Had a debate with a friend about Max Eberle...

Opinion of Max Eberle's fundamentals and stroke

  • Outstanding fundamentals and stroke.

    Votes: 33 71.7%

  • Average professional fundamentals and stroke.

    Votes: 8 17.4%

  • Below average fundamentals and stroke

    Votes: 2 4.3%

  • I dislike his fundamentals and stroke.

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • Total voters
    46
TrumanHW

TrumanHW

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Who said he thinks Max' fundamentals are "ugly" and his stroke "isn't smooth". He also said, "I said if his fundamentals are so good like you claim then why doesn't he win more?"

Personally, I think Max's fundamentals and stroke are absolutely top notch.

Anyone else want to offer their opinion?
 
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TrumanHW said:
Who said he thinks Max' fundamentals are "ugly" and his stroke "isn't smooth". He also said, "I said if his fundamentals are so good like you claim then why doesn't he win more?"

Personally, I think Max's fundamentals and stroke are absolutely top notch.

Anyone else want to offer their opinion?
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I agree with you; Max's fundamentals are 'top-notch.'
However, I don't think having excellent fundamentals necessarily translates into wins.

Some players play well (and have outstanding fundamentals) yet never win tournaments of consequence.

Fundamentals, for the most part, are learned; winning is earned. Just ask SVB.
 
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Zen of pool gonna jump and put some heavy karma on yo' friend with a little ying and yang on his ying-yang.
 
You make a good point,

boogeyman said:
I agree with you; Max's fundamentals are 'top-notch.'
However, I don't think having excellent fundamentals necessarily translates into wins.

Some players play well (and have outstanding fundamentals) yet never win tournaments of consequence.

Fundamentals, for the most part, are learned; winning is earned. Just ask SVB.
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You hit it on the head..., I have a friend that is a B player, he has a great stroke, its near perfect, yet he is always trying to improve it to the point that he cant move the rest of his game forward. He shoots as straight as any one in the world, but he misses like everybody else and when he does he says he cat win until he gets his stroke together????

My stroke is terrible and I do intend to fix/improve/straighten it, but I do run out, I beat him as much as he beats me and have a better record against some of the same people in our area.

Stroke, important, but it wont get you across the finish line.
 
Max really works on his game a lot, he is a bit like Neils in that matter is that he studies and breaks down his stoke and basically anything that happens on the table, and off the table that will help him focus. Eating right, exercise, meditation, whatever.

I don't watch him play that much so I don't want to vote but from what I have seen and read about him, his fundamentals are as good as anyone else in the game.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Max really works on his game a lot, he is a bit like Neils in that matter is that he studies and breaks down his stoke and basically anything that happens on the table, and off the table that will help him focus. Eating right, exercise, meditation, whatever.

I don't watch him play that much so I don't want to vote but from what I have seen and read about him, his fundamentals are as good as anyone else in the game.
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I've seen him play several times ,, he is as sound as they come


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About 3 years ago, I had an opportunity to watch Max play at Turning Stone Casino in the Joss Tournament. Max was down 8-2 in a race to 9 against Tom McGonagle. Max fought back with nothing but superb play to tie the score at 8-8. The final rack, Max sliced an 8 ball down the rail off the second diamond @ nearly a 90 degree angle from the opposite side rail. The cue ball went back and forth a few times and left Max with a difficult 9 for the win. He made it. Those Diamond tables require you to hit the pocket.
Anybody that doesn't think Max Eberle is a deadly shooter and tactician, will probably be his rack boy.
 
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In my opinion natural talent why some are better players than other despite excellence in fundamentals! To me awesome feel for cue like a part of your arm over rules fundamentals and aiming systems. Cant explain why. Again think it boils down to natural ability.
 
TX Poolnut said:
Here's Max running a full 15-ball rack in rotation. The rack is full of great stroke shooting and a nice kick when he overruns position. I think he shoots wonderfully. The best shots start after the 8-ball.

Enjoy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5zvMgMhlE
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Max is a great player but that youtube example might be the worst example you could have picked for him. If my knowledge of Max Eberle was limited to that video (it isn't) I'd rate him a B+ who miraculously got out that rack despite poor position play and a bit of a lucky kick.

To boot, he fouled on the 14 (practice strokes -- moved the cue ball). Again that makes him look extremely amateurish. How often do you see professionals accidentally foul and hit the cueball during their practice strokes?

Clearly, he's a much better player than that video would have us believe.
 
Here is a vid of Max playing one hole. He shot balls into one pocket for quite awhile.
If I remember correctly three racks in a row and then ran out of Battery on the camera but kept going. I always wondered how many more balls he made after the camera quit.

I counted 45 in a row.

The other two racks are also available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAd8HqmkUpw
 
King T said:
You hit it on the head..., I have a friend that is a B player, he has a great stroke, its near perfect, yet he is always trying to improve it to the point that he cant move the rest of his game forward. He shoots as straight as any one in the world, but he misses like everybody else and when he does he says he cat win until he gets his stroke together????

My stroke is terrible and I do intend to fix/improve/straighten it, but I do run out, I beat him as much as he beats me and have a better record against some of the same people in our area.

Stroke, important, but it wont get you across the finish line.
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So well stated.

Stroke is at the starting line.

randyg
 
Max has never had an issue with his stroke or fundamentals. He has great skills on the 4 1/2 x 9. Why doesn't he win more? His issues are in the 5x8 sitting on top of his neck.
 
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It's surprising that so many people say this chanpion or that champion wins and his fumdamentals aren't correct. The forget or don't know that he has a natural talent/ability that enables him to win even with bad fundamentals. There isn't anyone who plays well despite fundamental flaws who wouldn't play/have played better without them. One case in point is Keith McCready.
 
Doug said:
It's surprising that so many people say this chanpion or that champion wins and his fumdamentals aren't correct. The forget or don't know that he has a natural talent/ability that enables him to win even with bad fundamentals. There isn't anyone who plays well despite fundamental flaws who wouldn't play/have played better without them. One case in point is Keith McCready.
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Mike Davis agrees with you. :)
 
shinobi said:
Max is a great player but that youtube example might be the worst example you could have picked for him. If my knowledge of Max Eberle was limited to that video (it isn't) I'd rate him a B+ who miraculously got out that rack despite poor position play and a bit of a lucky kick.

To boot, he fouled on the 14 (practice strokes -- moved the cue ball). Again that makes him look extremely amateurish. How often do you see professionals accidentally foul and hit the cueball during their practice strokes?

Clearly, he's a much better player than that video would have us believe.
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I didn't see the foul on the 14-ball. The stroke must have hypnotized me.
 
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