Help with Pool Experiment

Okay OP. I watched the vid and have not read anyone else's comments, so this is the straight poop on what I see. I see a player that may have been formidable a considerable time ago, maybe an A player back then, but now a solid C.

You can see that there are some skills being dug up from some mental ditch, but inconsistently. Tons of variables, but I would rank them a C if I was doing the ranking and let them destroy their way to an A over the next year or so.

Lesh
 
Correction....

iusedtoberich said:
Nature vs Nurture debate. I'm obviously strongly on the side of Nature:) There are 100's of other threads here with dozens of pages debating this issue...

So now that we went through this thread, what is the player's speed, when he is playing in serious competition?

A B C D should not change from location to location. A means a "real player", he will bet on himself to beat the 9 ball ghost on a 9' table at the drop of the hat, and get the money more times than not.

Your original question was two fold:

1. Does player rating change from location to location.

2. What is the players rating in the video.

I don't think you have answered either one for us in this thread.

My answer to #1 is no, it does not change. An A in california is an A in NY, is an A in Canada. A B C D are "gambling" ratings. If someone has been around for a long time, and travelled around regionally and even nationally, they will have a better comparison in their head.

If someone has never left their home room, they might think the best player there is an A, but he's really a C, and neither one of them know any better. That does not mean the ratings change from place to place, it simply means those two people don't know what they are talking about, cause they don't have the experience.
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What if the player is NOT a gambler and simply plays the game for the love of the game?

Now, how do you rate him?

You missed the point of the OP, go back & read it again......:eek:
 
I watched it right after you posted this and didn't even bother to comment on it.
If he is using a short break cue and the rack to improve his game it isn't working. He needs to work on his break a lot. It was very inconsistent. He/you could be a monster player though.
 
How many D players that you know practice with an Accu-rack and use a short break cue ( nobody noticed??)?

I know a lot of C and beginner players who have nice cues and use magic racks, gloves, extensions and any other gadgets you can imagine. A lot of times, it's the guys with the most gear and gadgets that play the worst (except Earl).

And one more thing, stalling is bad for your game, and your health, too.
 
I would like to see a video of this guy playing serious. I hope your experiment went well too. For real though......can we see what he's got?
 
D player and/or APA 3, I say this before I even begin to review anyone else's comments... please, I hope nobody called him a "b" :)
 
David Marcus said:
This has been a very interesting exercise in one's observation skills. Some of you, very few, picked up on certain things that raised your eyebrows while others were totally in the dark. How many D players that you know practice
with an Accu-rack and use a short break cue

Anybody care to change their original answer?? :eek:
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I stopped watching after the first rack.... why would I wanna watch more than that... if he just tanked the first rack to fool everyone, that what exactly is the point of this ridiculous thread ??
 
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I just watched more videos on YouTube. Still a C player. Nothing changed with his/your shooting style. He is a shot maker because of bad shapes( a lot like me...lol). Those tables are SLOW too.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Nature vs Nurture debate. I'm obviously strongly on the side of Nature:) There are 100's of other threads here with dozens of pages debating this issue...

So now that we went through this thread, what is the player's speed, when he is playing in serious competition?

A B C D should not change from location to location. A means a "real player", he will bet on himself to beat the 9 ball ghost on a 9' table at the drop of the hat, and get the money more times than not.

Your original question was two fold:

1. Does player rating change from location to location.

2. What is the players rating in the video.

I don't think you have answered either one for us in this thread.

My answer to #1 is no, it does not change. An A in california is an A in NY, is an A in Canada. A B C D are "gambling" ratings. If someone has been around for a long time, and travelled around regionally and even nationally, they will have a better comparison in their head.

If someone has never left their home room, they might think the best player there is an A, but he's really a C, and neither one of them know any better. That does not mean the ratings change from place to place, it simply means those two people don't know what they are talking about, cause they don't have the experience.
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Allen Brown said:
I would like to see a video of this guy playing serious. I hope your experiment went well too. For real though......can we see what he's got?
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For those of you that know me, isn't this interesting?
 
I guess I'm lost as to what this thread is about now?...

Are you the player in the video?

Whether you gamble or not or simply love the game doesn't enter into ratings. You either can play at a certain level, or you can't [In Serious Competition].

