Here Is Our Biggest Problem!

[jjinfla]

They will have groups in a round robin. How nice would it be if the public could bet on who would finish 1-2-3 in each group. Just like the horses. But of course how long would it take for the players to rig the finish?

 

[unknownpro]

Do you feel this was a result of the BIG $ CASH that attracted the spectators? Or was this match up better than what the finals had to offer? …[/QUOTE)


Whenever Louie was involved in a serious match at a tournament it was the "Must See" event going on. Louie had the ability to not just get so many people involved, but also the ability to keep them entertained at the same time. When he "Hit His Gear" - He played so fearless and accurate that most people couldn't believe what they were seeing.

TY & GL

They should give a prize for high run in 9-ball tournaments. You'd have to play winner breaks. Medina ran 8 on tape in a tournament, firing at everything, it is a lot more fun to watch.

unknownpro

 

[nfty9er]

You were there

What seems to be working for TV viewer ship/sponsorship today?

Reality TV - Viewer Involvement (voting) and or (inside viewer knowledge).

Gambling - Poker has proven that Hi$ gambling is bringing in the viewers & sponsors.

Color & Characters - Viewers seem to love it when they can get involved and relate to the inside lives of the participants.

Poker shows the Hole Card and that gets everyone involved & excited.
Golf shows Tiger and that is ALL that is needed.
Bowling is watched by so many because watching the best play is easy for the average bowler to understand what is being done. Pool Is Not!
Tennis is watched because of the promotional advertisements of the game and the status of the players. Men & women.
How many viewers would be watching the NFL - IF - They couldn't bet on it?

WHAT IF?
There was a TV show that followed a Pool Hustler through a night of playing in a bar or poolroom?
This would probably involve Many Takes and take some extreme editing but if the viewers either knew who he/she was and could get involved in what he/she was doing and why - it could be very interesting.
OR MAYBE - The viewers didn't know who he/she was and had to figure it out and vote.

Or maybe I've had too much coffee and this is just another one of my goofy ideas.

TY & GL

Hey Tom you were there at DCC werent't you. You obviously saw all the interviews, woofing, matching up etc. etc. being filmed by the crew trying to sell a special about hustlers and gambling to HBO. I imagine you are not drinking too much coffee if they are already trying to do that. Someone asked awhile ago if anyone heard what is happening with this project, I haven't has anyone else? It would be perfect timing if it came out about the time of the IPT. Would be a big boost.

 

[OldHasBeen]

Did you see this show - BallBreakers?

Hey Tom you were there at DCC werent't you. You obviously saw all the interviews, woofing, matching up etc. etc. being filmed by the crew trying to sell a special about hustlers and gambling to HBO. I imagine you are not drinking too much coffee if they are already trying to do that. Someone asked awhile ago if anyone heard what is happening with this project, I haven't has anyone else? It would be perfect timing if it came out about the time of the IPT. Would be a big boost.

nfty9er - This was on GSN the other night. The quality of the players is very average at best BUT I think it is part of the appeal to the general audience. It is the quality of skill they can relate to. None of the players could get out with Ball In Hand and many times there were 4 or 5 innings per game. These were barbox type players playing on a 4.5 X 9 for large amounts of cash bet every game. All were very nervous and emotional. It is kind of like an elimination series with only one winning the big pot. But they can and do bet between themselves quite often. Ewa was one of the announcers along with a good entertaining MC (not Mitch).
If there was a way to get the viewers to be able to wager on these matches and GET INVOLVED it could be great for the game. Or maybe just a call in or Internet vote.
I'm not saying this is for us (pool involved enthusiast) but for the general TV audience that can attract sponsorships and interest from major corporations.

TY & GL

 

[Kevin]

How about a TV show called "Pool League Night", roughly based, or even sanctioned/supported by, the APA...

take one team, get to know the members, have them match up with other teams... Or, reality TV like a recent popular documentary on spelling bee competitors or the elementary school kids competing in a dance format, shot from the perspective of the short boy having to dance with the tallest girl in class... a real trials and tribulations on their road to the BCA or APA Vegas team extravaganza.

or scrap reality, base the team makeup with ensemble actors playing recognized roles, lovely young lady out to get better a 2, matching up with semi-sleazy sandbagger Joe rated 3, Mr. All-America semi-pro coach, with great teaching advice, the loveable drunk who members restrain till after the match, the Know-it-all type(Think -RSB-Cliff and Norm from "Cheers"), etc. Could be fun, include the marking the pocket moves, cheesy foul calls, mental gaming, cameraderie, and some woofing and after-hours match-ups, and the APA members would love it, tape it, talk about it with co-corkers, they would all rush out in droves to sign up, Nirvana!

You've gotta see the one where Cliff goes and shoots his mouth off again, and is suckered into a money match way over his head, and they try and dress ringer Buddy Hall up and pass him off as Cliff! Or that episode where Grady Mattews is the guest (playing a lingerie salesman), and suckers the straight shooter into a little one-pocket game, with a knowing side-show commentary going on at the bar between OHB and Cuetechasaurus, with CTS saying no way he can get out from here! then OHB (after making and pocketing the bet) saying he didn't have to even make the ball... just look at the table, 3 balls near his hole, nothing by the other, and the cueball dead snookered behind the 8ball? Are you dumb or what? Wanna play some, cheap?
Or where that guy tried to make a pass at Jennifer Beretta by offering to teach her how to shoot! Nyuck nyuck nyuck.

