Has anyone here gone to the Cue U pool school?

Flex

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It's in Rockford, Illinois. Here's a link: http://www.cue-u.com/

How good was it, did you learn a lot, did your game improve?

Would you recommend it to someone who is already a pretty strong player?

Flex
 
I sure hope that no answers on this is not a negative indication as to the quality of the school. A friend who has no access to the web asked me to check out the reputation of the school, and to get back to him. The only thing I know of the school is what I saw on the website, and given the cost of attending the school is nothing cheap, and I didn't see any promises of satisfaction guaranteed, or of professionals who've benefitted from the instruction there, it has given me pause.

Are my concerns reasonable?

Thanks,

Flex
 
well it is kind of odd. Considering the school is in a fixed location doesnt lend itself to alot of people attending i suppose. I only was able to attend cue-tech because they came nearby on a tour. But you would think someone who is "into" pool enough to attend a school would be "into" it enough to be a member of a pool msg board like this. Have you tried posting on ccb or doing searches?
 
This friend doesn't have a computer and doesn't want to, either. But he sure plays a lot of pool, and is no slouch.

I may do some searches and check out CCB as well. I just thought that there was probably someone on here who has gone to the school who could vouch for it.

Flex
 
The web site looks impressive and I would take the chance...

The cost doesn't seem out of line if they actually improve your game.

On the other hand... $550 could get you a fair amount of gambling experience... in the trenches, gaining experience is where you will ultimately raise your level.
 
BillYards said:
The web site looks impressive and I would take the chance...

The cost doesn't seem out of line if they actually improve your game.

On the other hand... $550 could get you a fair amount of gambling experience... in the trenches, gaining experience is where you will ultimately raise your level.

This friend has been at it for over 20 years, has taken lessons from Jerry Briesath, Don "The Preacher" Feeney, and others. He is probably a B+ to an A- player, plays in tournaments and knows his way around.

And Rockford is close enough for him to easily go there. But $550 isn't chump change, and he's no chump.

Just checking to see of other's positve experiences with the school. :)

Flex
 
Bob Radford is a BCA Master Instructor. I'm sure your friend could learn some things from him. If it were me, I'd call Bob, and ask him outright, what he could teach me, to justify the expense. IMO, it would be worth the money to go to Rockford...much moreso than using the $$$ to gamble.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowlege.com
 
Scott,

I just clicked the like to poolknowlege.com and it doesn't work. You need to add a "d" before the "g" in the word knowledge.

Flex
 
Flex said:
This friend has been at it for over 20 years, has taken lessons from Jerry Briesath, Don "The Preacher" Feeney, and others. He is probably a B+ to an A- player, plays in tournaments and knows his way around.

And Rockford is close enough for him to easily go there. But $550 isn't chump change, and he's no chump.

Just checking to see of other's positve experiences with the school. :)

Flex
If your friend is a pretty good player who has taken lessons from Brieseth & Feeney he would find Cue-U highly disappointing. I have a close friend who is a solid "B" player who tried the class and came away unhappy.

I have heard positive things about beginning players & Cue-U.

Duane
 
I just attended Cue U

Cue U located in Rockford, Illinois. It is about an hour or so west of O'Hare airport in Chicago. See http://www.cue-u.com/ I'd be happy to answer any specific questions folks might have, but here's my review...

It is run by Bob Radford, a voting member of BCA, and one of 11 BCA certified Master Instructors, and a nationally ranked referee. However, you learn all that by reading the website, as Bob and his instructors are quite low-key and don't spend time tooting their own horns - they focus on you and your game, and are very positive and supporting in their approach.

The classroom has about a dozen 9’ tables, all in pristine condition, as if new cloth were put on the day before, and the table re-leveled. You couldn’t possibly have complaints about the equipment. The class I attended had a total of 6 students, and had 6 instructors, so you are always getting personal observation from an instructor.

