Has your local pool hall (here in the US) opened back up yet?

Just judging by how they are talking about letting restaurants reopen indoor sections the pool halls may have to use just every other table and have a low maximum number of people inside too.

Employees need to work but I have to wonder if restaurants or pool halls can even break even on the extra expenses of opening the doors with the restrictions in place. I understand the restrictions but it does look like storefront type businesses are going to be put in an impossible position.

Hu

Might as well give them the nails and hammers.
You wouldn't be able to run tournaments and parties .

Independent restaurants without drive-through will not survive.
 
It is a dilemma.

Want a real head-scratcher: what would the cost be of no preventative measures?

But you're right. I will accept short term inconvenience for the good of my me, my family, my community, my Country and world at large.

Should the catastrophe you predict come to fruuition, there will be - like the virus itself- a response unlike anything ever seen before.

We aren't going to become a destitute land. Don't fall for the doomsday prophesy.
I’m sorry. “Hope” was too strong of a word. “Accepting” would be much better.

The small business owners, their families, their employees and their families that depend on our patronage for their very livelihood and survival cannot exist if we all simply barricade ourselves inside for in the fervent hope that one day in the distant future we somehow deem it “safe” to resume our lives...

Of course, the vast majority of people don’t have the financial means to do so for an extended period of time any way...

I fully expect that the financial ruin and human suffering caused by the response to the virus will exceed that of the actual virus itself. Unfortunately, while it’s fairly easy to quantify the latter, it’ll be almost impossible to put a number on the former.
 
Why do you say that, is not being open better, then open with restrictions?

Sometimes making zero is better than making a fraction of what you need.

Ever notice all that office/ retail space that stays vacant? there's a reason they don't slash prices just to get them occupied. I'll give you a hint what that reason is: starts with $ and ends there too.
 
If you think less foot traffic is good for pool halls and restaurants, you really have no clue .
Most of these places are not going to survive restrictions .


My good friend just reopened his business with restrictions, customers are coming, he doing a little business, so he generation some profit. Profit is help pay some of his bills. Not a Pool Room, another business.

You must have some magic device predict the future, I do not.

Did you consult a Magic Eight Ball?
 

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Sometimes making zero is better than making a fraction of what you need.

Ever notice all that office/ retail space that stays vacant? there's a reason they don't slash prices just to get them occupied. I'll give you a hint what that reason is: starts with $ and ends there too.

They are operating under razor thin profits already.
If the landlords do not reduce their rent, they're gonna be looking at more vacant space. It's already bad BEFORE the pandemic.
 
They are operating under razor thin profits already.
If the landlords do not reduce their rent, they're gonna be looking at more vacant space. It's already bad BEFORE the pandemic.

I know, but so much of the space is now owned by investors and other institutional entities, they can afford to take the hit and declare the write-off.

At least that's how it is around my area. You dont see many retail/ office properties owned by groups that don't also own many other properties.
 
I’m sorry. “Hope” was too strong of a word. “Accepting” would be much better.

The small business owners, their families, their employees and their families that depend on our patronage for their very livelihood and survival cannot exist if we all simply barricade ourselves inside for in the fervent hope that one day in the distant future we somehow deem it “safe” to resume our lives...

Of course, the vast majority of people don’t have the financial means to do so for an extended period of time any way...

I fully expect that the financial ruin and human suffering caused by the response to the virus will exceed that of the actual virus itself. Unfortunately, while it’s fairly easy to quantify the latter, it’ll be almost impossible to put a number on the former.

Hence why things have to reopen. There's plenty of people everywhere that are still under the belief that this is day 0 of the outbreak and it hasn't saturated beyond control, so just let them feel safe.

If you're really in Florida then every 2.16 miles harbors a carriers path, in other words you're very likely to be exposed and very soon (if not already). New York is nuts, 10x worse as every .2 miles has had a carrier, so no hiding from that. If you look at Canada, you can see there is no hope for North Dakota and Montana, with Wyoming already on assault this last week, the wolves are out.

Check these 2 maps, Vermont is uncanny.

Canada:
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html#a1

USA:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html#anchor_1586784349

Don't forget about the lepers!

We still haven't come to handle the integration of the KNOWN infected. Nobody is talking about these people yet mainly because they can't see beyond their own conceptual safety so they haven't realized that they will have to live with them again, even WITHOUT a vaccine. Are they supposed to wear flare or badges stating "I survived COVID-19"? Are they to be shunned?

Like you, I don't think the people who want to hide should be considered anymore, let them hide as at least they have a sense of purpose in doing so (especially if they're > 60yrs, can't blame them). All that said, I would think very, very differently if I never looked at those maps and understood the exponential infection rate. But, I did so...
 
It is a dilemma.

Want a real head-scratcher: what would the cost be of no preventative measures?

But you're right. I will accept short term inconvenience for the good of my me, my family, my community, my Country and world at large.

