Holding visual focus

I can't do that with the table itself because there is nothing to use as a reference, spatially, to accurately keep the point in focus.
I read this and then thought back to my snooker days when I first learnt to hit small spheres with a stick into one another. I'm too far removed from that game to be 100% on this, but I swear I was taught to shoot the CB down the aim line, not attempt to make the CB hit a portion of the OB. My memory is honestly blurry on this.

These days playing pool, I definitively attempt to place the CB in what we can call the ghost ball location for the correct contact.
 
I read this and then thought back to my snooker days when I first learnt to hit small spheres with a stick into one another. I'm too far removed from that game to be 100% on this, but I swear I was taught to shoot the CB down the aim line, not attempt to make the CB hit a portion of the OB. My memory is honestly blurry on this.

These days playing pool, I definitively attempt to place the CB in what we can call the ghost ball location for the correct contact.

Exactly, and to put the cb into the ghostball location, you have to reference the ob's location.

As far as aiming via fractions or portions of the ob, that is a common approach for beginning snooker players. The deliberate conscious effort of focusing on the ob, visualizing cb-ob relationships, is a great way to gather the visual knowledge needed to pocket balls. Even when focusing on where one estimates an imaginary ghostball to be, the ob is still being used by the mind as a solid visual reference to help with that estimation. Contact point or contact patch shooters are also referencing the ob.

No matter which aiming method someone uses, the ob is always in sight, always being referenced by the mind, either consciously or unconsciously. This is how the mind ends up creating a visual data base of cb-ob relationships, so that eventually you can just look at most shots and automatically know how to pocket them without consciously looking at the contact point or ghostball location. And when you've been doing it for decades, and someone asks you, "How do you aim?", you probably say..."I don't really know...I just see the shot and shoot it."
 
Suggestion:

When moving down into the stance, LOOK AT THE CUE BALL.

Why? Because you can see the relationship between the cue plane vis-a-vis the cue ball. That is, look at the tip/cueball so when you're bending over you don't waggle the cue out of the plane. If you look at the cueball, you can be damn sure that the cue is staying in plane as you descend.

After all, you've already established your aim when standing so now your job is to put everything in the aiming plane, not to keep aiming as you go down on the shot.

I switched to this in the past year and it really helps aiming and helps to hit the part of the cueball you want to hit.

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Jeff Livingston
 
After all, you've already established your aim when standing so now your job is to put everything in the aiming plane, not to keep aiming as you go down on the shot.
We've been down this rabbit hole before....lol

I determine a general sense of alignment before I get down on the shot. IMO, you cannot fully 'aim' until you're down on the shot and have a sense of CB reaction to cue contact.
 
Exactly, and to put the cb into the ghostball location, you have to reference the ob's location.
Yes... but that only done initially and then the focus isn't on the OB anymore but rather the aim line. You don't try to put the CB at the ghots ball location. You determine an aim line with the ghost ball, then only attempt to get the CB to follow that line.

Bearing in mind that snooker is generally more of a stun game or straight draw/follow, and doesn't use an abundance of siding. Not saying you can't, but it's not the norm for the vast majority of shots.
 
Yes... but that only done initially and then the focus isn't on the OB anymore but rather the aim line. You don't try to put the CB at the ghots ball location. You determine an aim line with the ghost ball, then only attempt to get the CB to follow that line.

Bearing in mind that snooker is generally more of a stun game or straight draw/follow, and doesn't use an abundance of siding. Not saying you can't, but it's not the norm for the vast majority of shots.

I like that, in bold. And I use different methods for determining the aim line. I just never used fractional aiming until I devised a more accurate way of using it. Now I use it quite often, along with other aiming tools I've naturally acquired over the last 35+ years.

Building the stance and stroke around the aim line, the path the cb needs to follow, is the key. How you get the key is a matter of personal preference, whatever works best for you.
 
We've been down this rabbit hole before....lol

I determine a general sense of alignment before I get down on the shot. IMO, you cannot fully 'aim' until you're down on the shot and have a sense of CB reaction to cue contact.

I'm speaking of looking at the cueball as you lower into your stance.

That's all. For some reason, I've brought this up 4 times with various posters here, I think and each time I get the aim while standing lecture. I don't get it.