There are multiple levels of courses, I took course #1. I’ve been playing for 5 years, and I’m an SL5 in APA 8-ball, so it’s not like I am a beginner. In the DM Holiday Tournament held here on the AZ forum, I was about in the middle of the pack with a score in the high 400’s – a “developing pro.” However, I’ve also sort of hit a plateau, and haven’t really been able to move beyond this stage for the past year or more. So, I attended in hopes of learning what I need to do to become more consistent. Course #1, which they recommended, is their lowest level course, primarily devoted to proper technique, a solid foundation, which meant, at least for me, a significant number of small changes – too many for me to assimilate in one weekend! In effect, they break down your aim, approach, stance, stroke and follow through, keeping what’s good, and throwing out the rest. They have a definite point-of-view as to what proper technique is and is not; this contained some surprises for me… for example, I had been taught to use a closed (loop) bridge. They teach an open bridge – with this reasoning: the old masters, like Mosconi, who advocated a loop bridge, by and large came from a billiards background with heavier balls, more English, less precision in aim. However, the new masters, and best shooters are coming from a snooker background – smaller balls / more precision in aiming – and they all use an open bridge (watch Allison for example). The open bridge simply allows better vision across the top of the cue, better aim, better shot, more precise control of the cueball. They strongly advocate doing the same things every time to develop consistent results.

There is about a 50/50 split between “blackboard” sessions, taking notes, and time spent on the table, doing exercises so that you experience how their approach will feel and work for you. You are videotaped doing many of the exercises, then your tape is reviewed and critiqued in the blackboard sessions. This is an excellent feature, I think, as you just cannot beat seeing what you actually do – sometimes it isn’t what you think you are doing. Also, there is a fair amount of applied physics, learning why things work – for example why its harder to be precise when using draw (amazing self demonstration with a special cueball - even if you like using draw, you cannot help but be convinced by this one).

In this course, there are no strategy sessions, no trick shots, kicks, no banks, no trick shots, and no watching the instructors show off, either. In fact, it’s a rare moment when an instructor takes even one shot. It’s pretty business-like. There is a fair amount of time spent on mental preparation, attitude, and self-confidence.

I liken it to batting practice for baseball. If you are really a beginner, you obviously need it. If you are already well-schooled, then you probably need some diagnosis from time to time, and a minor correction or alteration (even the pros have hitting coaches) to get back on track. In my case, I wish I’d taken this course four or five years ago; it’s easier to set good habits to start than to break your bad ones later. So, now I’ve got a notebook full of things to work on; I’m going to try to assimilate them into my game one at a time until I finish the checklist I have in my course notebook (partial list: open bridge, shorter bridge, longer pause, finish fully, stay down longer…)

I don’t recommend taking this course the week before you have to play for the league championship, or a tournament – you’re going to be a bit mixed up between your old habits and the ones you know you should have, and this will leave you thinking about technique and not the match – and like Yogi says, “you can’t think and hit at the same time.”

In my case, I think the $$$ was better spent here than learning by playing for money. If you are really a strong pro-caliber player, like the guy on this thread w/ 20 years experience, then you’ll either find this too basic or an excellent refresher, depending upon your attitude. There are however, two more advanced courses beyond this one which might be more suited to you – and you should discuss this with Bob, of course. He also does one-on-one coaching with professional players.

Of interest, but having nothing to do with the school itself… On another floor of the building, Bob also maintains an incredible collection of about 30 restored antique pool tables, dating back into the early 1800’s. They all look brand new. Spectacular.
 
Hope you don't mind that I bumped this thread, I was just looking around at different schools, maybe someone else has an opinion. Sounds like they have a good teacher/student ratio for a school. Interesting that it sounds like they teach solely an open bridge, I'm a relative beginner but am starting to become comfortable with a closed bridge (was never able to do it right with a house cue). What is the approach of most instructors concerning the bridge? Teach one or both, let the student decide what's comfortable?

Opinions on this school or on teaching the bridge?
 
Ever Consider Private Lessons???

I took private lesson from a certified BCA instructor and it definitely helped my game, so have you considered private lessons?

I've found private lesson to be more flexible, because you can schedule what day and time, and how many times a week or month you want to meet. I initially met with my instructor once a week (Saturday or Sunday) and as we progressed, it went to twice a month and then eventually down to once a month for refresher lessons.

