Help Identifying Early Gina Que

[BarenbruggeCues]

Is that mold I see?? Have you checked the straightness of both the shafts and butt??
That much mold, if it is indeed mold, means a lot of moisture got in there. I'd be surprised if it's straight. I hope it is for your sake and best of luck w the sale!!

I'm not sure what you are looking at to see mold?
This cue shows zero signs of mold in any of my pictures.
I believe you may be misguided by the phenolic which is an early form of building material used.
It has white/gray colored linen in it unlike the phenolic used today which has black linen in it and a more uniform overall color of black.
About the only thing I would do to this cue is MAYBE install a tip on the tipless shaft. That is it....period, end of story.

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

My wrong opinion.

1970-1972 Ginacue due to the block letter GINACUE of that timeline
BR Titleist - definitely not an original Ernie-built forearm
Value Range: whatever people want to spend on it.

• $2000 minimum, I think.
• The nostalgia is what's going to drive the price.
• Consider that this cannot be built again by Ernie.
• Ernie was not big on sharp point cues
  

When I was at his shop he briefly showed me how he developed his way of doing his pointed cues now.
The outside black veneer is slightly rounded at the tip however the inside points are sharp, but not deep V carved in.
Very brilliant way of keeping everything lined up and symmetric around the forearm.

 

[Chopdoc]

If this is for an estate, asking on a forum is probably the wrong strategy. Pay for a proper LOA and appraisal. Just my opinion.

 

[overlord]

I don't think Ernie is still working.

If he was, a refinish and rewrap along with a new shafts would be the ticket.

Those old shafts probably aren't straight.

Who else could do the work and match the rings........?

If the butt is warped then it ain't worth much......

 

[fjk]

Haha....some people!
100% agree.
Do NOTHING to this cue but a light clean up.

I can't tell for sure, but it may have some veneer missing here. Maybe it's a reflection.

This is not normal. I have the same cue (original) and mine are jet black. The bottom shaft doesn't match.

In terms of a refinish, opinions very on this. Personally, I'd refinish as opposed to having it look like that. Plus, sealing a cue protects it.

I have an old Gus with no finish left on it. Every time I see Bary he runs his hands over the points. He said as long as he can't feel the points, he'd recommend leaving it as-is. He said when he starts to feel the points though, it's time to protect the cue.

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

I can't tell for sure, but it may have some veneer missing here. Maybe it's a reflection.
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This is not normal. I have the same cue (original) and mine are jet black. The bottom shaft doesn't match.
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In terms of a refinish, opinions very on this. Personally, I'd refinish as opposed to having it look like that. Plus, sealing a cue protects it.

I have an old Gus with no finish left on it. Every time I see Bary he runs his hands over the points. He said as long as he can't feel the points, he'd recommend leaving it as-is. He said when he starts to feel the points though, it's time to protect the cue.

Good catch on the veneer. I missed that. easy to fill and blend in IF the new owner would feel necessary to do so. I would need to hold the cue in my hand before I could make a determination on that one.
As far as the phenolic, I can 99.99 percent guarantee that it looks that way because the finish has been partially rubbed off in spots and the actual bare old style phenolic is showing thru.
Someone along it's journey probably had a shaft made for it with someone that was not qualified or just didn't care to match ring work and collars.

 

[BarenbruggeCues]

I don't think Ernie is still working.

If he was, a refinish and rewrap along with a new shafts would be the ticket.

Those old shafts probably aren't straight.

Who else could do the work and match the rings........?

If the butt is warped then it ain't worth much......

Last I heard he still goes to the shop and puttzz around on occasion.
Actually still working.....probably not like he was 10-15 yrs ago.
Old man time will get us all!

 

[cue fix]

Good catch on the veneer. I missed that. easy to fill and blend in IF the new owner would feel necessary to do so. I would need to hold the cue in my hand before I could make a determination on that one.
As far as the phenolic, I can 99.99 percent guarantee that it looks that way because the finish has been partially rubbed off in spots and the actual bare old style phenolic is showing thru.
Someone along it's journey probably had a shaft made for it with someone that was not qualified or just didn't care to match ring work and collars.

As far as the unmatching shaft goes. I am pretty sure that is also a Ginacue shaft. You can find that ring work on a Ginacue on Proficient billiards site

 

[cuesblues]

Really a nice cue

 

[Mensabum]

I'm not sure what you are looking at to see mold?
This cue shows zero signs of mold in any of my pictures.
I believe you may be misguided by the phenolic which is an early form of building material used.
It has white/gray colored linen in it unlike the phenolic used today which has black linen in it and a more uniform overall color of black.
About the only thing I would do to this cue is MAYBE install a tip on the tipless shaft. That is it....period, end of story.

My mistake. My cheap phone shows a fine dust like substance all over it which has the appearance of mold.
Time for a new phone, perhaps??

 

[overlord]

Last I heard he still goes to the shop and puttzz around on occasion.
Actually still working.....probably not like he was 10-15 yrs ago.
Old man time will get us all!

I bought an old Gina that looked so bad I thought it might not be salvageable.

He refinished it and made it look brand new.

 

[SBC]

Inevitable the forearm and one or all of the shafts will be warped. That should be considered.

It is worth whatever the market will bear. 2k is a good price to start. I dont think an estate sale gets you the buyers, unless cue collectors can find it and bid live.

Needs a refinish. The Cortland linen line wrap can be cleaned up and left on. Any decent cuemaker can tape off the wrap when refinishing. Refinished it is a $2500 cue, so it really doesn't add a lot of value, but the cue deserves proper restoration.