I can play half decent at times, but sometimes at the end of a practice session, I literally just slam the balls without any regard for anything. If someone was only watching that, they would think I'm a Banger, not even a D player. Its just a fun thing for me to do sometimes to unwind from the high concentration when in a serous practice session..

But again, I don't understand what you are trying to do in this thread.
 
After @ a minute I suspected this might be BS. The guy looks like he's in disguise and is laying a lemon. Heck, he might be a pro or a shortstop.
 
A bit OCD, methinks.

..bought a break cue that matches the rails?:confused:
 
Really......

KoolKat9Lives said:
After @ a minute I suspected this might be BS. The guy looks like he's in disguise and is laying a lemon. Heck, he might be a pro or a shortstop.
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You said this after I said this...

"If this is true, AND if he is not "hustling" us, then this is the type of player that simply has little natural ability. He won't get any better, no matter how much instruction he gets."

This is simply the opposite of the truth, if he were to seek professional help and dedicate himself to his game, he would absolutely "get better" because the player in question has a deep understanding of the game and can recognize shots "during practice" that come up in various games.
Now the question becomes...."when you practice,....do you "practice"?"
Isn't your time worth it ?


Go back and reread the OP......
 
Oh yeah...

David Marcus said:
This would be as close to the Truth except for two things......

9' Table and....


"If this is true, AND if he is not "hustling" us, then this is the type of player that simply has little natural ability. He won't get any better, no matter how much instruction he gets."

This is simply the opposite of the truth, if he were to seek professional help and dedicate himself to his game, he would absolutely "get better" because the player in question has a deep understanding of the game and can recognize shots "during practice" that come up in various games.
Now the question becomes...."when you practice,....do you "practice"?"
Isn't your time worth it ?
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I'm not from Philly, North Shore of Boston.:confused:
 
He is a C player just like me .. :thumbup:

The only difference I see between my game and his is cue speed and position.

He shoots fast, and I shoot slow. Cue position seemed missing, he concentrated on pocketing the ball, but didn't care where the ball will land next. Whenever he did try to control the position, he missed easy balls.

Overall, lots of experience, but not much fundamentals. Again, Same as me ! :grin-square:
 
Oh Yeah....

David Marcus said:
This would be as close to the Truth except for two things......

9' Table and....


"If this is true, AND if he is not "hustling" us, then this is the type of player that simply has little natural ability. He won't get any better, no matter how much instruction he gets."

This is simply the opposite of the truth, if he were to seek professional help and dedicate himself to his game, he would absolutely "get better" because the player in question has a deep understanding of the game and can recognize shots "during practice" that come up in various games.
Now the question becomes...."when you practice,....do you "practice"?"
Isn't your time worth it ?
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About me, I'm a C+ player, sometime delving into the B- territory. I've been playing 20 years now, and have had the pool bug since I was 15. I'm from Philadelphia, and have gambled day in day out with everyone from banger level to Open level. I have horrible natural ability in any sport, and know I'm never going to get much above my current level. I think this player we watched is much like myself.

...alright, two more things........ I'm not from Philly, North Shore of Boston. and I never gambled much ......unless you count going into a sports bar with .50€ and leaving drunk....
 
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Not sure what his speed is. Strongly suspect he owns a chain of lemonade stands though. Watching for key signs, he showed them at various times. He showed a few things that no D or even C player is going to show.

If he really is a C or even a low B player, then he could easily get a ways higher with just wanting to and caring about his game. He obviously wasn't concerned at all with making balls in this video, except for a few key shots which were his "tell".
 
If....this were his true speed and playing ability.....I said "if"

He would probably be an APA 5 around here. Not as good as most of the 5's, but the shots he pulls off in some racks, and his position play (some of the time) would put him ahead of the 4's.

I agree that he doesn't look as tho he is really trying. I cant imagine someone that can make shots like he does some of the time playing this consistently bad. Hitting so hard so often, particularly, and the decisions to shoot bank shots so often says he's effing around, or not very serious.

(I can say "this consistently bad" as I'm an apa 5, and I would beat this guy most of the time, if this is his speed and shot selection style. And I don't consider myself a "good" 5 around here)
 
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