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i can understand non-pool players that complain about how boring it is to watch pro pool and i can understand non-heyball players complain about how boring it is to watch heyball but i would ask both groups to first actually try it before you make your final decision
 
I was there at the end of April and played in the qualifier. It was a fun experience.
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i can understand non-pool players that complain about how boring it is to watch pro pool and i can understand non-heyball players complain about how boring it is to watch heyball but i would ask both groups to first actually try it before you make your final decision
Too much glitz not enough pool. The pockets - what else? \/O\/

Cut the pockets so any shot goes. Without that it's the Easter egg hunt and pedantic outs .
 
i can understand non-pool players that complain about how boring it is to watch pro pool and i can understand non-heyball players complain about how boring it is to watch heyball but i would ask both groups to first actually try it before you make your final decision
I've both played and watched Heyball and, while I appreciate the skill level required to play it well, I find it boring. Just one man's opinion.
 
On what planet would anyone expect this snoozefest game to take off here? Never gonna happen. The average JoePublic banger would take an hour to play one game. Maybe.

We have players at the local bar who take nearly this long on a 6.5 ft table with 4.9" pockets.

Even with the table being only 6.5 ft you still need short-sticks--so don't even think about larger tables there.
 
I find Heyball boring as hell, but I also find the World 8ball Championship boring as hell. I think the folks at Heyball realize that if 8ball is to be something other than just a breaking contest, the pockets must be super-tight. I get where they are coming from, but I find it very hard to watch,

that's about how i see it, and even with those pockets i suspect the BNR percentage is above pro 9-ball / 10-ball.

the handicap for female players is stupid, but even that is overshadowed by the payout structure, where L32 gets 6k and the winner gets 700k
 
700k- where does that come from?

my guess is that somewhere on the other side of the world between glasgow and sydney there is someone awake in the middle of the night writing about how much they love their local cue sport on their local website and how god awful fast and boring american pool is and when discussing various rule changes and chalk holders and shoes and lighting and aiming advice and whatever they occasionally follow some of the advertising banners and buy something

and compared to the number of pool players between seattle and miami they out number us about 100/1
 
i guess from the coffers of JOY and their co-sponsors, maybe government subsidies
I'd guess some from JOY but most from sponsor/advertisers and the commie party. BTW i'm TRYING to dig it more. Watching as i type this. The commentary is good actually but the game still just leaves me numb. May be fun to play but its pretty boring to sweat. Reinforces my take that 'hard' doesn't equate to entertaining.
 
I'd guess some from JOY but most from sponsor/advertisers and the commie party. BTW i'm TRYING to dig it more. Watching as i type this. The commentary is good actually but the game still just leaves me numb. May be fun to play but its pretty boring to sweat. Reinforces my take that 'hard' doesn't equate to entertaining.
Also long matches, around 3 hours when it was a race to 13
Who can sit and watch it for 3 hours?

I always looked at pool (8ball / 9ball / 10ball) as an aggressive game, fast and loose, less defense.
Snooker was the defensive game.
Playing pool on a snooker table always felt weird to me (it’s very common here as there are more snooker tables than pool tables but they play with smaller size balls, same size as snooker balls).
Nowadays pool is played on tight pockets and players play the percentage, a lot more defensive than it used to be. So maybe heyball has its place in today’s pool.
Although these tables play very differently than pool tables, it’s not just pockets size and the cut of them. It’s the hight of the table, the rails profile, the cloth, the no diamonds… totally different game.
 
...and how it arrived there was one of the great pool stories during covid.
Well Pre covid
There were 4 sent to the US Open years back to promote Chinese 8 ball.

My buddy ended up with 3....I bought them all cheap when his room folded, along with bunch of other tables. Road trip to Ohio, sleeping in the truck, moving 9 tables essentially alone.

On my trip home I,
Sold 1 to Bison Billiards in Buffalo
Sold 1 to a kid that helped us move them

When my room closed 2023, the man who bought my tables put the frames and rails in storage. He passed soon after. I had no way to know where this table or others were. The slates sat out back of my rental for 4 months. Eventually the landlord wanted them gone. So I smashed those 50mm plates along with a set of 50mm 5x10 billiards slates and took them to the dump.
 
Also long matches, around 3 hours when it was a race to 13
Who can sit and watch it for 3 hours?