I suggesting looking at the cueball when going into your stance.

Instead of looking at the object ball when going into your stance, look at the cueball while you go into your stance....in order to put/keep you cue in the exact plane you want it to be in.

So, what I'm saying is....try looking at the cueball while you're going into your stance.


Jeff Livingston
 
So, what I'm saying is....try looking at the cueball while you're going into your stance.
Although I haven't made a concious effort to monitor what I'm doing while getting down on the shot yet. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that the CB and possibly the first handful of inches of the aim line are most likely my focus. Placing my bridge hand would be guess work otherwise.

Next time I'm at the table I'll make a mental note of what I'm doing exactly.
 
Although I haven't made a concious effort to monitor what I'm doing while getting down on the shot yet. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that the CB and possibly the first handful of inches of the aim line are most likely my focus. Placing my bridge hand would be guess work otherwise.

Next time I'm at the table I'll make a mental note of what I'm doing exactly.
When things are working at their best, I think my elbow hinge and cue line are synced, with my bridge acting to both hold the cue and allow the one piece moving cue/arm action, to be meshed to the aim line.
Language fails to describe because it is linear and sequential by nature.
Finding the aim line is part of the process and held in mind somehow, while the rest of the alignment takes place.
The transitions involve bring information and resources together in a timed fashion.
Each important in their moment but needing to give way to what comes next.
 
I read this and then thought back to my snooker days when I first learnt to hit small spheres with a stick into one another. I'm too far removed from that game to be 100% on this, but I swear I was taught to shoot the CB down the aim line, not attempt to make the CB hit a portion of the OB. My memory is honestly blurry on this.

These days playing pool, I definitively attempt to place the CB in what we can call the ghost ball location for the correct contact.
duckie would call this the contact patch i think???
 
i will say for me the best way is at address i lock into my aiming point or contact point (overlap aimimg) on the object ball
i keep that focus thru out the take back and follow thru
i stay down to see how close to my target did i hit
a drill i do now to improve my accuracy
i play alot of onepocket
so i line up a long 1 rail bank ...ie short rail to pocket
in a straight line
and try to hit it so the cue ball PERFECTLY follows the the object ball
if you back cut it alittle
you will still make it
but making it is not the goal
jmho
 
Please explain why this is a myth?

??? what does that/this mean?
Many players sometimes or always watch elsewhere.
Sometimes it is just shot from rail where they watch cueball but many players use it other places too.
I personally look aiming line more than ball(and aiming line can be edge of my shaft.. It often is.). I see ball but not look it. My studies with students have shown for me that looking object ball tends to crook stroke and looking aiming line straighten it.
If people use contact points to aim and watch contact point you still cant point your cue there. That why it is so hard to many people learn straight stroke IMO.
Hard to explain for me foreign language that but i tried to my best.
watching contact point far=imo harder to cue straight. It is doable, just harder. More feel and more table time needed to be consistent. I used to do this and when I finally gave up my game went many levels up in consistency.
 
Many players sometimes or always watch elsewhere.
Sometimes it is just shot from rail where they watch cueball but many players use it other places too.
I personally look aiming line more than ball(and aiming line can be edge of my shaft.. It often is.). I see ball but not look it. My studies with students have shown for me that looking object ball tends to crook stroke and looking aiming line straighten it.
If people use contact points to aim and watch contact point you still cant point your cue there. That why it is so hard to many people learn straight stroke IMO.
Hard to explain for me foreign language that but i tried to my best.
watching contact point far=imo harder to cue straight. It is doable, just harder. More feel and more table time needed to be consistent. I used to do this and when I finally gave up my game went many levels up in consistency.
is this a correct analogy ?
using darts for the analogy
you dont look at the bullseye and try to get the dart to go there?
you visualize the line your arm /hand has to go to get the dart to the bullseye?
 
is this a correct analogy ?
using darts for the analogy
you dont look at the bullseye and try to get the dart to go there?
you visualize the line your arm /hand has to go to get the dart to the bullseye?
Maybe.. I was ok on darts 30 years ago and could put 180s but stopped throwing. Not remember so good how i was watching it. But i don´t like analogies on many other sports because pool stroke is different than throwing or kicking. You have aiming tool(cue) that many other sports don´t and there you need to look differently.
 
