Help Learning a Pre-Shot Routine

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Hello,

I have done some searches and watched the videos (thanks Mike Page) about a pre-shot routine and have a pretty good understanding of what I should be doing throughout the entire shot process. I actually have gotten to the point where I have written down the 6 steps that I want to perform during each shot.

I have been playing for about 5 years now and find myself doing drills quite regularly.

Even though I go to practice with the intent of working on the pre-shot routine, I end up getting sidetracked by the outcome of the shot, or the point of the drill that I am doing like position or score. I was hoping to get some advice, particularly from those with sound pre-shot routines, how best to go about ingraining such a process until it becomes subconscious habit?

Perhaps certain drills are more beneficial to this process than others? Any tips and advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
Hello,

I have done some searches and watched the videos (thanks Mike Page) about a pre-shot routine and have a pretty good understanding of what I should be doing throughout the entire shot process. I actually have gotten to the point where I have written down the 6 steps that I want to perform during each shot.

I have been playing for about 5 years now and find myself doing drills quite regularly.

Even though I go to practice with the intent of working on the pre-shot routine, I end up getting sidetracked by the outcome of the shot, or the point of the drill that I am doing like position or score. I was hoping to get some advice, particularly from those with sound pre-shot routines, how best to go about ingraining such a process until it becomes subconscious habit?

Perhaps certain drills are more beneficial to this process than others? Any tips and advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Mark Wilson had a good article (sorry, I don't have the link) in Billiards Digest about focusing on the process of a shot and not the outcome.

I resisted the idea for a long time finally one day I was working on my pre-shot routine and all I cared about was whether I followed the routine. After a shot successful or not I reviewed whether I followed the steps. Amazing results instead of getting mad after a miss (my typical reaction) I found that I played way better just focusing on the routine and not the outcome.

Thanks Mark Wilson

Long lasting results not here today gone tomorrow. Once you get the idea its not mechanical, but helps develop a rhythm.

If you can already play pretty good (meaning you don't have to learn everything else about a shot) following the routine is your benchmark for success not the result.

If the drill (everybody has their favorite) improves or maintains your game its a good drill.
 
You didn't mention where you live, but if you let us know, we can probably find someone that can work with you in this area.

Like Scott said, we can give you more on pre-shot routines than you probably ever even imagine existed!

Steve
 
Thanks for the replies so far. I think i have a pretty good idea what routine i want to focus on. And to Scott, i have your DVD mastering the basics and have factored that in. So, I would like to think that I am not too far off. What I am looking for is mainly how to apply what I know I want to do.

I am in southern california, which is perfect for the upcoming pool school, but honestly, I can't afford that at this time.

Accustatsfan,

Thanks for the idea, I haven't considered evaluating my routine only after the shot. I tell myself what i want to do, then go "Ooohh, I hit that good, lets just do that again ... what routine?" Then it goes onto, "cool, i'm playin pretty well lets see if I can beat the ghost now?" I swear I have A.D.D. or something.

I have done well at maintaining interest in a lot of the drills i do by having a scoring system. Thanks to Joe Tucker and guaranteed improvement, I am able to do quite a few drills until my back hurts without getting bored. Perhaps if I can find a way to score myself based on the routine only, I may have more success.
 
The only way to get it ingrained is to practice. At first you'll simply have to think through every step. It's a pain and some of the new stuff feels awkward at first. Just do it for 30 days. It will become a habit by then.

Warning be sure you're doing it right for the 30 day stint otherwise you're gonna have to another 30 day re-tool. That's where an independent observer comes in. Videos are great but sometimes the interpretation is unintended.
 
Find something that work for you... and do it every single time.


Record yourself shooting. Go back and watch it.. see what you're doing. See if you take more warmup strokes for harder shots and less for easy shots. Thats a problem. Treat every shot as a hard shot. You can learn a lot by filming yourself.
 