My instructor charged me $50 for a one hour lesson, but if we went over an hour (which we usually did initially), he didn't care, and didn't charge me extra, because he said he was more interested in my improvement... That one on one attention really made a difference in my game... Plus, he would video tape me, and at the end of each lesson, we would review the tape so I could see what I was doing wrong, as well as right.

Anyway, to find a BCA certified and active instructor near you:

Visit the BCA website: http://www.bca-pool.com/

Then CLICK on "Play"
Then CLICK on "Instruction"
Then CLICK on "Active Instructors"

Or here's the direct link to the BCA list of certified (active) instructors:

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/instruction/BCA_Instructors_Active.htm

Ed (who is still a work in progress)
 
PKM said:
Hope you don't mind that I bumped this thread, I was just looking around at different schools, maybe someone else has an opinion. Sounds like they have a good teacher/student ratio for a school. Interesting that it sounds like they teach solely an open bridge, I'm a relative beginner but am starting to become comfortable with a closed bridge (was never able to do it right with a house cue). What is the approach of most instructors concerning the bridge? Teach one or both, let the student decide what's comfortable?

Opinions on this school or on teaching the bridge?

You should learn to play with all five bridges. I use the open bridge about 70% of the time......SPF=randyg
 
BillYards said:
The web site looks impressive and I would take the chance...

The cost doesn't seem out of line if they actually improve your game.

On the other hand... $550 could get you a fair amount of gambling experience... in the trenches, gaining experience is where you will ultimately raise your level.


Three days vs three years, maybe....randyg
 
Flex said:
It's in Rockford, Illinois. Here's a link: http://www.cue-u.com/

How good was it, did you learn a lot, did your game improve?

Would you recommend it to someone who is already a pretty strong player?

Flex

Bob has different levels, call him.....SPF=randyg
 
BillYards said:
The web site looks impressive and I would take the chance...

The cost doesn't seem out of line if they actually improve your game.

On the other hand... $550 could get you a fair amount of gambling experience... in the trenches, gaining experience is where you will ultimately raise your level.

I'm calling shenanigans on this one. SHENANIGANS, I SAY!

We ALL know plenty of people who have gambled for years and have not gotten any better. Very very few of us know anyone who has worked on fundamentals and not gotten better.

If the $550.00 helps you improve your fundamentals a measurable degree, then it is worth much more than gambling the $550.00.

The belief that gambling is the be all, end all of improving in pool is why America is getting trounced by international players right now. International players trained their way to the top. (Yes, even Filipinos)

If players want to improve, they need to get a mentor/coach, and hit a million balls. There is no secret here. I am willing to bet that some of the international players have never gambled, and could still easily run over shortstops if they decided to start gambling.

Gambling is overrated for improvement purposes. Gamble because you WANT to, or because you NEED to. If you want to improve, you have to pull the desire from within yourself. Those that improve because they want to beat someone gambling, they usually have short careers. The ones that become champions have a true love for the game.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
I'm calling shenanigans on this one. SHENANIGANS, I SAY!

We ALL know plenty of people who have gambled for years and have not gotten any better. Very very few of us know anyone who has worked on fundamentals and not gotten better.

If the $550.00 helps you improve your fundamentals a measurable degree, then it is worth much more than gambling the $550.00.

The belief that gambling is the be all, end all of improving in pool is why America is getting trounced by international players right now. International players trained their way to the top. (Yes, even Filipinos)

If players want to improve, they need to get a mentor/coach, and hit a million balls. There is no secret here. I am willing to bet that some of the international players have never gambled, and could still easily run over shortstops if they decided to start gambling.

Gambling is overrated for improvement purposes. Gamble because you WANT to, or because you NEED to. If you want to improve, you have to pull the desire from within yourself. Those that improve because they want to beat someone gambling, they usually have short careers. The ones that become champions have a true love for the game.

Russ

I agree with Russ 100%. While it is true that matching up with better players (whether in action or tournaments) is essential for seasoning and developing your ability to compete, there is no subsitute for learning the game through information, feedback, and training.
 
VIProfessor said:
I agree with Russ 100%. While it is true that matching up with better players (whether in action or tournaments) is essential for seasoning and developing your ability to compete, there is no subsitute for learning the game through information, feedback, and training.

Tap, tap, tap!
 
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