Hitting cut shots with draw - why do I keep missing?

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Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.


Any thoughts/help?
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I'm a decent player (APA rank 4), and am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.


Any thoughts/help?
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Is it when at an angle , straight in ??? long distance vs short? What speed do you play?
Some people shoot at the pocket and on certain shots , the rail is partially in the way and uou must actually shoot at the facing or even farther out ,to have a chance. ,Try to explain the situation
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I'm a decent player (APA rank 4), and am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.


Any thoughts/help?
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a video would help of you shooting the shot
 
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Start with short distance shots…….OB and CB less than a foot apart……cut OBs to the side pocket and the CP. Cut the shots with normal roll (center ball) and draw paying close attention to the cling effect and gradually lengthen the distance between the balls. Many players over stroke the draw stroke and just miss their aim point on the CB. The speed of their stroke and/or changing grip pressure while delivering the stroke causes their stroke to miss the intended contact point on the OB. Pay attention to not squeezing the wrap, increasing you grip tension or bending/twisting your wrist, which can be very slight. The draw stroke requires following through & beyond the CB.
 
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book collector said:
Is it when at an angle , straight in ??? long distance vs short? What speed do you play?
Some people shoot at the pocket and on certain shots , the rail is partially in the way and uou must actually shoot at the facing or even farther out ,to have a chance. ,Try to explain the situation
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At an angle, what I would consider to be a run of the mill cut shot, close enough that I would still have back spin on the cue at contact. (see google image search picture for reference/example ball positions.) That shot I would be most comfortable hitting soft with center or top english and potting it. When I apply draw (which requires I hit a bit firmer) I tend to miss. I'm not sure if I miss short or long, but it misses.

The difference in speed may factor but I don't understand the physics behind that - I'll make the shot if I hit it with same speed using center cue contact if needed.
 

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Start with short distance shots…….OB and CB less than a foot apart……cut OBs to the side pocket and the CP. Cut the shots with normal roll (center ball) and draw paying close attention to the cling effect and gradually lengthen the distance between the balls. Many players over stroke the draw stroke and just miss their aim point on the CB. The speed of their stroke and/or changing grip pressure while delivering the stroke causes their stroke to miss the intended contact point on the OB. Pay attention to not squeezing the wrap, increasing you grip tension or bending/twisting your wrist, which can be very slight. The draw stroke requires following through & beyond the CB.
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Love this and will try it!
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I'm a decent player (APA rank 4), and am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.


Any thoughts/help?
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
At an angle, what I would consider to be a run of the mill cut shot, close enough that I would still have back spin on the cue at contact. (see google image search picture for reference/example ball positions.) That shot I would be most comfortable hitting soft with center or top english and potting it. When I apply draw (which requires I hit a bit firmer) I tend to miss. I'm not sure if I miss short or long, but it misses.

The difference in speed may factor but I don't understand the physics behind that - I'll make the shot if I hit it with same speed using center cue contact if needed.
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first with no disrespect intended as an APA 4 you are far from "decent" and still have many inaccuracies in your stroke.
plus your position play and shot selection /strategy need much improvement
but its this shot that is bugging you.
my speculation and without video very difficult to say
but putting draw on the cue ball requires more acceleration which for lower level players tends to cause grip and arm tightening and not stayimg down on the shot
one easy test is get a training ball or use a stripe
find the middle of the number or place the training ball so you have the vertical line for center
chalk well and shoot the shot
see if you hit vertical center or not (my guess is not) and did you hit it as low as intended
again with out video this is pure conjecture
one more piece of advice
find a local instructor who can observe you in person that will be a much better use of your time
jmho
icbw
 
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Get behind your object ball and study the point on the object ball that is furthest away from center pocket.
Might solve a multiple of evils.
Works for me on every shot thin or not.
I actually like low English on cut shots especially inside low.
Kills the cue ball off the rail especially when hit softly.
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
At an angle, what I would consider to be a run of the mill cut shot, close enough that I would still have back spin on the cue at contact. (see google image search picture for reference/example ball positions.) That shot I would be most comfortable hitting soft with center or top english and potting it. When I apply draw (which requires I hit a bit firmer) I tend to miss. I'm not sure if I miss short or long, but it misses.