Thanks cleary and 3kushn. I do have a camera and use it fairly regularly to watch myself shoot and I agree it's a great aid.

If you were learning a pre-shot routine, how much time each day would you spend on the routine only, and then when you got tired of that, would you quit practicing?

One problem I have, I think, is that i will practice this, then go to single player practice games after i drill the pre-shot routine, and wipe out all the good habits i was trying to develop.
 
In school, we find it often helps when we have the students actually write down the step by step checklist of their shooting routine. It forces you to think about every single step you go through, and when you write it down, it becomes "real".

Steve
 

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Hope this works i am new at cue table layouts. I hav taken this drill from Phill Cappelle book on Pool Practice and it is the best book to build a real pool game. This particular drill is excellent to work on your preshot routine as it is also all about fundamental and the feedback is imediate since it is a straight in shot. You are looking for three outcomes to the shot. First perfectly dead stop (no rolls whatsoever, no movment to the side etc...) second is follow the cue ball in the pocket where the object ball goes and last draw the cue ball back in the pocket behind where the cue ball is resting. To set this up tape a string corner to corner and make a small mark at 1 1/2 diamond for the cue ball and a mark at 2 diamonds out for the object ball. Force yourself to go through your preshot routine on every shot. You will know when you have started to master this when you can do all three with consistent results depending how serious you are this could be B player 7 out of 10 on all 3 shot, B+ to -A 8 to 9 out f 10 and perfect fundamentals 10 out of 10 tries on all 3 shots.
 
one of the things that helps me force the pre shot and in shot mechanics is to simply line up straight in shots for about fifteen minutes. once i put the balls in place i stand up and begin the process. i use a very simple shot so i don't get sidetracked by the shot itself. i know it's going in. this helps me to focus on everything else. everyone i have watched is different. me presonally i'll assess (sp? i'm havin a rough one today) the shot. walk around the table if i have to make up my mind what i want to do. next i'll stand over the shot and line myself up, next i step in, bend, and if i feel comfortable begin practice strokes, i don't have a set number - harder shots i may take five, easier shots three, it's not always the same. if i don't feel comfortable it's stand up and regroup, if i do i pull the trigger and focus on follow through and staying down. during the shooting process i also try to train my eyes to move to the object ball from the cue ball. just doing this has helped a great deal. but i will say alot of this was developed from lessons with a good teacher. it is your best bet. they can help you determine where you are going wrong. like i said, everyone's is different. i have developed my own from what my teacher has taught me and i had to play him a few weeks ago in a match and was happy when he complimented me on developing my own routine from what we had worked on. although we both acknowledged i have a ways to go before it's finished. hope this helps.
 
Thanks Steve,

I have my checklist written down as of a couple weeks ago. I also found that if i leave the sheet of paper on the table while practicing, my attention is constantly drawn to the paper and I am consistently reminded what i should be working on. Maybe this can help some of your students as well.

Thanks horton,

That's a great shot and the first drill in Joe Tucker's guaranteed improvement which i shamelessly plugged earlier. :embarrassed2: I find that as soon as I move to a drill where I am keeping score that the pre-shot routine goes out the door, i focus wayyy too much on aim and other things and forget to stay down on the shot or something else pivotal.

btw, looks like you had success with your first cuetable post. nice!
 
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I posted the answer on the other forum, and then I saw you posted here as well. I'll also post my answer here too.

Hi Josh,

Sorry for the lag time!

Your pre shot routine is one of your most important fundamentals that a lot of people do not give the proper attention to. It is not a physical fundamental to be worked out, but a mental one. Anytime you are having problems with any part of your fundamentals, you bring it to your conscious - until it can be unconscious. What this means is that if you are say, having trouble keeping your arm straight as you follow through, I advocate the player practicing a whole hour or so hitting balls. When they start the final arm motion forward, I have them say, "straight" to themselves. You are consciously telling your muscle what it needs to accomplish. Another example is when someone stands up from a shot, I'll have them quietly say, "frozen" to themselves the moment after contact. They are in essence again telling themselves to stay frozen as they shoot. If you do this for an hour, this facet should be ingrained so that one can go ahead and put it back to being unconscious.