Maybe.. I was ok on darts 30 years ago and could put 180s but stopped throwing. Not remember so good how i was watching it. But i don´t like analogies on many other sports because pool stroke is different than throwing or kicking. You have aiming tool(cue) that many other sports don´t and there you need to look differently.
thank you for your reply
 
From the perspective of (advanced beginner? Lower intermediate? I'm a 5 in APA 9-ball playing recently like a 3 . . . . . )
I don't know what I am lol. I'm not a beginner by any means. I'd say I'm a higher intermediate. When I'm in stroke, it's trouble for my opponent. I feel like a predator with a magic ability to control spheres. When I do a human blunder and miss a shot... I feel like a ripe beginner. I've had an on again off again relationship with pool in the past. If my performance always matched my head game and knowledge, I would be dangerous. I'd say what I need is to play for several hours a night for a couple years to get where I'd like to be.

Why you fell/see the shot and miss? Let me know if you find out because I too would like to know! 😅 It could be many things, maybe mechanics, maybe focus, the list goes on and on. Personally, if it's not something like not having an intention fully set, it's usually speed control or I didn't get down on the shot right. I had a shot just like that last night. I missed and I still have no idea what happened. It was fully visualized and I was 100% confident the ball was going to drop. Something happened and it rattled off the point. I think I didn't hit the ball hard enough to negate some of the CIT throw from a cut and follow I put on to avoid a scratch, but I can't be sure. I plan on practicing the shot with doughnuts to tune it in my shot database.

How is your focus? It's the hardest thing to develop and the easiest thing to lose in a match. Most of my problems are focus related, but it's been getting better. @CJ Wiley recently posted a video here (about 2 min in). I tried his technique and it had me IN THE ZONE. It's dead simple but it gets you tuned into the table and minimizes environmental (even pain) distractions. I've even heard of the technique before but never tried it.

This is a frustrating game, but I wouldn't have it any other way!
 
@CJ Wiley recently posted a video here (about 2 min in). I tried his technique and it had me IN THE ZONE. It's dead simple but it gets you tuned into the table and minimizes environmental (even pain) distractions. I've even heard of the technique before but never tried it.
Mind posting the Cole's Notes version...? As soon as people start speaking about spirituality in pool I glaze over and swear I have mini strokes, because I'll have gaps in my memory. May just be my mind protecting itself from the trauma.
 
From the perspective of......

Just now, I walked up to the table, made the 1, 2, 3, and set up perfectly for the 4. Rattled the 4 in and out of the pocket. Then made the 5 and 6.

Then I played another rack, and before I started shooting, I *knew* I would successfully run out. And I did.

WTH? I *SO* need to remember the feeling when I know it's going to be a run out, and what I am lacking when I fail to run out.
Stop trying to 'feel' shots, and stick to the fundamentals. Become a robot and focus on your PSR. Treat every shot like its a game winner even though you may have 8 more to go. There's no room for incense burning and out of body bs when you're legitmately trying to learn the game. It's math and mechanics. Forget about all the 'zone' crap. The zone for a 5 is subconciously remembering to chalk your cue.

Your issues are typical of a 5 in APA 9-ball. You need to walk before you run. There's no magic pil... etc etc...
 
Yes... but that only done initially and then the focus isn't on the OB anymore but rather the aim line. You don't try to put the CB at the ghots ball location. You determine an aim line with the ghost ball, then only attempt to get the CB to follow that line.

