Help please, I can always take advice and criticism

Jeff Rosen

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Hi. I am only a "D" player, recently dropped from a D+ to a D. I'm also just a "3" in APA. I recently set up my I Phone toward the table when I practiced. No specific rotation, just trying to make balls.
I can use some advice on my stroke, stance, bridge, etc and anything else I'm either doing right or wrong. Here is the video which I uploaded to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAziSvpipkU
 
If you have to adjust left or right for a shot you need to stand up completely and reset your feet into the correct position. This probably means taking a step or 2 back and then walking back into the correct position.
Jason
 
Videoing youself

Hi. I am only a "D" player, recently dropped from a D+ to a D. I'm also just a "3" in APA. I recently set up my I Phone toward the table when I practiced. No specific rotation, just trying to make balls.
I can use some advice on my stroke, stance, bridge, etc and anything else I'm either doing right or wrong. Here is the video which I uploaded to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAziSvpipkU

Not worth looking at .
Poor quality ........................................................
Camera is to far away and you need a wider lens or someone running the camera or in this case you phone ..
You need to be lite up to see what is going on with your stroke.

To bad we don't have a camera and video section :rolleyes:
 
From the video alone just a couple of things in my humble opinion.
1. you get up from each shot very fast...try to stay down and follow through
2. Your bridge hand also seems very loose, hard to tell from the video but if your bridge hand and how you hold the cue is loose and you get up from the shot fast..you won't hit the ball where you were aiming.
3. You also take 1 or 2 practice strokes, try to really pinpoint where you want to hit the ball, this may take more than 3..4..5 practice strokes.

Again from The video is hard to see much without being there...I'm also not an instructor but I've helped a few people so hope that helps.

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You are a social butterfly that plays better after you miss a shot.
You are a stand up player that has developed a jab over time. It shows on cut shots.
Enjoy your game.
 
From the video alone just a couple of things in my humble opinion.
1. you get up from each shot very fast...try to stay down and follow through
2. Your bridge hand also seems very loose, hard to tell from the video but if your bridge hand and how you hold the cue is loose and you get up from the shot fast..you won't hit the ball where you were aiming.
3. You also take 1 or 2 practice strokes, try to really pinpoint where you want to hit the ball, this may take more than 3..4..5 practice strokes.

Again from The video is hard to see much without being there...I'm also not an instructor but I've helped a few people so hope that helps.

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Thanks. That's the reason I shot the video, to see if I'm popping too fast and to see my stroke. You never realize it when you're playing. I also have to work on the bridge.
 
Your stoke is more of a jab, like you are trying to gut the cueball. Stroke should be more of a samurai sword strike, smooth and with a follow through. You are a gangsta trying to stab some hood guy over a drug deal instead of a warrior slicing a head off with precision.

You can see that from the very first shot. There is also a lot of inconsistency with your stoke and aiming from shot to shot. Some have very fast and short practice strokes, some are slower and smoother, some shots are jabbed at, some are actually hit OK with a slower swing.

This shot is smooth(ish) https://youtu.be/CAziSvpipkU?t=8m40s then 20 seconds later, another jab https://youtu.be/CAziSvpipkU?t=9m you see the difference?
 
Your stoke is more of a jab, like you are trying to gut the cueball. Stroke should be more of a samurai sword strike, smooth and with a follow through. You are a gangsta trying to stab some hood guy over a drug deal instead of a warrior slicing a head off with precision.

You can see that from the very first shot. There is also a lot of inconsistency with your stoke and aiming from shot to shot. Some have very fast and short practice strokes, some are slower and smoother, some shots are jabbed at, some are actually hit OK with a slower swing.

This shot is smooth(ish) https://youtu.be/CAziSvpipkU?t=8m40s then 20 seconds later, another jab https://youtu.be/CAziSvpipkU?t=9m you see the difference?
Thanks, I've heard that before about the jabs but thought I corrected it I guess I didn't. That's the great thing about posting the video.
 
Yes, I see the "jab stroke" too, you will first want to work on that.

I think you would benefit from getting down lower on your shots....to improve your aiming.

Best of luck !
 
i guess we have our answer about him using his phone to facebook live his sessions also, might want to share this in that thread.
Back to the topic. Want to improve? quit all leagues and games with your friends and work on your stuff. Find yourself an instructor or qualified person and do what they say for a month or whatever it takes for you to get it, pay for another lesson and do that is mentioned there for another month (you get where this is going right?)
 
i guess we have our answer about him using his phone to facebook live his sessions also, might want to share this in that thread.
Back to the topic. Want to improve? quit all leagues and games with your friends and work on your stuff. Find yourself an instructor or qualified person and do what they say for a month or whatever it takes for you to get it, pay for another lesson and do that is mentioned there for another month (you get where this is going right?)
I'm pretty sure I know who you are and you're actually the one who gave me the idea of filming my play as I've seen you do it. I know you're right about taking time off but at 63 I'd much rather keep playing. But lessons are a great idea.
 
Hi. I am only a "D" player, recently dropped from a D+ to a D. I'm also just a "3" in APA. I recently set up my I Phone toward the table when I practiced. No specific rotation, just trying to make balls.
I can use some advice on my stroke, stance, bridge, etc and anything else I'm either doing right or wrong. Here is the video which I uploaded to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAziSvpipkU

Good evening Jeff, and thank you for posting a video of you playing. It sometimes take courage to post what some might call evidence of our struggles, so I commend you. I have several observations after watching you shoot. Each of these is offered with respect, and I will do my best to frame them as such.