More grist for the mill. Personally I would enjoy the TV show more, with real players walking on, comedy and idiosyncracies (Jeff is trying to spike the Jukebox again! How is he gonna do it this week!? -ala Simpsons and the couch routine each week), etc. Old-time hustles revealed, like revealing a player uses a spot-on-the-wall system for banking, the opposing team walks in and hoodwinks the loveable loser while moving the table, etc. Norm has a great new aiming system, but it only works with the table lights, and it's daytime! Will he survive?

Heck, I'll pre-order season one on DVD if the pilot ever gets made!

 

[rackmsuckr]

How about a TV show called "Pool League Night", roughly based, or even sanctioned/supported by, the APA...

take one team, get to know the members, have them match up with other teams... Or, reality TV like a recent popular documentary on spelling bee competitors or the elementary school kids competing in a dance format, shot from the perspective of the short boy having to dance with the tallest girl in class... a real trials and tribulations on their road to the BCA or APA Vegas team extravaganza.

or scrap reality, base the team makeup with ensemble actors playing recognized roles, lovely young lady out to get better a 2, matching up with semi-sleazy sandbagger Joe rated 3, Mr. All-America semi-pro coach, with great teaching advice, the loveable drunk who members restrain till after the match, the Know-it-all type(Think -RSB-Cliff and Norm from "Cheers"), etc. Could be fun, include the marking the pocket moves, cheesy foul calls, mental gaming, cameraderie, and some woofing and after-hours match-ups, and the APA members would love it, tape it, talk about it with co-corkers, they would all rush out in droves to sign up, Nirvana!

You've gotta see the one where Cliff goes and shoots his mouth off again, and is suckered into a money match way over his head, and they try and dress ringer Buddy Hall up and pass him off as Cliff! Or that episode where Grady Mattews is the guest (playing a lingerie salesman), and suckers the straight shooter into a little one-pocket game, with a knowing side-show commentary going on at the bar between OHB and Cuetechasaurus, with CTS saying no way he can get out from here! then OHB (after making and pocketing the bet) saying he didn't have to even make the ball... just look at the table, 3 balls near his hole, nothing by the other, and the cueball dead snookered behind the 8ball? Are you dumb or what? Wanna play some, cheap?
Or where that guy tried to make a pass at Jennifer Beretta by offering to teach her how to shoot! Nyuck nyuck nyuck.

More grist for the mill. Personally I would enjoy the TV show more, with real players walking on, comedy and idiosyncracies (Jeff is trying to spike the Jukebox again! How is he gonna do it this week!? -ala Simpsons and the couch routine each week), etc. Old-time hustles revealed, like revealing a player uses a spot-on-the-wall system for banking, the opposing team walks in and hoodwinks the loveable loser while moving the table, etc. Norm has a great new aiming system, but it only works with the table lights, and it's daytime! Will he survive?

Heck, I'll pre-order season one on DVD if the pilot ever gets made!

Actually, Cliff shoots a pretty good stick!

Another idea is having games of HORSE, like basketball, with challenges. Doesn't have to be trick shots, but could be stroke shots, banks, kicks, jumps, QB frozen to the rail spot shots, QB landing in a certain area after a shot, caroms, etc. One I like to win on is putting an object ball just about anywhere on the table and the 9 on the lip of a pocket and caroming off the OB 1-3 rails to pocket the 9, or even straight draw caroms into the 9.

This could be done as teams, doubles, or singles. It would be a fun event.

 

[Kevin]

Actually, Cliff shoots a pretty good stick!

Another idea is having games of HORSE, like basketball, with challenges. Doesn't have to be trick shots, but could be stroke shots, banks, kicks, jumps, QB frozen to the rail spot shots, QB landing in a certain area after a shot, caroms, etc. One I like to win on is putting an object ball just about anywhere on the table and the 9 on the lip of a pocket and caroming off the OB 1-3 rails to pocket the 9, or even straight draw caroms into the 9.

This could be done as teams, doubles, or singles. It would be a fun event.

My kind of guy. It would be fun.

Sounds like if you grew up in another country you would be playing 3-cushion more than pocket games. Nothing like shooting a 2-way bank shot on the 1, 3 railing the cue to either kick in the 9-ball or get safe with shape on the 2 in the area. Nothing wrong with taking a shot with that kind of payoff potential is there? Devious 3-C minds think not, and merely call it "advanced shot selection". Watch your opponents eyes when they go blinkety-blink-blink-blink, it's part of the fun! Kind of like playing chess when you set up sacrifice moves and deliberately sacrifice the queen to start the chain reaction pay-off 8 moves ahead ending in checkmate.

 

[rackmsuckr]

My kind of guy. It would be fun.

Sounds like if you grew up in another country you would be playing 3-cushion more than pocket games. Nothing like shooting a 2-way bank shot on the 1, 3 railing the cue to either kick in the 9-ball or get safe with shape on the 2 in the area. Nothing wrong with taking a shot with that kind of payoff potential is there? Devious 3-C minds think not, and merely call it "advanced shot selection". Watch your opponents eyes when they go blinkety-blink-blink-blink, it's part of the fun! Kind of like playing chess when you set up sacrifice moves and deliberately sacrifice the queen to start the chain reaction pay-off 8 moves ahead ending in checkmate.

I do like 3 railers. I pushed out once when the 9 was hanging against a weaker player. I pushed to a long, ugly almost rail to rail shot. The one was blocked from making it in the nearest hole. She couldn't jump and there were no banks or combos to the 9 from the 1, and no easy safes. My husband was on the sidelines trying to yell at me for not making the 9 on the push, but I knew my opponent. She gave it back to me. I caromed off the one ball - 3 rails with a lot of inside spin and made the 9. Cha ching!