Bearing in mind that snooker is generally more of a stun game or straight draw/follow, and doesn't use an abundance of siding. Not saying you can't, but it's not the norm for the vast majority of shots.
I feel like a weirdo for how I aim but I feel like we are doing something similar. A ghost ball is imaginary (I get the concept, but nothing is there at the table, it's still knowing the size of the spheres). I don't want to see fractions or divisions on the balls. I can, but it's too much to piss with. My head doesn't work in fractions, imaginary aim points and such. What I can see is the line from the back of the ball to the pocket (or carom, target, etc.) and make the CB strike the OB in a way that makes the ball go exactly down that path to the part of the pocket I imagined the aim line. My CB is real, and a ghostball is similar, but it negates things like CIT, the effects of english and such. Ghost ball still requires feel. I don't want to imagine a ghostball because it doesn't have the "feel" that my CB does. I can't have a ghostball become an extension of my body like my stick and CB becomes because it's only a concept with no physical existence. I AIM, but the feel is where it's at for me. Personally (and it might be because I'm a weirdo lol) I want the feel with no distractions. I aim with a single point on the back of the OB (that is imaginary 😅) and let the feel of the CB/Stroke do the rest. Sometimes I'm aiming down the aim line, sometimes a point, depends on what feel it needs? I let the stick do the work and listen for the sweet sound of a well stroked ball. It has to be about feel/sound for me or I can't properly focus. Living in the moment and letting all the math stay in the textbook. It's still very important to observe what happens on the shot because without this visual part, you don't learn. I know it sounds dumb, but when I shoot, the OB also becomes an extension of my body/senses. I really get into feeling what the CB does after impact. If feels like I'm willing it (not forcing it) to go. It's almost a visualization technique, but in the time you take practice strokes/waggle. I aim standing up and fall into stance. I visualize and "get the feel" on the practice strokes. I also learned better at hands on projects in school and science.

I'm not knocking how anyone aims, we all are different creatures with different things that make us tick. It's just so hard to discuss aiming, but as far as holding visual focus, it's definitely needed no matter what system we use to pocket balls. If you don't have to maintain much visual focus, you've probably just developed your stroke and spatial awareness to the point you don't have to as much. But switching equipment, you'll have to get back into the groove of aiming.

I guess the aim line you take from the ghost ball is most likely the same one I take from the back of the ball, your aim line most likely intersects the back of the ball in the same place I imagine. I mean, there's roughly only one way for the balls to collide to get the same target. Personally, I'm wired in a way that imagining extra stuff just messes me up, so I try to eliminate anything extra.
When things are working at their best, I think my elbow hinge and cue line are synced, with my bridge acting to both hold the cue and allow the one piece moving cue/arm action, to be meshed to the aim line.
Language fails to describe because it is linear and sequential by nature.
Finding the aim line is part of the process and held in mind somehow, while the rest of the alignment takes place.
The transitions involve bring information and resources together in a timed fashion.
Each important in their moment but needing to give way to what comes next.
Yes! When you aim properly and "fall" into your stance naturally, it's all golden. You have a stroke, you have good mechanics, good stance and the whole ball of wax. I don't fully understand the term "rhythm" but I think it's likely a synonym if you minimize the timing aspect.

Mind posting the Cole's Notes version...? As soon as people start speaking about spirituality in pool I glaze over and swear I have mini strokes, because I'll have gaps in my memory. May just be my mind protecting itself from the trauma.
Sure. It's not really anything woo woo. @CJ Wiley called it self hypnosis. I've heard it described as a way to ground yourself if you have anxiety/adhd/some forms of autism while looking for ADD fighting tips. First you SEE three things in the room. (Color of opponent's shirt, The cloth on the table, an LED display across the room). You HEAR three things in the room (clack of the balls, a snare drum in the song on the jukebox, some lady laughing like a hen). You FEEL three things (your butt on the chair, the cold air currents on your skin, the wood on the shaft). Next do this process with two things, then follow it by one thing.

I don't think that I would call it hypnosis, but what you've done is become more in tune with the room and you can ignore everything but pool and what you need to do on the table. You're grounded and it's like tunnel vision you get in dead stroke. It's pretty damn amazing, might not work for everyone, but it put me in the ZONE. No distractions and I could properly set my intent. I won two games in a row against much stronger players and it looked like I was toying with both of them. I even gave one guy BIH purposely because I knew he was scared to break out one of the two clusters and would shoot his blocker "duck" out of my way. There was no way to win unless one of us made a mistake. The thing he didn't account for was that my "mistake" was an inescapable trap. He knew his duck had to be made, but I got a read on him, he would refuse to do so and shot himself into worse trouble. I wasn't feeling particularly mean or anything, but I made sure to roll his duck into the pocket as I was getting pinpoint shape on the 8. There's no way I have the focus to do this normally and would usually have sold out through impatience.

IDK, it's a pretty easy thing to try and I enjoyed the results.
 
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