justaplayer
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The pros and everybody continually disregard these rules in tournament play and action. As others have said, the cardinal rule is to stay in your seat when it's not your turn to shoot.
Here's a scenario ; Unsportsmanlike or not?
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The pros and everybody continually disregard these rules in tournament play and action. As others have said, the cardinal rule is to stay in your seat when it's not your turn to shoot.
Not here in Europe from my experience, I guess the overall pool culture/atmosphere here is more rules-oriented, it prevents arguments in general so we dont have to ask every other match about unsportmanlike conduct :wink: If it is in the rules then we stick to it (most of the time
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Every bit as much as your right to leave it there. Poor sportsmanship on both accounts.
Played a guy like that once or twice in tournaments...one guy would take all the chalk off the table except the one piece he carried, another one insisted all cubes had to be laid on their side...I like it chalk side up (that way I know what/how I'm grabbing it without looking), but I'm not obsessive. He would walk all around the table laying the cubes over on their sides, then he'd start to line up a shot. He seemed to get uptight whenever he saw me lay my chalk down open side up...after that, I made a point to bring at least four pieces to the table and laid them all chalk side up, and kept adjusting them as I used them. :thumbup:
I would think that if there weren't any balls on the template, even more important than your next shot perhaps being altered is the fact that after that shot, another ball might end up on the rack, preventing it from being removed at that point. When it should already have been off the table....
I had a guy pull off shit like that too against me. He would ask me to bring my chalk back everytime and I told him that the game was already tough as it is so I'm not gonna add the trouble to comply to his princess-needs but that he was fully allowed to move elsewhere on the table. (I know it sounds arrogant like that and it was but that guy is always trying to get into his opponents's head, I've played him often. 1 tournament out of 3 someone threatens to hit him).
Anyway I told this story to another guy in the tournament who ends up playing him later. When their match got called, the princess went to the bathroom and the guy whom I told the story to emptied his full box of chalks on the rails (all 12 of them).
The look on the princess's face when he came back from the bathroom was priceless.
Personally I think that it should have been a forfeit of that game. He's interferring with an object on the table. If I am correct, the decision to have that template removed is up to you! It should be removed if possible, but again as the shooter, you can opt to leave it. I think there was a smiliar arguement between Dennis O. and Shane VB in one of their matches. I'll see if I can find the YT link.
When I'm gambling, I ask my opponent, and the people on the tables next to me to leave the establishment as to not disturb me while I am focusing.
See post #14.
What a frickin fruitcake!!!!!! The only time I use my own chalk is when there isnt any other or when the table chalk is drilled to the bottom. The only thing that bothers me about chalk is when an opponent grabs my chalk and walks around the table for 3 minutes the whole time trying to bore to the bottom of my cube. If they use normal no big deal, its cheap.
As far as the OPs dilemma, it sounds like a big fuss over nothing.
In tournament play! Those are WPA rules, and I dont think those who gamble bring a referree or the WPA rule book with them. (Atleast NONE that I've seen). LOL. I believe the OP stated that this was a money match. No sanctioning by any body of pool authority but themselves. Sorta moots my point, but the idea is still valid. The opponent should not have touched anything on the table. Really who can call an unsportsmans like conduct infraction on a non-sanctioned game (money match between two people)?! Silly right?
Right, it was a money match, probably with no prior agreement on rules related to the racking template and its removal. Yet you suggested that the opponent's action should have caused a forfeiture of the game, because only the breaker can decide to remove the template. I was merely trying to let you know that your view on what should happen is counter to the one known regulation that directly addresses the issue.
If it is true that the players had no prior discussion of the rules on this matter, then I'd say it is inappropriate for the breaker to get upset about what the opponent did. But they would do well to discuss (probably after that current game) and agree on how to handle the situation for the balance of the match.
Thats the point. There was NO discussion. The opponent took it upon himself to touch something on the table, IN PLAY. If he touched anything on the table under tournament conditions, I believe that is grounds for loss of game, if judged by a referee. You have to ask the shooter to remove the template, and NOT go there and take it off yourself! It was IN PLAY during the start of the game (the break) and should garner the consideration of stopping play first to request the removal of the template. The WPA rules also state that a referee is the first option for someone to touch the template. Not the opponent. Again, this was a money match, but the logic follows. He should not have touched anything in play. Doing so is unsportsman-like in my opinion, and should have been a loss of game. My opinion, but I'm stating why thats so. He should not have touched an object on the table in play. Some even suggest that he shouldnt have gotten out his seat. But overall, sharking move in my opinion.
Sure if he ignores you it's slightly rude but you shouldn't let something as small as that get to you .
Personally, I always take the racking template off the table after the break - it also gives you a chance to walk round the table and plan your next shots, look for problem balls etc
I guess I am sort of OCD about chalk. I will group cubes together, except for the one I am using, turn cubes to chalk side up, throw away pieces that are hollowed out and if I am shooting a shot I have to remain focused on, I will move any pieces that are in my line of sight so that I do not get distracted. :shrug:
If I was the OP I would have removed the rack from the table after breaking. However I do not think it was the opponent's responsibility to remove it. If the opponent asked if he could remove the rack without approaching the table, that is more acceptable than doing so despite opposition by the shooter. When you are not shooting, you should remain away from the table unless there are extenuating circumstances. This was a gambling match, not a tournament, so you cannot reasonably expect there to be a referee and a strict set of rules to abide by, unless stipulations were agreed upon by both players. The whole thing is a moot point anyway since the OP won the set.
I third that .......you are I the wrong here. The rack has to be picked up before you shoot
Why does no discussion justify the breaker? If there is no discussion then one would assume that standard rules apply, and the breaker should have removed the template. Obviously he was trying to shark his opponent by leaving it on the table.