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jimmyg

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Considering; 1) No one from Ho's camp has publically acknowledged any interest in the IPT. 2) The IPT's "good will" value has been diminished by the latest non payment developments 3) KT's reputation for exagerating the truth. 4) The current appearance of the IPT's financial difficulties.

How many people still believe that Ho will buy the IPT at any price?

How many people still believe that HO will pay $150M for the IPT?

Would anyone book bets on any one of those questions? If so, at what odds?
 
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I think "someone" just still has their eye on the prize.... I also think it was great while it lasted...
 
I sure enjoyed the ride.

The early birds sure did make out okay. I feel sorry for the ones who came aboard after Vegas.

Now it is back to following the Florida Pro Tour. That is if they ever decide to play in the Tampa area again.

Jake
 
I'd give the IPT folks another 2 weeks to make good on the prizes before I came to the conclusion that Reno contestants are stiffed. Maybe the qualifier funds are needed to help complete payouts.

Martin


jimmyg said:
Considering; 1) No one from Ho's camp has publically acknowledged any interest in the IPT. 2) The IPT's "good will" value has been diminished by the latest non payment developments 3) KT's reputation for exagerating the truth. 4) The current appearance of the IPT's financial difficulties.

How many people still believe that Ho will buy the IPT at any price?

How many people still believe that HO will pay $150M for the IPT?

Would anyone book bets on any one of those questions? If so, at what odds?
 
The IPT will pay. I just don't know if they'll survive. It's looking bad. This non-payment is a massive, massive stain on the IPT. It is severely damaging, and it has already killed a huge part of their business. No one is showing up at the qualifiers. A big part of the IPT business model is the legitimacy of it as a real tour with real money and professionalism. This is not professional or real or legitimate.


I wonder if the players can do anything about this. You know, he does make them fill out IRS forms...this is a form of employment. They played, they get paid. If an employer doesn't pay you, the labor department will intervene. You'd think that since the scumbag government that taxes income and deals with labor issues would defend players who got stiffed since the government is going to get a cut of the winnings. Jeesh.


Get one thief after another.
 
In spit of the fact Kevin Trudeau was heading it, didn't we all hope it would make it? Did the PGA, which I don't think is a good comparison to pool, start off with such huge purses? I think it would be more appropriate to compare pool to bowling. They have had a men's tour forever and still don't play for the type of purses KT was offering. It will take years to make a men's tour viable. Wouldn't it be nice to see a legitimate business man spear head a men's tour? Would the men screw it up?
 
Never should have offered ridiculous prize money

Had the IPT purses been a little more sustainable from the start, let's say a maximum of 25% above all other tournament purses, that would have been enough to...

(A) Draw the top pros looking for bigger money.
(B) Not raise so many doubts/questions regarding the IPT business model.
(C) Allowed for lower qualification fees, drawing more entrants.

Unfortunately, KT promised funny money and anyone with half a brain had to know that the IPT business model just wouldn't support that weight. KT may be a millionaire, but did anyone think he was going to dig into his pockets to pay the winners?. As long as the IPT made money, KT was on board. Now that it's floundering, he's trying to unload it like so many cans of bad tuna.
 
LOL, Klopek from the Burbs! (good movie, cheesy, but good)


The big prize money was part of the IPT business plan. The question remained, if big prize money was offered, would people take notice?


KT proved that it doesn't. Unlike Poker, pool did not raise much attention outside of pool with the big prize money. That either shows that big prize money didn't work for pool or doesn't work at all, or that Poker and others depend on something more than prize money to get attention.

Even we speculated as a pool community, long before the IPT, of the question of whether or not HUGE money would get pool on the map. As if it is a prerequisite to fame and success.
 
jimmyg said:
Considering; 1) No one from Ho's camp has publically acknowledged any interest in the IPT. 2) The IPT's "good will" value has been diminished by the latest non payment developments 3) KT's reputation for exagerating the truth. 4) The current appearance of the IPT's financial difficulties.
jimmyg said:
How many people still believe that Ho will buy the IPT at any price?
I'm sure something is in the works, cold be anything from a small infusion of cash, or total buyout or bailout considering the IPT is in debt, but knowing KT he could still walk away with something.

jimmyg said:
How many people still believe that HO will pay $150M for the IPT?
Never thought that was even close, when the PBA was in debt it sold out to a few Microsoft millionaires for around 8 million. 150 million must have been some amazing creative thinking on KT's part, maybe he assumed if HO continued the IPT with the huge purses it would come to 150 million in 15 years hence HO paid out 150 million, just not to him:D

jimmyg said:
Would anyone book bets on any one of those questions? If so, at what odds?
Never, all up in the air as the whole IPT has been, to be honest I still believe it will hang around longer, but also think it's been much more then I thought it would have been so far.
 
