the grain as it came out or if the water raised it but I haven't had a barely damp steaming hot rag raise the grain that much in the past. Anyway I will see how it goes. I hope to put a few hours in with the shaft tomorrow. This area is now very close to the tip so I shouldn't be on it too much regardless.

Hu
 
billfishhead said:
before you eat up too many cues with sandpaper,,,,,,,,,,,,,,let a real cue maker recondition the shaft

True....rule #1 is to never use sandpaper on a shaft after it's been finished by the maker....use the back side of the sandpaper to burnish the raised grain back down....or a piece of leather....
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Thanks

billfishhead said:
before you eat up too many cues with sandpaper,,,,,,,,,,,,,,let a real cue maker recondition the shaft

I have been straightening out sticks behind real cue makers for awhile now. With years of ultra precision machine experience behind me I am less than impressed with the work I have seen from many real cue makers. I fail to see what a real cue maker can do that I can't do on my Cuesmith Deluxe or the metal lathes I use.

Comments always appreciated, I have to admit some are more helpful than others though.

Hu
 
can't actually burnish

showboat said:
True....rule #1 is to never use sandpaper on a shaft after it's been finished by the maker....use the back side of the sandpaper to burnish the raised grain back down....or a piece of leather....

I can't actually burnish this shaft, with heat the gummy crap resurfaces. I am going to go through a few more cycles of burnish and clean when I have time to get a little more of the gum off near the tip but cleaning and sanding up and down the retapered area of the shaft with 1500 and 2000 grit made it reasonably playable.

I will bear in mind your comment about avoiding sanding when possible. This shaft needed a slight retaper after shortening and replacing tip and ferule so it had to be sanded. I think what I am learning is that there are a lot less headaches and surprises to cue making than cue repair.

Thanks for your assistance,
Hu
 
the fact that it keeps coming back whenever friction heat is applied makes me think that the shaft has been pressure sealed with something...I've heard of this being done before...
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Sticky Stuff

It almost sounds as if the wood was never properly cured and still "green". :eek: Once heat would b created, the moisture ("sap") would ooze out and b sticky. Natural moisture within the wood would contain some sugar content. Never heard of anything like that before, but stranger things have happened. I have used Magic Eraser many times to remove the dirt/grime/chalk from shafts and have never had a problem as u describe. I have also used Q Wax without any problems. The only other possibility would b that the shaft had been "treated" with something prior to u receiving it. However, I would think that your sanding should have removed anything like that unless it was pressure treated. Let us know if u find out about this problem. I'm very curious. :confused:
 
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one of the things I speculated about

The gunk does share some of the properties of sugar but it would seem that it would have had to have been an extremely green shaft or else after drying it was treated with something that penetrated and is interacting with the dried sap in the wood, basically bringing it back to life when heat is formed.

I would think that a Magic Eraser had never been around this wood. I know it hasn't since I bought it new but of course I have no way of knowing what the maker may have done.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Hu


Subsonic2u said:
It almost sounds as if the wood was never properly cured and still "green". :eek: Once heat would b created, the moisture ("sap") would ooze out and b sticky. Natural moisture within the wood would contain some sugar content. Never heard of anything like that before, but stranger things have happened. I have used Magic Eraser many times to remove the dirt/grime/chalk from shafts and have never had a problem as u describe. I have also used Q Wax without any problems. The only other possibility would b that the shaft had been "treated" with something prior to u receiving it. However, I would think that your sanding should have removed anything like that unless it was pressure treated. Let us know if u find out about this problem. I'm very curious. :confused:
 
A possibility too

showboat said:
the fact that it keeps coming back whenever friction heat is applied makes me think that the shaft has been pressure sealed with something...I've heard of this being done before...

It does seem to be something deeper inside the wood rather than a surface or very near surface coating. I hadn't heard of pressure sealing but it would seem like a reasonable way to increase penetration. Could take things a little further; a little heat, a little pressure, works for fried chicken!

This shaft did come with an inexpensive stick and I am finding corners cut lots of places. Good chance that a few corners were cut on material too.

Hu
 
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