Hand Position during the stroke:

justnum

justnum

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Due to the repetitive nature of shooting pool, it can be easy to overlook fundamentals if you have good outcomes. Shooters pocket shots mean they did it right.

If your elbow is 90 degrees at contact between cue and cue ball that is maximum power transfer.

If you adjust for contact to happen before 90 degrees, you may lose power but gain more control.

This works best on shots where the cue and object are close together. (Ex: Avoiding a double hit)

I feel at 90 degrees or after I go from a tricep to bicep motion. This transition in muscle group has been the cause of many errors on easy shots.

Any ideas on the impact of muscle groups on stroke?

I am not at the level where every shot is as easy as every other shot. But I do feel the muscle thing impacting me when I miss.

I know practice helps, but practicing the right techniques could save more time. Any ideas?
 
Search for the elbow dropping madness thread from 2010. Lots of info.


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greyghost said:
Search for the elbow dropping madness thread from 2010. Lots of info.


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It is 2018 maybe other people have made some new discoveries since.

This is an interactive reader/writer community, some threads should be recurring.

It benefits new people because they get the 101 info. Older people can update on their previously stated theories and if they played out.
 
justnum said:
Due to the repetitive nature of shooting pool, it can be easy to overlook fundamentals if you have good outcomes. Shooters pocket shots mean they did it right.

If your elbow is 90 degrees at contact between cue and cue ball that is maximum power transfer.

If you adjust for contact to happen before 90 degrees, you may lose power but gain more control.

This works best on shots where the cue and object are close together. (Ex: Avoiding a double hit)

I feel at 90 degrees or after I go from a tricep to bicep motion. This transition in muscle group has been the cause of many errors on easy shots.

Any ideas on the impact of muscle groups on stroke?

Your muscle groups are just fine. What the issue may be is you haven't selected a Trigger Finger yet. The trigger finger gets the cue moving forward, there is very little use of the lower bicep. On easy or short shots just using the trigger finger will get the job done. You just have to practice squeezing the trigger.........not pulling the trigger. My trigger is my index finger, some may use the middle finger or ring finger.
Check out Barry Stark on YouTube, he has a few videos that address this issue.
The feeling of squeezing the trigger is the same feeling when firing a weapon.

I am not at the level where every shot is as easy as every other shot. But I do feel the muscle thing impacting me when I miss.

I know practice helps, but practicing the right techniques could save more time. Any ideas?
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See above.

John :)
 
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justnum said:
Due to the repetitive nature of shooting pool, it can be easy to overlook fundamentals if you have good outcomes. Shooters pocket shots mean they did it right.

If your elbow is 90 degrees at contact between cue and cue ball that is maximum power transfer.

If you adjust for contact to happen before 90 degrees, you may lose power but gain more control.

This works best on shots where the cue and object are close together. (Ex: Avoiding a double hit)

I feel at 90 degrees or after I go from a tricep to bicep motion. This transition in muscle group has been the cause of many errors on easy shots.

Any ideas on the impact of muscle groups on stroke?

I am not at the level where every shot is as easy as every other shot. But I do feel the muscle thing impacting me when I miss.

I know practice helps, but practicing the right techniques could save more time. Any ideas?
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I know this probably isn't all that helpful but I will type it anyway. If you're thinking about this stuff while you're playing you are in big trouble. Pool should become auto-pilot. If it doesn't you'll find yourself over analyzing and causing more issues than you had.
Everyone has their own style / rhythm. You just need to find yours, what works for you, and run with it.
 
Koop said:
I know this probably isn't all that helpful but I will type it anyway. If you're thinking about this stuff while you're playing you are in big trouble. Pool should become auto-pilot. If it doesn't you'll find yourself over analyzing and causing more issues than you had.
Everyone has their own style / rhythm. You just need to find yours, what works for you, and run with it.
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If you think no pro's think about their stance, grip, arm angle when they are shooting, you'd be wrong. Some do, some don't. just like amateur players.

I'm always ensure my grip is perfect during my practice strokes. I have a logo on my shaft and ONLY shoot with it centered upwards so I can see if the cue has any movement during my warm up strokes. 95% of the time it won't. 5% if will. I fix those 5% of the times before I pull the trigger.

Removes any doubt from my mind when I pull the trigger that everything is right, all systems go. On a long, tough shot, who wants even the least bit of doubt.
 
Koop said:
I know this probably isn't all that helpful but I will type it anyway. If you're thinking about this stuff while you're playing you are in big trouble. Pool should become auto-pilot. If it doesn't you'll find yourself over analyzing and causing more issues than you had.
Everyone has their own style / rhythm. You just need to find yours, what works for you, and run with it.
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^^^

What he said...
 
I have seen so many styles of players far better than I, I say:
Just walk. Dont worry about how your toes are pointed.
 
justnum said:
Due to the repetitive nature of shooting pool, it can be easy to overlook fundamentals if you have good outcomes. Shooters pocket shots mean they did it right.

This is so far from invalid....at least ad consistency under pressure as a control.

If your elbow is 90 degrees at contact between cue and cue ball that is maximum power transfer.

That’s it? That’s the whole point
max power tansfer? Or peak acceleration point for any given speed shot and delivery?

Power meh....I’m sure we can agree everyone past a 4sp can hit the ever living bejesus out of that CB

If you adjust for contact to happen before 90 degrees, you may lose power but gain more control.

What kind of power like hit it hard or can put strong draw and English?

What about fouetté shots? Those don’t sacrifice either?

This works best on shots where the cue and object are close together. (Ex: Avoiding a double hit)

Jerking the stroke to a stop? Like stab stab?

Why are you killing whitey?
Why you having to stall your motion and the cue? Doesn’t this limit your shot choices in those situations?

I feel at 90 degrees or after I go from a tricep to bicep motion. This transition in muscle group has been the cause of many errors on easy shots.

That’s right because your forearm was just swinging or trying to just start and swing it’s momentum ....ride the natural acceleration to its end and let the stroke be there....before other body parts can influence the cues trajectory


Any ideas on the impact of muscle groups on stroke?

I am not at the level where every shot is as easy as every other shot. But I do feel the muscle thing impacting me when I miss.

I know practice helps, but practicing the right techniques could save more time. Any ideas?
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I want to know what the correct techniques are for a change of technique on every shot as well.


One can ALWAYS accelerate through the cue ball.....doesn’t matter how close they are or if the tip can only go 1cm past it’s center....and still strike the shot with the forearm/cradle in the plumb 90deg.

Draw is one thing but why swing too fast to hit a ball too hard only to have to put brakes on it before the 90 to “break check” your cb forward rolling motion/speed/distance?????


What’s so enjoyable about that? Screeching the grip to a hault like a batter nearly caught up chasing an errant pitch. is it scary so therefore best to sneak up on those shots?

Has any one ever tired Quieter shoes?


Tip toe through the window.....





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I strive to always keep my elbow at 90 degrees even if I move my hand up the cue butt
where my hand is at the top of the wrap shooting at a cue ball frozen on the rail at the
object 4 diamonds away on a tough cut........the finesse shots......my pendelum may be
shorter with those type shots but I still strive to maintain a 90 degree elbow posture. Very
few shots will require a forward hand position placed in front of your armpit vs. underneath.
 
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