Klopek said:
Had the IPT purses been a little more sustainable from the start, let's say a maximum of 25% above all other tournament purses, that would have been enough to...

(A) Draw the top pros looking for bigger money.
(B) Not raise so many doubts/questions regarding the IPT business model.
(C) Allowed for lower qualification fees, drawing more entrants.

Unfortunately, KT promised funny money and anyone with half a brain had to know that the IPT business model just wouldn't support that weight. KT may be a millionaire, but did anyone think he was going to dig into his pockets to pay the winners?. As long as the IPT made money, KT was on board. Now that it's floundering, he's trying to unload it like so many cans of bad tuna.

When has the IPT "made money". I ask because I believe you mean made money as in turned a profit. I don't it has or was planned to turn a profit in the first year. Delusioned or not KT did say that he had committed x-amount to the venture and if it failed then it was his money anyway and worth a shot.

Of course I think he was going to pay the players out of "his" pocket. That pocket being whatever amount of start-up money he allocated to the IPT. I think most us can see from teh outside looking in that the IPT hasn't generated any signifigant revenues from qualifiers, tournament attendance or entry fees. We have no idea how many people signed up on the website or what the sponsors from the last event kicked in.

We also have no idea what is on the horizon. While we are speculating on what we think think KT thinks he is probably working to achieve his goals regarding the IPT. None of us know what KT has gong on. We especially don't know what is going on internally at the IPT office (wherever that is).

A lot of you seem to be able read an awfully lot into events. The whole area of discussion centered around what KT "intended" what he "intends" what he "really wants" and so on is quite amusing. Having been around entrepeneurs for most fo my adult life I can tell you that they are usually several steps ahead of most people in the planning, dreaming, doing departments. So while we are discussing Kevin's move to date he is probably already down the road. Whether the IPT is on that road or not is something we will all find out when he is ready to tell us. Sucks but that is the way it is.

I have looked and can find no way to see if the PGA, the WTA, the PBA, or even the UPA is financially solvent, what their inner workings are, or even whether their players, employees, and vendors all get paid on time.

So it is ludicrous to think that a privately held enterprise owes us an explanation for the moves they make. I think they owe themselves some good PR by not letting the specualtion spin out of control. It's unfortunate that such a good marketer won't dedicate someone to be the voice of the IPT and interact with the hard core fans. But that is their issue and we just have to deal with it.

John
 
Onepocketchump - You've chosen to target my last and most inconsequential point. My main point being that the prize money never should've been so ridiculously unsustainable. I stand by that.

While I realize the IPT didn't turn a profit, the only reason KT would have put any of his own money on the line is if he could forsee making it back tenfold. If he was only using his own money, (which I doubt), how deep was he going to dig into his pockets before he pulled the plug?.

KT was running a business, which means at some point he expected there to be a profit margin. I'm not playing psychic, but I know that giving away more than you take in will sink a project faster than any amount of promotion can pump it up.

As jjinfla mentioned in another thread, there just isn't a market for pool at the kind of level KT envisioned. It was a pipe dream and the pipe burst.
 
onepocketchump said:
So it is ludicrous to think that a privately held enterprise owes us an explanation for the moves they make. I think they owe themselves some good PR by not letting the specualtion spin out of control. It's unfortunate that such a good marketer won't dedicate someone to be the voice of the IPT and interact with the hard core fans. But that is their issue and we just have to deal with it.

John

They may not owe "us" an explanation but they sure do owe the players an explanation.

JJJ
 
<<You know, he does make them fill out IRS forms...this is a form of employment. >>

Not a chance. The players are "independent contractors" and NONE of the rules upon which an employee/employer relationship is based are found in the relationship between the IPT and the players.

<<They played, they get paid. If an employer doesn't pay you, the labor department will intervene.>>

No it won't. The DOL does not involve itself in payment/non-payment disputes except in highly specialized circumstances such as minimum wage etc.

According to the DOL Mission Statement, this is what they do...

"The Department of Labor fosters and promotes the welfare of the job seekers, wage earners, and retirees of the United States by improving their working conditions, advancing their opportunities for profitable employment, protecting their retirement and health care benefits, helping employers find workers, strengthening free collective bargaining, and tracking changes in employment, prices, and other national economic measurements."
 
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