Hardest Hitting Cue

Jeff

Jeff

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What's the hardest hitting cue you've ever played with?

What cue makers are known for stiff hard hitting cues?
 
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Searing and Tascarella-pretty close hits, but I'm not sure what you mean by hard hitting. Everyone has different percetion of what is hard..........well you know what I mean.
 
I have a Mark Smith cue and that has a really solid firm hit with a lot of feedback.
 
Josey is the hardest hitting cue I ever played with and liked. I have played with hard hitting cues that have a feel like bamboo, break like a champ, but you have no feel at all (my Thompson sneaky is kinda like that).

That is not at all the case with Josey cues. I would definately buy another Josey. The joint screws together so tight, I think that is how he accomplishes the hard hit. But the shaft still has some nice feel to it.

I vote for Josey for best feeling Hard hitting cue.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Yes. Very stiff, low deflection and great feedback.
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Ah, deflection! :D

Why don't we say what most people mean by this esoteric term?

Obviously, JoeyInCali means the cue is so stiff it doesn't bend, or deflect, and when smacking yo cueball, the stick doesn't flinch one whit.

However, many others mean when a cue is a low deflection cue that it doesn't squirt the cue ball too far off a straight line course when struck with sidespin, or english.

So.... When you get one of those stiff mothers that doesn't deflect, it usually means a cue that is like a ramrod, or a crowbar.

All that being said, it's possible to have a very stiff cue that doesn't squirt the cueball much at all, due to various tricks of the trade, like boring out the first 5 inches or so of the shaft, ala Predator...

So, what do you like? A stiff, squirty cue? Or a stiff, low-squirt cue? Or a whippy shafted cue that squirts the cue ball even less but is "high deflection" because it flops all around?

LOL

Flex
 
Flex said:
Ah, deflection! :D

Why don't we say what most people mean by this esoteric term?

Obviously, JoeyInCali means the cue is so stiff it doesn't bend, or deflect, and when smacking yo cueball, the stick doesn't flinch one whit.

However, many others mean when a cue is a low deflection cue that it doesn't squirt the cue ball too far off a straight line course when struck with sidespin, or english.

So.... When you get one of those stiff mothers that doesn't deflect, it usually means a cue that is like a ramrod, or a crowbar.

All that being said, it's possible to have a very stiff cue that doesn't squirt the cueball much at all, due to various tricks of the trade, like boring out the first 5 inches or so of the shaft, ala Predator...

So, what do you like? A stiff, squirty cue? Or a stiff, low-squirt cue? Or a whippy shafted cue that squirts the cue ball even less but is "high deflection" because it flops all around?

LOL

Flex
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I can play with most anything, but I like a forward weighted, softer hit, low deflection. The way I can tell if I like a cue is by hitting a firm, high inside, spin shot about 2 feet away on the rail. That's the shot thats a dead give away if I can play with a cue or not. It's also the shot I hit real well when I'm in stroke...........:D

Gerry
 
I think you can have a cue that both feel’s solid and firm and has enough deflection so you can put real English on the CB, the build of the butt combined with a good shaft I think assures that. I have cues that have 13mm shafts that play softer then a cue with 12,5mm shafts, so the materials and how the cue was made I think has as much to do with how the cue feel’s.
 
Addicted2CuesRU said:
Josey is the hardest hitting cue I ever played with and liked. I have played with hard hitting cues that have a feel like bamboo, break like a champ, but you have no feel at all (my Thompson sneaky is kinda like that).

That is not at all the case with Josey cues. I would definately buy another Josey. The joint screws together so tight, I think that is how he accomplishes the hard hit. But the shaft still has some nice feel to it.

I vote for Josey for best feeling Hard hitting cue.
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I myself shoot with a Josey. I bought it from a fellow AZ'er it is a 2002 model with a Radial Pin but I believe either newer or older (not sure) have a different pin. I know this because I Emailed Kieth Josey to get joint protectors and he asked which pin I had. I don't remember which the other was, maybe 5/16 14. I recently put a 314 on it and love the way it feels. But I geuss my piont or question is; won't the different pins affect the hit of the cue?
 
scruggs

I hit with one that had a coco joint i dont think he does those joints anymore hardest hitting cue ever!
 
Flex said:
Ah, deflection! :D

Why don't we say what most people mean by this esoteric term?

Obviously, JoeyInCali means the cue is so stiff it doesn't bend, or deflect, and when smacking yo cueball, the stick doesn't flinch one whit.

