Heart vs Skill

MahnaMahna said:
LOL yeah bullshit, as much as you may want to convince yourself that all of this "heart" you keep telling everyone you are showing is for your pleasure, the truth is much more obvious.
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Ok. I was showing just as much heart before any of these forums existed.

But you missed the point. Heart is not about an outward display for the viewers. It is internal for the person who shows it.

You and a few others think lou is the huge favorite. So if you're right the it takes a lot of heart to step in the box against him. I am not doing that to please you I doing it to please myself.



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Again, LOL. I don't think Lou is the favorite, he has shown his ass just as much as you have on here. Loser vs Loser, only one predictable outcome.
 
Colonel said:
Lots of interesting replies here. Without skills you have no business playing. Without heart, all the skill in the world isn't going to save you, we've all known the guy that runs racks practicing but the wheels fall off at as little as $50 a rack. IMHO heart is in your mind, being down and willing yourself to shut out the rail birds, your whining stake horse, the $, everything and everybody and focus on the task at hand and not being denied, that's often called heart but the ability to do it lies within your mind, that's where fear exists and the only place it exists and whether you feel it, heat or pressure is a choice you make and making the choice not to feel it is heart. What's really most important IMO is knowing how to match up, it's crucial.
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I don't think I've ever heard it put any better. :)
 
I always thought that heart is how most americans play (naturally, as if they had pool inside them. Also very extroverted), and skill is how europeans do it (technics, much more like robots, always cold and concentrated). Looks like those terms are commonly used in a different way I do.
 
TheThaiger said:
Skills giveyou heart - heart cannot give you skill.
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That quote alone is why I like having your pompous English ass around here... I may give you crap from time to time but on a lot of the non-JB posts I find myself agreeing with you.....

stay well

Chris
 
The heart comment is used way too often in this game but in this thread it actually is used correctly... Half the gamblers I have heard heart attributed to didn't have heart.. They had a gaffe bill and if they went belly up they simply went and robbed a laundry mat or car wash... Anyone would have heart with monopoly money.....

Heart is about the part of you that won't quit when the chips are down.. I would almost have to agree with Efren that Alex has the most heart out there when he is playing... You can't kill him until the last ball in the set is shot... And the thing is you know it when you play him... Puts a ton of pressure on anyone playing him to finish out a set... Nick was the same way back in his prime...

Chris
 
If you look hard enough,there is an article where the late,incredibly great George Fels tells this story about Luther Lassiter in a gambling game.

The game was back during The Great Depression. Luther is spotting a known,solid player 40 balls going to 100 in 14.1,for 5000 bucks. That's SERIOUS money in my book NOW,but you can do the math and see how that number skyrockets when you adjust that for inflation to now.

Luther ran 8 off the break,and played kind of a loose safety,and his opponent runs 58,only needing 2 for the a HUGE score.

Luther runs OUT from there.

That's 92 correct readings of the angle,92 decisions on spin and speed,92 correct applications of the stroke,and 92 consecutive shots where the balls did pretty much exactly what he expected,FOR THE CASH. ;).

Luther had plenty of both. So does Alex. Tommy D.
 
IamCalvin06 said:
I was playing a guy the other day for a cheap set and afterwards we got to talking and catching up. He said, "man u still got it, I never could beat you before and ur skills still the same."

I told him my skills have actually improved since the last time we played but yet the match was still close. I got to wondering and it came to me like a flash. He said," then how come u didn't run right over me?"

I told him that I just haven't been shooting with as much heart as before. I've let my improvement as a player take over my heart. And that's been the missing link. This whole time I just thought that it was still the learning curve and getting adjusted with my new skills. But it's not. I've become too reliant on new and improved skills. Expecting them to win the game or help me get out more often.

We talked about gambling and we both agreed that I would take a less skilled player with more heart than a skilled player with no heart. I used to call it "a guy sh!ting on himself" but it's just heartless now. A heartless player with all the skill is worthless bc at the first sign of adversity will lay down, crumble, fold under pressure, etc.

I'm extremely analytical when it comes to pool but one thing I realized is that. When a guys leading and all of a sudden the other guy starts firing back? That's when u see what kinda heart the guy with the lead has! Perfect example recently Carlo Biado vs Dennis Hatch. Carlo pulled it together but u could see the wheels wobbling and I am a HUGE Biado fan.

On the Flip side of this. Mike dechaine has been playing great winning and finishing high in most events. What makes ppl dislike him? A lot of things but the underlying truth might be bc they have seen him play without a whole lot of heart. Until that changes he won't be able to convert the publics opinion. Again NOT a fan of his but I understand the reasons why I'm not.

I saw a billboard of Allen Iverson today that said Sixer forever. Despite all the neg things he's said or done the ppl of Philly and around the world still love him. Why? Bc he played with a BiG heart! It's something that when ur watching him, u can feel what he's doing, the pain, the effort, the will to win. Always carry a special place in my heart!

In the last TAR podcast they asked Efren why he thinks SVB is the best right now. He said "he got good pocketing, good breaking, and he got good thinking, but sometimes he lose his mind"

(Now this next statement is NOT a comparison or knock on SVB so don't get twisted)

The they asked who Efren thinks is the best money player. Efren says "Alex Pagulyan" they ask why.? He just points to his chest with that efren smile.

I know this post was long and bounced around like a plinko chip on Price is Right but just thought I'd share my thoughts. You never know what new pool players are out there trying to get better and forgetting the most important thing. Or what players are out there and can't figure out why no one likes them even though they are undefeated.

Thanks for reading
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In order to shoot good pool, you have to quickly and accurately fetch your memory bank for the required procedures to make a shot, a position, bank, kick, and most importantly is to never loose track of the fact you want to win. The urge to shoot a difficult shot, and the thrill of making it, overshadows your desires to win sometimes especially when you have slight lead. Our brain's ability to keep track of all of this is hindered by many factors; Brain's peak power is right after a good night sleep; or if taking drugs; as it gets tired, it starts loose track of things; knowing your brain and how it behaves is the skill that differentiate players. I agree practice make perfect, but playing matches, and money games often make you practice your brain power, and keeps your area of brain that holds the thrill of a wins and the bad losses records fresh so it gets fetched all the time and holds you from shooting very difficult shot, and opt for safe. How many of us played matches to let the first two or three games slip, and then we wake up; and put our high gear in, and probably luck helps to catch up and win..
 
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