Help identify an unknown / unmarked pool cue?

maha said:
most asian imports dont come with two shafts. generally special order quality cues do if ordered with two.
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I do not believe that 3/8x10 would be the Pin of choice for any really cheap Asian Import either.

Neither would real woods, and real inlays.

The points seem to me to be pretty even too, for whatever that is worth.

The inlays may not be perfectly straight though.

The quality of the shafts might not be very good though. I do not know.

Thanks for your reply.
 
Chopdoc said:
There is a wide variety.
No, they don't all look the same to me, but they do have some typical styles.
This one? Looks nice. I don't hate it.

Honestly it vould have been made anywhere though.

Philippines is just an educated guess.
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I noticed the machine work demonstrates some tear out and the means in most circumstances on a cue with this level of design and materials that is probably high production. That tends to lead to an Asian country that makes many cues of the same design but not a high end maker who is very very aware of each and every step and only the best will do. So I agree that it has a very high probability of being made in Asia.
 
Thing that's most telling to me is the finish; almost milky and the reflections seem uneven; unglassy. The points look like good material but the glitchy implementation says bad tools. What I dislike about the cue is it has chocolate bar colors. Smores anyone?
 
jayman said:
I noticed the machine work demonstrates some tear out and the means in most circumstances on a cue with this level of design and materials that is probably high production. That tends to lead to an Asian country that makes many cues of the same design but not a high end maker who is very very aware of each and every step and only the best will do. So I agree that it has a very high probability of being made in Asia.
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"Tear out" is exactly it. High production, or perhaps dull tools, working too fast, or poor glue ups of the veneers. Or all of that and more.

It's nice. Just not refined, or made with patient attention to details.

Asian until proven otherwise. To me...Philippines.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Some Asian imports go for many thousands of dollars.

Zen cues for example. They are made in China.

Zen cues start out at probably at least $2500 these days, for a Merry Widow, and go up from there. Up to tens of thousands of dollars.

The cue they made for Ko Pin Yi was a $30,000 cue.


There are many other high end cue makers from Asia.
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Some Asian imports go for many thousands of dollars.

Zen cues for example. They are made in China.

Zen cues start out at probably at least $2500 these days, for a Merry Widow, and go up from there. Up to tens of thousands of dollars.

The cue they made for Ko Pin Yi was a $30,000 cue.


There are many other high end cue makers from Asia.
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Taiwan… for accuracy, Azen Chen makes Zen Cues and is in Taiwan.

Will Prout
 
Chopdoc said:
"Tear out" is exactly it. High production, or perhaps dull tools, working too fast, or poor glue ups of the veneers. Or all of that and more.

It's nice. Just not refined, or made with patient attention to details.

Asian until proven otherwise. To me...Philippines.
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Okay, I understand. So, I guess probably from the Philippines, and not made by one of the very top cue makers from there, like JD, for example.

Those guys seem to do a lot of their work by hand, so it is probably very hard to get it perfect.
 
jayman said:
I noticed the machine work demonstrates some tear out and the means in most circumstances on a cue with this level of design and materials that is probably high production. That tends to lead to an Asian country that makes many cues of the same design but not a high end maker who is very very aware of each and every step and only the best will do. So I agree that it has a very high probability of being made in Asia.
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Here is a pic of a HOW cue, which is a well known, and fairly expensive, Production cue from China. I notice the points are uneven. The points on the cue I posted pictures of looks to have more even points then this cue.
 

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It is a rather nice cue you have there. No doubt, I highly suspect it to have been made somewhere in Asia all the same.
 
jayman said:
It is a rather nice cue you have there. No doubt, I highly suspect it to have been made somewhere in Asia all the same.
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I understand. I was just trying to figure out where exactly in Asia, and made by who. I did find an Adam cue with very similar ringwork, but it was a Musashi. This is probably not a Musashi, lol.

www.newart.co.jp

キュー アダム ムサシ 324-14 ACSSプロ ラジアル

キュー アダム ムサシ 324-14 ACSSプロ ラジアル
www.newart.co.jp www.newart.co.jp

So, in any case, you think it was a factory made production cue? Not a cue made by 1 person, in a custom shop?

I am afraid that I really overpaid for this one, at $550, lol.

I got it from Japan, but I understand that the cue probably did not originate from Japan.

Thanks a lot.
 
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You gotta love someone whose AZ handle is 'vintagecollectibles' and all he brings on here is lo-mid end Asian cues. This looks a lot like the cues that Omega in Texas had made for them. Its Chin/Tai of some sort. Yawn.
 
garczar said:
You gotta love someone whose AZ handle is 'vintagecollectibles' and all he brings on here is lo-mid end Asian cues. This looks a lot like the cues that Omega in Texas had made for them. Its Chin/Tai of some sort. Yawn.
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Well, I happen to love vintage collectibles, like Runde Schon, and Block Letter Joss, and Meucci Originals, but I was just never able to hold onto any that I ever had.

I am fascinated with cues from Japan though, like Keith Andy, and others.

And, others, that most of you think are garbage, I find very interesting, at times.

Too each their own. Cue snobs, of AZB.

If I had the money, I would love to get another Kikel someday. Best cue I ever had.
 
vintagecollectibles831 said:
Well, I happen to love vintage collectibles, like Runde Schon, and Block Letter Joss, and Meucci Originals, but I was just never able to hold onto any that I ever had.

I am fascinated with cues from Japan though, like Keith Andy, and others.

And, others, that most of you think are garbage, I find very interesting, at times.

Too each their own. Cue snobs, of AZB.

If I had the money, I would love to get another Kikel someday. Best cue I ever had.
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People ask how I got my mustache and beard so long. Simple. Don't cut it. Don't trim it. When it's driving you nuts, and your wife hates it, DO NOT CUT IT.

Simple.

You love a cue? DO NOT SELL IT.

I have had my Joss since 1985. Why? I did not sell it.

When Paul Mottey offered to trade me a new cue for it around 1990, I did not trade it.

When John Wright offered to take it on trade or buy it outright, I did neither.

All those times when I could have used the money for real, to eat, I DID NOT SELL IT.

Simple.
 
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