However, many others mean when a cue is a low deflection cue that it doesn't squirt the cue ball too far off a straight line course when struck with sidespin, or english.

So.... When you get one of those stiff mothers that doesn't deflect, it usually means a cue that is like a ramrod, or a crowbar.

All that being said, it's possible to have a very stiff cue that doesn't squirt the cueball much at all, due to various tricks of the trade, like boring out the first 5 inches or so of the shaft, ala Predator...

So, what do you like? A stiff, squirty cue? Or a stiff, low-squirt cue? Or a whippy shafted cue that squirts the cue ball even less but is "high deflection" because it flops all around?

LOL

Flex
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No, I mean cueball deflection.
If you believe that stiff shafts have high cueball squirt ( those non-bored out front ones ) and whippy shafts have less cueball squirt, then these stiff cues are not for you.
Predator cues are not stiff imo. Not even close to being stiff having almost like a 15-inch barrel in front.
 
JoeyInCali said:
No, I mean cueball deflection.
If you believe that stiff shafts have high cueball squirt ( those non-bored out front ones ) and whippy shafts have less cueball squirt, then these stiff cues are not for you.
Predator cues are not stiff imo. Not even close to being stiff having almost like a 15-inch barrel in front.
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Joey, I agree with you totally, Predator is not a stiff hitting shaft in my opinion, it had almost the same taper as a Meucci when they first came out.

I can see why players like the hit, it has good feedback and offers lots of spin with little efforts. But I will never call it a stiff hitting shaft. It is one of the softest shaft out there in my opinion. I know some players prefer a shorter taper because they like that better for straight in shots. Those players usually do not like a Predator shaft in my experience. I have said this before and I will say it again, whether a shaft is soft or hard does not really imply anything about its playability. It is all a subjective preference.

With regards to hard hitting, what does that mean? I am not sure if we can all understand this term and agree on the meaning of it.

If you are asking about a stiff hitting shaft as in a shaft with little vibration, I will say Mike Lambros is right up there. I have tried one Lambros shaft which I could not even bend with my hand if I try, I am dead serious. Some people think this kind of shaft give a lot of "power." It is all subjective.

I think Tad has a "hard" hit, I am referring to the way the cue hit overall, with a metal joint, and an ivory ferrule. It hits real "hard." I am not sure how to articulate my impression. But this is very subjective.

One thing about a Tad is that it has a lot of squirt so if you are into "low deflection" this is not for you. But I never understood and still do not understand why anyone would solely use "low deflection" as the only parameter to judge the playability of a cue. But to each his own.

I think a Josey is a solid hitting cue but it is not a very "hard hitting" cue in my opinion. Its hit is kind of quiet and the taper is not really that short. But that is just my subjective impressive.

Bluegrass is usually being considered as a stiff hitting cue. Its taper is a bit different from the conventional tapers used by other cue makers when making a cue for 9 ball. It is almost like the combination of two conical tapers on top of each other. I like the hit of a Bluegrass, but again, it is subjective.

I do not like a conical taper although I know it is regarded by some as a very stiff taper, I find this kind of taper lacking the "live" one needs in playing 9 ball. I do not even like it in a breaking cue.

I am sorry, I actually do not really understand the question. What is "hard hitting?"

Thank you.

Richard
 
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nipponbilliards said:
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With regards to hard hitting, what does that mean? I am not sure if we can all understand this term and agree on the meaning of it.
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Bingo!

Many of these terms people use to describe "hit" suffer from this. It's funny to read these threads, because if you pay attention you will find opposite attributions assigned to the same adjective:

hard = more feedback to the rear hand
soft = more feedback to the rear hand

You will find some people who equate hard with stiff and soft with whippy and others who think hard/soft and stiff/whippy are two independent things. To some people a hard hit is the higher frequency ting sound you can get by putting a hard enough tip on any cue.

To some people whippy means easy to bend. To others it means low bending frequency.

Some people still think stiff cues squirt more.

Other people think they can get more action on the cueball with a particular taper, a particular tip, a particular ferrule, a particular joint, or a particular song on the juke box.

There's a lot of malarky around here...

mike page
fargo
 
hilarious

2 times I put out a post trying to find out which cues
were stiff & which cues soft. !st time- no response.
2nd time I was told it was a bad question. In the past
week somebody asks about soft hitting cues & now somebody
asks about stiff cues and both get all kinds of response.
So.... A. maybe I had to break the question down or.... B. I'm
just not worthy.
 
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