Same thing with you. I myself have been working really hard on playing slower - I have also been working on making my pre shot stronger. In practice what I have been doing is stand before the shot, and go through everything verbally I need to accomplish. I do not have a problem addressing the ball properly, but after I stand in line I go through decisions. Even if position is natural, I will stand there and visualize exactly where I want it to go. A lot of times I go too fast when I see that position is natural, either roll up or stop position. It is here when you just go ahead and roll it up that sometimes you didn't take exactly enough time to see where the most perfect spot is, and am haphazard about it. I am finding to truly do this when it isn't natural, you have to do it on every shot. Same thing every time. Another example is that I'll decide that I'll put bottom outside english on a ball, to come around 3 rails. I'll go ahead and shoot this ball without truly seeing where it is going to contact each rail. You need in your pre shot to push yourself that much further and exactly know where it is going to contact the first rail, how then the outside is going to widen it from that point, and then see where it will contact the next rail. If you do this, you are constantly improving instead of just shooting. You can see once you've struck the ball if it did in fact follow the line that you saw in your pre shot. Then you can see if what you thought was going to happen is reasonable or not. Sometimes I think a ball is going to do this or the other, when in fact, the amount of stroke I thought I needed to put on there would have never sufficed. If you truly pay attention in your pre shot, and visualize the line, you can learn about what is possible and what your stoke will get you almost every time.

This takes a huge amount of discipline! To make your pre shot routine stick, you have to go about shooting balls in heart-wrenchingly slow. It is not about the fun of shooting balls in at this time. You have to resign yourself that this will be a part of that "un-fun" practice that no one wants to do. Again, being able to do this kind of practice is what's going to separate you from everyone else who just wants to throw 9 balls out there and try to run them out. There are people that their only practice this way and then think that they have practiced!

It is easy to get side tracked. There are times when I am going through the tough practice of working on my pre shot, seeing absolutely everything before I am down on the ball, when I am down, trying to have the same number of practice strokes on all of the shots, etc, that I forget what I am trying to do and start firing balls in. The answer is that you have to want it bad enough, that you will sit and do the focused approach time and time again, bringing the problem to your conscious, until the answer becomes unconscious. Not everyone can do this. And that is why every one can't play top level pool. I see it in you, Josh. You just have to block out all else while you are doing this practice. It doesn't matter who walked in the door, what Louis is saying to Kevin, what song is playing, etc. Hear and see none of this. You are there to do a job, and all your focus and effort is into getting this down.

I promise you, you do that, and you'll raise another level.

Good luck!

Tina Pawloski
 
Aside from the best advice of going to a certified SPF instructor, a drill that will reinforce just the shot routine, and not the results of the shot, would be shooting a ball directly into a pocket. Not the cueball, into a ball, into a pocket. Just shooting a ball, into a pocket.

The aim point, would be a spot at the back of the pocket, or if you aim like I do, a spot on the lip of the pocket. This gives your eyes something to focus on for your eye pattern. (If you're not sure what an eye pattern is, seeing the instructor will be a really good idea.)

Everything else, the approach, the stance, etc will be the same as you're addressing the "CB" (could be any ball for the drill...).

Now, you don't have to do a whole lot of these.. just 5 or 10 at the start of your session. Then go on to other things.

Just an idea... Hope this can help.
 
Try video taping yourself, play comfortably, when you review the video you will find that you already have some sort of preshot routine. Write down what it is, give each movement a name or something you can remember that you do..

Add some things you feel like you could improve on based on what you see in your routine.... go from there.

Easier to renovate the foundation/structure your mind has natural built than to have try to build one from scratch.

Cliff note advice; Don't try to learn a pre-shot routine, learn your preshot routine. Adjust from there.
 
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