Help identify this cue, please?

If he saw the pics and he says it may be his I would explore that.

I thought it was older but if the man made the cue then he will say so and if so then it was made when he says it was made. If he didn't make it then he will say so.

The best indicator at the moment is that he saw the pics and did not reject the work as his own.

AFAIK he signs his cues...but it could have been lost in a refinish. It's possible.
 
Btt for more input! I will likely be mailing this out to Russ in the near future if no more ideas present themselves. Thanks again to everyone who has replied so far! -Josh
 
Since the cue is unmarked it is unlikely one of Russ' cues.
Provided it is all original it is not from any of the production cuemakers. It is most likely the work of any one of hundreds of custom cue makers early work before they got equipment to install a logo. It is not a Biagio or Joss.
 
Despite this cue playing well I am having a hard time getting used to it... the balance point is only like 1/2" away from where my Joss' is but I just cant seem to get a feel for it... Either its the extra weight or the fact that this has a wrap.

I am still considering sending this to Russ to get his opinion, but I feel like it is older than he places it... so I would love to hear what everyone else is tossing around!

Since nobody seems to have any other guesses on makers, would anyone care to speculate what the value of a cue such as this one (as an unknown) would be? Thanks for everyone's input so far! -Josh

Upon further consideration I think it is a combination of the extra almost 2oz over my normal player as well as the short (9" or so) taper.
 
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Xnotedgeanymore said:
...any more thoughts?
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I'll take that as a "no"... so I guess the general vote is for mail it to Russ and see what he says?

Thanks again to everyone who has posted about this cue! I'd hate to wear my welcome out on this section, but I am really curious about this cue's origins!
 
Well...I am still rolling this one around in my mind.

It is a cool cue that deserves to be identified.

If you post any further specs on it I would be happy to compare it to my 1992 Espiritu, but that may be of limited value.

If anybody knows anything or even has a thought on the matter I hope they will post it. Even wild ideas might help at this point.
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took some more measurements of this cue last night in the hopes that some of the specs might stand out to someone...
The overall length is 58 3/8 (shaft/butt measure 29 5/16" and 29 1/16" respectively, measured from the face of the joint to the end of the ferrule/buttcap (IE: not including the tip or bumper.) Te buttcap is 1 1/4" in length, combined with a 3" buttsleeve for 4 1/4" below the wrap. Wrapped area is 14". Joint rings are 1/2" and the joint is a hair over 1"... like 1 1/32". Ferrule is 1 1/4".

Hope this might help someone place the maker of this cue! Maybe the overall length or the wrap length sound familiar? Does the short taper or butt dimensions ring a bell? Let me know if anyone has anymore thoughts on this cue! Thanks again everyone! -Josh

tip- .513"
ferrule base- .518" (13.15mm)
3"- .525"
6"- .528"
9"- .530"
12"- .556"
18"- .630"
collar- .832"
joint- .832"
top of wrap- 1.030"
bottom of wrap- 1.225"
buttcap- 1.275"
 
cornerstone said:
very possibly a bert schrager , rubber bumper does not look right but the rest does
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That is a very interesting suggestion! I must admit that I'm not terribly familiar with Bert's style. From what I understand about Schrager he seemed to use almost all of the design components that are present in this cue, with the exception of the rubber bumper as mentioned.

How does everyone else feel about this? Are there any authorities on Bert's work since his passing that might be able to shed some more light on this possibility? Thanks again for the input!
 
Xnotedgeanymore said:
That is a very interesting suggestion! I must admit that I'm not terribly familiar with Bert's style. From what I understand about Schrager he seemed to use almost all of the design components that are present in this cue, with the exception of the rubber bumper as mentioned.

How does everyone else feel about this? Are there any authorities on Bert's work since his passing that might be able to shed some more light on this possibility? Thanks again for the input!
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My memory is sketchy but if it serves correct this time there is a member here, Poolhustler, that does/did collect Schragers. Try messaging him and see if he could be of assistance.

Todd
 
somms69 said:
My memory is sketchy but if it serves correct this time there is a member here, Poolhustler, that does/did collect Schragers. Try messaging him and see if he could be of assistance.

Todd
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Thank you for your input! I have messaged Poolhustler, hopefully he will have a few moments to look this thread over and offer his opinion. Looking forward to hearing from him and anyone else who has thoughts on this cue, thanks in advance!
 
Russ (Poolhustler) doesn't think this is one of Bert's, based on the butt, bumper and pin. Baed on his knowledge of the subject I am inclined to believe him... Thanks for the input!

Bump for any more suggestions? I'd love to hear from anyone who has any thoughts on this cue! Thanks again for all the input!!
 
I've seen that joint work & material on early Richard Phillippi cues (Pasadena, MD). I think he is retired from making cues, but his son Rick is still an active maker. Shoot him a message and see if he recognizes it. Both father & son are good people.
 
ekb6760 said:
I've seen that joint work & material on early Richard Phillippi cues (Pasadena, MD). I think he is retired from making cues, but his son Rick is still an active maker. Shoot him a message and see if he recognizes it. Both father & son are good people.
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Thanks for the input! I sent an email containing some pictures and a link to this thread to the email on the Phillippi Custom Cues website, hopefully they will have a moment to take a look and offer an opinion.

I don't know much about Phillippi cues personally, so I have no real reference as to if they might be a likely maker of this or... not so much. Any thoughts?
 
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I've seen that joint work & material on early Richard Phillippi cues (Pasadena, MD). I think he is retired from making cues, but his son Rick is still an active maker. Shoot him a message and see if he recognizes it. Both father & son are good people.
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Rick replied to my inquery and stated that he doesn't believe this is one that they built, as that color of brown trim ring material and the bumper type were not ones he had ever used. He was also very plesant and seemed to be a fine person to deal with!

If anyone else has any suggestions I would love to hear them! Thanks -Josh
 
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I suppose if nobody has any other ideas they are willing to share then I'll look back into mailing this to Russ Espiritu... it is just hard for me to concieve this cue being only 12-13 years old and having already undergone a signature-losing refinish to end up in it's current condition.

Not that I know the finish to be original, I wouldn't be suprised if it had been refinished... it just seems like it would have had to be a while ago!

BTT for anybody's thoughts on this thing! C'mon... look at the title, I even said please!:thumbup:
 
this thread has had like 200 views since anybody else posted in it... I guess everyone is out of ideas?

Are there any other avenues I can pursue to find out who made this cue? Perhaps someone that might make their living off this sort of thing that I could show it to for suggestions?

sorry for beating a dead horse, but my curiosity has the best of me over this cue...
 
Wild guess here, but maybe an early Pechauer. I feel like I saw one similar in the for sale section. I didn't go back and look for it to compare though.
 
4thHorseman said:
Wild guess here, but maybe an early Pechauer. I feel like I saw one similar in the for sale section. I didn't go back and look for it to compare though.
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I'd love to see a link to that thread as I must have missed it, I can't recall ever seeing a Pechauer with this configuration. What do the rest of you think? Thanks for the input!
 
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