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Williebetmore

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I recall a thread where cue cases were weighed; but I can't find it.

Does anyone recall the details or can anyone provide a link??

Justis Pro-Lite, Murnak, Porper, Instroke, & Whitten were all mentioned and weighed. I would really appreciate any info; a friend is looking for the lightest 2 x 4 case possible that can have custom lettering applied. Thanks in advance.
 
Jim Murnak
Vintage 2 x 4 5# 12 Oz.
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Just got back from the post office

Ron Thomas Cases Just came off the USPS Scale :)

1 x 2 Premier Series with Strap, and 8" Pouch 2#'s 2 Oz.

2 x 4 Premier Series with Strap, Suitcase Handle, and 5" & 15" Pouch 3#'s 11.4 Oz.

2 x 4 Signature Series with Strap, Suitcase Handle, and 5" & 15" Pouch 3#'s 8.2 Oz.


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the lightest would prob be a justis pro-lite. Introkes are still preatty heavy. I dont have concrete evidence, but that seems the most logical choice for weight.
 
my 2x4 Justis Pro lite is very light, will weigh it when I get home and let you know, if no does it sooner.
 
If I can weigh in on the subject. :-)

A JB Light Interior weighs .8KG or 1.75lbs - It should be about the same as a Justis as they both use the same polypropelyne shells as far as I know.

A JB Exterior of 4-6oz leather weighs 1.9Kg or 4.2lbs

A JB case with tubes and using 3oz leather weighs 2kg or 4.4lbs.

A JB Case with tubes and using 6oz leather weighs 3.2kg or 7lbs

The difference between a Justis Prolite and a JB Light case is that the Justis is made with the leather exterior directly on the plastic tubing with no insulation or other support at all. The JB case weighs a little more because the exterior is bonded with a fiberboard to provide a strong support shell for the leather. Then the exterior and interior are fitted together like a glove. In my opinion this provides a lot more protection for the cues and for the shell against acute impact. But the tradeoff for better protection is a little more weight.

A JB case made of lightweight industrial nylon with a light weight interior comes in at about 3lbs.

This case can have custom lettering done in a variety of ways, inlay, onlay, tooled section, embroidered, embossed, silk screened, and metal lettering attached with rivets.

A GTF 2x4 comes in at 4.4lbs using 4oz leather. It also can be personalized in many ways.

While we are at it - let me ask your opinon about something. I know a lot of players like the envelope style cases because they are lighter. What if I made tube style cases without the tubes? That means that the cases wouldn't have a plastic shell nor would it have individual PVC tubes.

But the leather would be bonded to the fiberboard and would hold shape well. You could squeeze the case and it wouldn't be very good with real hard impact, but it would be much better than just a sleeve as the envelope style cases are.

I'd layer in some extra foam rubber and the case would then be around 4.2lbs if made of 6oz tooling leather. Less if it were made of lighter leather.

Does that type of case sound interesting to anyone? It would be slighty cheaper as well since I wouldn't be doing the plastic shell or the tubes.

Call it the JB Lite-Lite :-)

I will probably do some just to try them out anyway. I am thinking that they would be an in between sort of case between the envelope style and the tube style. From appearance they would be jsut like any tube style case and from weight and protectiveness they would be closer to the envelope.

Feedback welcomed on this subject.
 
Instroke Buffalo 3x5

Williebetmore said:
I recall a thread where cue cases were weighed; but I can't find it.

Does anyone recall the details or can anyone provide a link??

Justis Pro-Lite, Murnak, Porper, Instroke, & Whitten were all mentioned and weighed. I would really appreciate any info; a friend is looking for the lightest 2 x 4 case possible that can have custom lettering applied. Thanks in advance.
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Just weighed my Instroke 3x5 Buffalo case, 6.5 lbs. With pocket chalker 6.57lbs..............Charlie D
 
I'm hardly an expert, but...

I noticed Porper in Betmore's list. The vinyl porpers are WAY lighter than any leather case I've ever held. I know they aren't as nice, but but aren't they lighter? I also have no idea what customization Porper offers, so maybe they don't meet the minimum requirements.
 
JB Cases said:
If I can weigh in on the subject. :-)

A JB Light Interior weighs .8KG or 1.75lbs - It should be about the same as a Justis as they both use the same polypropelyne shells as far as I know.

A JB Exterior of 4-6oz leather weighs 1.9Kg or 4.2lbs

A JB case with tubes and using 3oz leather weighs 2kg or 4.4lbs.

A JB Case with tubes and using 6oz leather weighs 3.2kg or 7lbs

The difference between a Justis Prolite and a JB Light case is that the Justis is made with the leather exterior directly on the plastic tubing with no insulation or other support at all. The JB case weighs a little more because the exterior is bonded with a fiberboard to provide a strong support shell for the leather. Then the exterior and interior are fitted together like a glove. In my opinion this provides a lot more protection for the cues and for the shell against acute impact. But the tradeoff for better protection is a little more weight.

A JB case made of lightweight industrial nylon with a light weight interior comes in at about 3lbs.

This case can have custom lettering done in a variety of ways, inlay, onlay, tooled section, embroidered, embossed, silk screened, and metal lettering attached with rivets.

A GTF 2x4 comes in at 4.4lbs using 4oz leather. It also can be personalized in many ways.

While we are at it - let me ask your opinon about something. I know a lot of players like the envelope style cases because they are lighter. What if I made tube style cases without the tubes? That means that the cases wouldn't have a plastic shell nor would it have individual PVC tubes.

