Help understanding this?

I think I can answer this but the meaning is a proprietary secret.
You'll have to send a private request.
 
tonythetiger583 said:
... Does he really hit everything the samespeed, and then get's more or less action, speed w.e by just grip pressure? ...
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Both theory and experiment say that grip pressure can have about a 1% effect on ball speed. The ball speed is determined 99%+ by cue stick speed. I think the "grip pressure" thing is Ronnie's way of visualizing shot speed.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Both theory and experiment say that grip pressure can have about a 1% effect on ball speed. The ball speed is determined 99%+ by cue stick speed. I think the "grip pressure" thing is Ronnie's way of visualizing shot speed.
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I concur. I think he builds it into his PSR depending on type of shot he shooting. No way you are going to regulate between a slow roll safety and and table length power screw shot (draw shot) with grip pressure.

Try it yourself. Shoot a slow 3 foot shot with open hand (Cue just resting in palm) and then same shot with "death grip". Do you see a ball speed difference? I think not.

Nick
 
I think by "grip pressure" he might be indirectly referring to wrist action.
For example, using a firm grip which stabilizes the wrist for limited action and control, as compared a looser grip allowing the wrist to snap for shots requiring a lot of force and action.
 
victorl said:
I think by "grip pressure" he might be indirectly referring to wrist action.
For example, using a firm grip which stabilizes the wrist for limited action and control, as compared a looser grip allowing the wrist to snap for shots requiring a lot of force and action.
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But I think he is saying that more pressure gives more speed, which is backwards to what you are saying.
 
tonythetiger583 said:
What does Ronnie mean by grip pressure?, like is it pressure on the cue during the stroke, or at the finish of the stroke?

Does he really hit everything the samespeed, and then get's more or less action, speed w.e by just grip pressure?

If anyone plays like that, could they elaborate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHeeJy_SJFw&feature=youtu.be&t=11m37s
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Ronnie like most players including most pros has at least some false nonsense beliefs regarding pool. The belief that how hard he grips the cue has a great effect on the speed of the cue ball is a false one. His belief that he hits all shots, or even most shots, the same speed is also false although it is true that there are many shots that can be shot at a variety of speeds with nearly identical results and he may very well tend to shoot more shots at closer to the same speeds than other players tend to do but to say he hits all shots at the same speed is not even close to being true.

Like Bob Jewett said, I think he equates grip pressure with cue ball speed in his mind. The harder you are swinging the cue the firmer you have to hold it to keep control of it and what is likely happening is that he doesn't realize or notice the speed he is swinging his cue nearly as well as he notices his grip pressure and as a somewhat understandable result this leads to his false conclusion that his grip pressure is having a significant effect when it simply isn't. It was the cue speed. The grip pressure was just the by-product he was more aware of but that actually had no significant effect.

Read this article for another example of this phenomenon and some insight into how it is that we can so easily perceive things incorrectly and have such false beliefs.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/bd_articles/ross_bd_april08.pdf
 
Nick B said:
Try it yourself. Shoot a slow 3 foot shot with open hand (Cue just resting in palm) and then same shot with "death grip". Do you see a ball speed difference? I think not.

Nick
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Agreed, and I think you might actually see worse results because the death grip would increase tension in the arm and probably slow your cue speed.

My guess is that cue timing comes naturally for Ronnie or at least very easy for him. That video of him playing when he was 14 or 16, he had that same timing we see now. He's likely communicating how it feels for him and perhaps how he understands it. I doubt he even means that the pressure in his grip differs greatly between cue speeds either.

It's like the advice that you need to push the cue ball to the target. If you hit the cueball perfectly (or nearly perfect), you feel the full weight of the ball and on follow through it can almost feel like you are pushing it. Even though you aren't at all.
 
Kind of the way Tiger Woods was taught to put. The kid didn't know feet and with his head down his father would say "over her Tiger". He would use that as a reference for how far (hard) he had to hit his puts and not look at the hole once he had lined himself up.


Regards

Nick B
 
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