The difference in speed may factor but I don't understand the physics behind that - I'll make the shot if I hit it with same speed using center cue contact if needed.
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On a shot like this , the pocket is smaller than usual. You can't draw a line from the ball through the pocket, the rail is in the way like I said in this case the bottom rail is poking out a bit.
Make sense?
 
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I would just start close to OB straight into a pocket with low CB. First see if you can just stop the CB at contact, no draw. Once you’re able to do that add a little more speed and go through the CB and draw it back to you., always concentrating on a smooth stroke, staying down with no extra movement. Then start adding an angle to your shots. Like bbb stated you’re probably magnifying flaws in your. stroke with the extra speed and being at a level 4
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
The difference in speed may factor but I don't understand the physics behind that - I'll make the shot if I hit it with same speed using center cue contact if needed.
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It's like your car's tire spinning out on the pavement when you punch the accelerator: more rubbing speed = less friction. It can be because of the CB's forward speed and/or because of the CB's spin.

Or (more likely as you're learning) it could be your aim and/or stroke gets wonky with draw, causing you to hit the wrong spot on the OB.

pj
chgo
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
At an angle, what I would consider to be a run of the mill cut shot, close enough that I would still have back spin on the cue at contact. (see google image search picture for reference/example ball positions.) That shot I would be most comfortable hitting soft with center or top english and potting it. When I apply draw (which requires I hit a bit firmer) I tend to miss. I'm not sure if I miss short or long, but it misses.

The difference in speed may factor but I don't understand the physics behind that - I'll make the shot if I hit it with same speed using center cue contact if needed.
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OK, I am indulging in some guessing here. Typically players at your level that miss this shot are missing it long. Probably shooting too hard and bouncing the ball out of the pocket for good measure.

I chose to answer this post rather than your original because of the image. Aim the center of the object ball right where they arrow points or just a hair more into the pocket and I predict your potting average will go up.

Something you might want to do first is find the aims that will pocket the ball. Start from long, a lesser angle, to short. One thing you will probably find is that you are not even shooting at a lot of places that will pocket the ball and the center of the area that will work. Shoot soft shots to find this. Most players don't pay attention to where they can pocket the ball. Learn that, then you can make adjustments from the right place.

If you are indeed missing long, after you find the true center of the area that will pocket the ball, start aiming a quarter of the opening shorter. Vice Versa if you are missing short. If you are missing both sides, look for a stroke error when trying to apply draw. Ain't this game fun???

Hu
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I'm a decent player (APA rank 4), and am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.


Any thoughts/help?
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As many have said, we would need to see your stroke to really say, it could be a number of things. That being said, most draw miscues and misses are due to a deceleration or lack of acceleration on the stroke. Try aiming at a point in the middle of the CB rather than just aiming at striking the CB.

I gave the same advice to Donny Mills when he asked me last time I was in Florida. It wasn't about missing shots with him though, it was something else to do with draw.

Jaden
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I'm a decent player (APA rank 4), and am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.


Any thoughts/help?
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When you miss, do you hit your cut shots with draw thin or thick mostly? If you don't know, keep observing it until you can answer..
 
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Fats_Brown_Lives said:
Hi all - first post. Anyone have guidance on how to hit a standard cut shot with normal back draw? I'm a decent player (APA rank 4), and am comfortable hitting cuts and draw shots, but when I combine it - I miss at a frustrating percentage. I've researched it and scoured youtube, but no one seems to have trouble making the object ball or offer any methods different than if I were to hit center or top English.
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Do you compensate for the side spin at impact (throw) ?
Do you compensate for the deflection when you apply side-spin ?
Do you compensate for the arc the CB takes down the table due to the side=spin (swerve) ?!?

I suggest you problem is with these three things !!!
 
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MitchAlsup said:
Do you compensate for the side spin at impact (throw) ?
Do you compensate for the deflection when you apply side-spin ?
Do you compensate for the arc the CB takes down the table due to the side=spin (swerve) ?!?

I suggest you problem is with these three things !!!
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doesnt sound like the op is using spin???
i could be wrong
 
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