Should the catastrophe you predict come to fruuition, there will be - like the virus itself- a response unlike anything ever seen before.

We aren't going to become a destitute land. Don't fall for the doomsday prophesy.

Sadly, the “inconvenience” that you’re accepting of isn’t just an inconvenience to those that lose their livelihood.

If you want to stay in, and can afford to do so for another year or more, you should do so. By self quarantining you can protect yourself from those that choose to earn a living so they can feed their families, as well as those who choose to support them so they can do so.

You’re right, we won’t become destitute. Hell, ultimately we survived the Great Depression too. But make no mistake, millions will be financially hurt, many ruined, if we don’t get smarter about what an appropriate response to something like this is going forward.
 
They are operating under razor thin profits already.
If the landlords do not reduce their rent, they're gonna be looking at more vacant space. It's already bad BEFORE the pandemic.


You have a point there about razor thin profits, I have heard owners saying they bairly make it.

Recall talking to Ken who use to own Bell Flower'd Hard Times, he was at Kolby's in Tempe for a One Pocket Tournment. Ask him about his "gold mine", he chuckled, he talked about the problems associated with owning that room. Said he always had to replace bathroom mirror, toilet seats that were constantly vandalized. It was no gold mine.

Plus apprently Hard Times had no alcohol sales, so that made it tought to operate in the Green. Now I get your point, about thin profit margins.
 
I’m curious. I’m assuming that you haven’t ventured outside of your own 4 walls for any reason at all, for several weeks now. At what point will you return to work, grocery shop, enter any retail store, or frequent any restaurant again?

When the ICUs are under 50% occupied, is when I will venture out (excepting for food and wine.)
 
They can give the social distancing approach a rest unless they're in 1 of 6 states, and those 6 states are about to be swallowed. The reality is that using social distancing at this point is mirroring the usage of it during the Salem Witch trials.

The big question is, if those 6 states happen to miraculously not be swallowed, how extreme do the measures have to be to stop the inevitable? What do you do? Annex any and all interactions, which would have to include health care supplies and emergency services. While I'm sure this isn't needed for COVID-19, it still does present a study for something that may be much, much worse someday. I find it extremely interesting and I'm wondering how Vermont in particular is pulling this off.


lol, Salem Witch Trials?! Where did you pull that comparison from (oh, never mind, I know where).

Lou Figueroa
 
Well that still ='s better then being closed, could actually make the Pool Room's bottom line better.

Could have more people coming through the day, not just at peek times. Never know how anything will work out, until you give it a try.

No people just hanging out, and not spending money except the owner when they used the John, and flust the toilet. Water is not cheap.


The models clearly show that the more people you have closer together the greater the chance of infection.

If someone gets infected they may get sick, or not at all, or die. But hey, at least they got to play some pool before they themselves, their friend, child, loved one, or parent died.

Lou Figueroa
 
I’m sorry. “Hope” was too strong of a word. “Accepting” would be much better.

The small business owners, their families, their employees and their families that depend on our patronage for their very livelihood and survival cannot exist if we all simply barricade ourselves inside for in the fervent hope that one day in the distant future we somehow deem it “safe” to resume our lives...

Of course, the vast majority of people don’t have the financial means to do so for an extended period of time any way...

I fully expect that the financial ruin and human suffering caused by the response to the virus will exceed that of the actual virus itself. Unfortunately, while it’s fairly easy to quantify the latter, it’ll be almost impossible to put a number on the former.


So what is your moral argument for opening up businesses in the face or an ongoing, existential threat?

How does the "bottom-line" on any business ledger balance with the death of men, women, and children?

Lou Figueroa
 
Sadly, the “inconvenience” that you’re accepting of isn’t just an inconvenience to those that lose their livelihood.

If you want to stay in, and can afford to do so for another year or more, you should do so. By self quarantining you can protect yourself from those that choose to earn a living so they can feed their families, as well as those who choose to support them so they can do so.

You’re right, we won’t become destitute. Hell, ultimately we survived the Great Depression too. But make no mistake, millions will be financially hurt, many ruined, if we don’t get smarter about what an appropriate response to something like this is going forward.


hmmmm... "financially hurt" vs.... death.

Not just yours but of those infected because you opened up your business too soon.

Lou Figueroa
 
The models clearly show that the more people you have closer together the greater the chance of infection.

If someone gets infected they may get sick, or not at all, or die. But hey, at least they got to play some pool before they themselves, their friend, child, loved one, or parent died.

Lou Figueroa

Then you have how the people in Sweden who are deal with the situation Covid -19 problem, just going about normal life. This has been reported on Fox News, Rush Limbaught has talked about it.

Each pool room owner will have to decide what they wish to do, when they are told & given the green light to resume business, if can fully reopen, or open with new business guidelines.

These people are hurting, I am sure as Joey's friend told him, the person was working on a thin profit margin before this disaster already.

The longer business are closed, the better chance there is they may never reopen.
 
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