I always looked at pool (8ball / 9ball / 10ball) as an aggressive game, fast and loose, less defense.
Snooker was the defensive game.
Playing pool on a snooker table always felt weird to me (it’s very common here as there are more snooker tables than pool tables but they play with smaller size balls, same size as snooker balls).
Nowadays pool is played on tight pockets and players play the percentage, a lot more defensive than it used to be. So maybe heyball has its place in today’s pool.
Although these tables play very differently than pool tables, it’s not just pockets size and the cut of them. It’s the hight of the table, the rails profile, the cloth, the no diamonds… totally different game.
My comparison: old-school '80s-'90s Camel Tour was a party. Heyball is like going to the doctor. NO comparison as to their ability to entertain. Yeah it requires precision but so does drilling holes in aluminum. I will say JOY's presentation is very good with clear video and decent commentary. The game tho just is flat.
 
I'd guess some from JOY but most from sponsor/advertisers and the commie party. BTW i'm TRYING to dig it more. Watching as i type this. The commentary is good actually but the game still just leaves me numb. May be fun to play but its pretty boring to sweat. Reinforces my take that 'hard' doesn't equate to entertaining.

yep. i do agree with sjm's conclusion tho, this is kind of a logical evolution for elite level 8-ball. the recent european 8b championship was a breaking contest. ultimate pool 8-ball is fun, but partly because it's pro-am.

i try to give heyball a chance and stay open minded. melling is fun. but he lost, it seems. most chinese players are slow
 
Oh come on... This is no more boring than 1pkt. I'm sure some if not all 1pkt fans will claim how much difficult and strategic 1pkt is. However, I'd wager there's more 8 and out happening in 1pkt these days then there is in the wide open chinese 8b rack. C-8ball is simply a strategy first game that requires successful players to 'develop' layouts before running and gunning.

Waaay back when I was only a snooker player. I used to play Chinese 8ball, but back then it was called "8b on those kiddy tables with the f*cked up pockets"...lol. That game was only smidge harder than 8b on a NA cut table. I can only assume the room had those tables so they could give the snooker overflow something to play on that resembled a snooker table, while maximizing floor space.

If I had only known, and not followed the NA trend of 9b. I could have been someone on the C-8b circuit...lol ;)
 
Oh come on... This is no more boring than 1pkt. I'm sure some if not all 1pkt fans will claim how much difficult and strategic 1pkt is. However, I'd wager there's more 8 and out happening in 1pkt these days then there is in the wide open chinese 8b rack. C-8ball is simply a strategy first game that requires successful players to 'develop' layouts before running and gunning.

Waaay back when I was only a snooker player. I used to play Chinese 8ball, but back then it was called "8b on those kiddy tables with the f*cked up pockets"...lol. That game was only smidge harder than 8b on a NA cut table. I can only assume the room had those tables so they could give the snooker overflow something to play on that resembled a snooker table, while maximizing floor space.
BIG difference is 1pkt IS a slow game and everyone knows it going in. This Heyball is a snoozefest to watch. Its cinch-pool at its absolute worst. It is not fun to watch. As if it couldn't be any more boring they play sets that are waaaay too long, so long in fact the matches have 140min time limit. WTF?? You like it fine but i'd rather mow the yard than watch this crap.
 
BIG difference is 1pkt IS a slow game and everyone knows it going in. This Heyball is a snoozefest to watch. Its cinch-pool at its absolute worst. It is not fun to watch. You like it fine but i'd rather mow the yard than watch this crap.
No I get it... But complaints about pace of play and glacier like table pattern development by 1pkt fans, is about as hypocritical as it can get...lol. Not saying you're complaining or a 1pkt fan. Just drawing a comparison to a somewhat popular NA game. That's actually played on a much easier table.
 
No I get it... But complaints about pace of play and glacier like table pattern development by 1pkt fans, is about as hypocritical as it can get...lol. Not saying you're complaining or a 1pkt fan. Just drawing a comparison to a somewhat popular NA game. That's actually played on a much easier table.
You still don't get it. I AM a 1pkt fan and YES i'm still complaining. The reason that me(and a shitload of other pool fans) don't like it is that 8ball was never meant to be this fkng slow. Its a poor variation of a great game imo. Call-shot, take what you make on a regular 9ft. is the way to play. Not this snookerized snoozefest. I've seen 1pkt sets go by faster than some of this i've watched.
 
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