1. In the majority of your shots, you take almost no time to actually "see" the shot. It is not unheard of, but a three a lower level league player who is missing some of the shots you missed is likely not taking enough time to see the shot in it's entirety. That is the line from the object ball to the pocket, line from the cue ball to object ball, and the line the cue must move along in stroke to deliver the cue ball to the target on the back of the object ball. In most of your shots, you get down and shot within 2-4 seconds. You aren't seeing the lines of the shot, you are praying you are in line. That's one reason why some of your longer shots and cuts are so far off the mark, because you are rarely ever in line.

2. You are forcing the cue, not stroking the cue. This goes beyond punch strokes, jab strokes, and the like. You have on many shots almost no backswing, and when you do it is rushed. You are trying to muscle the shot to create power. What you are instead doing is pulling the cue off the aiming line in the backswing, throwing the cue even further off the line as you swing forward, and hitting to the cue ball rather than through the cue ball to deliver a clean solid hit. Instead of being a sniper, your stroke rhythm and form is like a scatter shotgun right now. You might hit it, you might not, but you are going to have a really hard time staying on target. A professional golf coach who also played some pool told me a secret to an accurate and powerful stroke is a smooth full backswing, and then letting the cue come forward on its own, accelerating as you reach the cue ball and finishing through the cue ball. In other words, swing back slow, accelerate as you come down, and aim to hit the side of the cue ball facing away from you, not the back of it.

3. You are trying to help the cue ball rather than allowing the shot to play out as it should. Players also refer to this as attempting to steer the cue ball. Several times, your back arm flares out as you try to spin the ball rather than apply proper english. It can be seen that this has become a habit for you, and you probably aren't even aware you are doing it. Spinning the cue ball can have it's place, but your exaggerated flare motion is a) pulling the cue and therefore cue ball off line so the contact point is altered, b) not imparting true english so the object ball is thrown differently than with a pure stroke, and it prevents you from achieving the desired position on the next ball. Try in your practice sessions to simply line up the shot, line up the english and then simply swing forward and back. I'm betting you can't do it, and that's ok because many players fall into that trap. However, until you get that piece of mechanics fixed, you are going to have a really hard time making balls that are anything but straight in, much less get position for the next shot.

4. Take the power off the stroke. You hit hard. Like nearly every shot. You aren't giving the object ball a chance to roll on the course it is supposed to. this means the object ball can very easily be pushed slightly off course if your stroke is not pure, meaning even if you are perfectly in line, you won't make the shot. There are certain times to punch the cue ball to make it stop, but more often it is better to let the cue ball and object ball roll rather than try to force them on the line you want. Try shooting a more elongated back swing and accelerating more evenly on the forward swing. You'll be very surprised how differently the balls behave when they are rolled rather than forced.

These are the things I saw immediately you need to work on to start improving. Take a bit more time to see the shot and line it up, a more elongated backswing, more control on the front swing, try not to steer the cue ball and object ball, and don't try to muscle the shot. Work on this for a bit and I bet you'll see a huge improvement within a few weeks. Thanks again for sharing your video!
 
The first thing I will suggest is to take care of the equipment you are using. NEVER hit or drag balls across the table with your cue stick. Every time you do that, it puts a ding in the shaft. Then you have a not so smooth shaft. Onto the stroke and shots. Approach each shot from behind the cue ball. See the line you want the cue ball the roll down and step into it. Try to make sure the cue is on the line before you take any practice strokes. Like someone mentioned earlier, try to stay down after the shot. I would recommend looking at some youtube videos from Zero-X Billiards.... Lots of good info. Good luck and stay focused.
 
Having trouble with your stroke?

Here is what I am sure will be a controversial suggestion::grin-devilish:

Do Tor Lowry's stroke drill , found here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzjousgGLjU

When I posted that I had done this drill , a few were certain, absolutely certain, that it was useless, a waste of time, and that, furthermore, key and dear parts of my anatomy would shrivel up and fall off if I were to continue in this pursuit.

I like it and it helped me, you make the call.

Good luck! You can do it!
 
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I am by far not an expert but that video seems to indicate your
1.) not staying down on the shot long enough
2.) Not getting down as far on one shot as another
3.) Bridges are too hard to see for me but check the format of them do you have fingers facing the back as well for stability on closed bridges. Is your thumb tucked under your rail bridge as a guide?
4.) Practice actual drills not just shooting random balls in and hoping for position.
5.) Call your shots and plan ahead for your next few shots so you can strive for position.

Honestly I think you should probably watch some of the tor lowery videos on youtube or any number of other videos available to learn and practice better fundamentals. I can say from experience that those videos contain a lot of information and he even has a new book out that goes over much of the material in great detail. If you purchase anything of his videos he will also give you free exercises and drills you can download electronically and print out if you choose to. I am not trying to promote him as the end game to all learning that he is not there are several other systems and tools out there to help improve your game. When it all comes down to it though it is practicing proper fundamentals and drills that will determine the difference between a beginner and a pro.
 
1. You Jab instead of stroke.
2. Stay down on ball.
3. Try a closed bridge, your open bridge combined with jab and popping up leaves your cue rising out of your open bridge just after contact with cueball.
 
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