But the leather would be bonded to the fiberboard and would hold shape well. You could squeeze the case and it wouldn't be very good with real hard impact, but it would be much better than just a sleeve as the envelope style cases are.

I'd layer in some extra foam rubber and the case would then be around 4.2lbs if made of 6oz tooling leather. Less if it were made of lighter leather.

Does that type of case sound interesting to anyone? It would be slighty cheaper as well since I wouldn't be doing the plastic shell or the tubes.

Call it the JB Lite-Lite :-)

I will probably do some just to try them out anyway. I am thinking that they would be an in between sort of case between the envelope style and the tube style. From appearance they would be jsut like any tube style case and from weight and protectiveness they would be closer to the envelope.

Feedback welcomed on this subject.
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Would this case have anything to seperate the cue pieces inside? cloth sleeves? I'm not sure I understand your description yet.

If I were you I would worry about putting anything that might be seen as a cheaper and less protective than your very high personal standard. I wouldn't want someone saying, "Oh, I saw one of those JB cases, it didn't even have tubes in it. That guy doesn't know how to protect a cue." Just a thought.
 
longhair said:
If I were you I would worry about putting anything that might be seen as a cheaper and less protective than your very high personal standard. I wouldn't want someone saying, "Oh, I saw one of those JB cases, it didn't even have tubes in it. That guy doesn't know how to protect a cue." Just a thought.
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Longhair,
Well, it's a risk; but I think the person ordering the case realizes that strength will HAVE to be sacrificed since weight is the main concern. Hopefully the owner would convey that to any onlooker who might otherwise improperly judge the protective value of a JB case.

Many thanks to all who contributed. I believe my friend decided to have JB build a special one. This forum is cool - ask and ye shall be educated.:cool:
 
longhair said:
Would this case have anything to seperate the cue pieces inside? cloth sleeves? I'm not sure I understand your description yet.

If I were you I would worry about putting anything that might be seen as a cheaper and less protective than your very high personal standard. I wouldn't want someone saying, "Oh, I saw one of those JB cases, it didn't even have tubes in it. That guy doesn't know how to protect a cue." Just a thought.
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Thank you for the comment. I have thought about that too.

I have come to the realization that while some people don't care about protection as much as I do, and while others just don't know about what's good and what's bad, that most who are knowledgeable about it make a conscious choice on the level that they want.

So with that in mind I was thinking more of the person who chooses the level of protection in collaboration with me rather than making them for production purposes. In a production case I can see where one would look at this style and assume that it's a hard tube case.

The cue parts would be separated with padded cloth sleeves. It would be my newest trick, the "organic springy thingy" interior. Basically this is an interior that allows the cues to pop up gently when the case is opened but does not require any springs or devices inside the case. So the user has the full cavity for use to put in cues up to 32" with no problems.

I won't compromise on the interior. The padding and soft cloth stays.

Anyway, I will work one up to show you all and if it works well then great - if not then it's something I tried.
 
JB Cases said:
Thank you for the comment. I have thought about that too.

I have come to the realization that while some people don't care about protection as much as I do, and while others just don't know about what's good and what's bad, that most who are knowledgeable about it make a conscious choice on the level that they want.

So with that in mind I was thinking more of the person who chooses the level of protection in collaboration with me rather than making them for production purposes. In a production case I can see where one would look at this style and assume that it's a hard tube case.

The cue parts would be separated with padded cloth sleeves. It would be my newest trick, the "organic springy thingy" interior. Basically this is an interior that allows the cues to pop up gently when the case is opened but does not require any springs or devices inside the case. So the user has the full cavity for use to put in cues up to 32" with no problems.

I won't compromise on the interior. The padding and soft cloth stays.

Anyway, I will work one up to show you all and if it works well then great - if not then it's something I tried.
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This sounds like a very good idea John,good luck with it and i look forward to seeing the completion of your work. :)
 
Willie try the new designed WHITTEN CASES they are now a 1 1/2 lb. lighter & have new interior cloth for longer use. The good news is if the cloth is wore out joe said it is very easy to remove the tubes to replace. The new fabric is made out of polyester & rayon. WHITTEN CASES has done it again. Guess what i have the 2nd one ever built.
 
poolandpokerman said:
my 2x4 Justis Pro lite is very light, will weigh it when I get home and let you know, if no does it sooner.
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The 2 x 4 Lightweight Champ is Ron Thomas, 2 x 4 Signature Series with Strap, Suitcase Handle, and 5" & 15" Pouch 3#'s 8.2 Oz.

Like the one pictured below. BTW Guycrunch now owns that beauty, and it will hold a 32" butt or Shaft Section.
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Murnak

I just received my Jim Murnak, not only is the case great looking, but it is almost as light a my soft 2 X 4 (cheap $30.00 Case)

My case Gallery/review
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=89084

He makes a high quality case that looks good, is one of the lighter cases out there, AND
You can't beat the money either

Justice cases are Very nice but you pay quite abit more
 
Williebetmore said:
I recall a thread where cue cases were weighed; but I can't find it.

Does anyone recall the details or can anyone provide a link??

Justis Pro-Lite, Murnak, Porper, Instroke, & Whitten were all mentioned and weighed. I would really appreciate any info; a friend is looking for the lightest 2 x 4 case possible that can have custom lettering applied. Thanks in advance.
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Here is a photo of a Justis ProLite taken on a certified Post Office scale which leaves no doubt about the authenticity of the actual weight.
 

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