How are the U.S. 3C org. doing Today????

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How are the U.S. 3C org. doing Today????

I believed there might be 2 or 3 Origination today??

We can ask...
1. Tournaments
2. Membership
3. Promoting

A course we know youth (junior) is weak!!!! But what about our Female 3C players?????

I know Carom Cafe Doing it Best!! Are the other 3C rooms doing, anythings!!!?
 
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billiardshot said:
How are the U.S. 3C org. doing Today????

I believed there might be 2 or 3 Origination today??

We can ask...
1. Tournaments
2. Membership
3. Promoting

A course we know youth (junior) is weak!!!! But what about our Female 3C players?????

I know Carom Cafe Doing it Best!! Are the other 3C rooms doing, anythings!!!?
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It has been a failure to try to convince any other pool rooms in Massachusetts to buy a single carom table. I’ve been trying for about 7 years.
 
billiardshot said:
How are the U.S. 3C org. doing Today????

I believed there might be 2 or 3 Origination today??

We can ask...
1. Tournaments
2. Membership
3. Promoting

A course we know youth (junior) is weak!!!! But what about our Female 3C players?????

I know Carom Cafe Doing it Best!! Are the other 3C rooms doing, anythings!!!?
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The biggest tournaments in the US are not promoted that well at all.
The smaller local tournaments you'll never hear about unless you play at the same place regularly.
Membership? Those are not as common in the US as they are around the rest of the world.
Promoting? Very little to almost none.

A couple years back a local pro 3c player and I were looking for a female with interest and talent that we could train to help grow the sport and potentially send overseas. lol that never worked out. the best candidates could not average .5 at best. 3c is hard af.
 
nataddrho said:
It has been a failure to try to convince any other pool rooms in Massachusetts to buy a single carom table. I’ve been trying for about 7 years.
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I think i agree with the pool rooms. 99% of real pool players don't care about carom billiards

At bogies billiards in Houston we used to have a 10' carom table and literally no one ever played on it. Years went by and it just never made any money.
 
Texas3cushion said:
I think i agree with the pool rooms. 99% of real pool players don't care about carom billiards

At bogies billiards in Houston we used to have a 10' carom table and literally no one ever played on it. Years went by and it just never made any money.
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“Where are the pockets” or “what the hell is the point of this game?” Are the most common comments the general public attaches to 3C videos online.

“Foul” or “try doing that on the first try” are the most common for pool.

People are much more engaged in pool because culture has taught them the simple objective of the game. A carom table to them looks like a bowling alley without pins, or a chessboard without squares. Too ambiguous to gain interest based off of what they think they know about it.
 
It's indeed hard af, the learning curve is long, there's no instant gratification and the frustration of getting poor results can be sky high. Which is why we should stop comparing 3C to other, more commercially succesful sports. 3-cushion is and will always be a small, niche sport globally. I can live with that. If you have caviar, don't try to change it into Dorito's.
 
The biggest misunderstanding I see pool players make about 3c is that, "3c will help you with your pool game".

This idea is only half true but much more nuanced that pool players like to believe.

3c will teach you how to use new angles yet the equipment plays so radically different that most of the time the most similar shots between the two games are actually shot quite differently.

long story shotr, "don't play 3c to get better at pool, play 3c to enjoy the game itself".

after many years you wont see the benefit 3c offers to pool and when you do you'll realize it's almost always pointless to shoot 3c shots in pool and even one pocket.
 
Texas3cushion said:
The biggest misunderstanding I see pool players make about 3c is that, "3c will help you with your pool game".

This idea is only half true but much more nuanced that pool players like to believe.

3c will teach you how to use new angles yet the equipment plays so radically different that most of the time the most similar shots between the two games are actually shot quite differently.

long story shotr, "don't play 3c to get better at pool, play 3c to enjoy the game itself".

after many years you wont see the benefit 3c offers to pool and when you do you'll realize it's almost always pointless to shoot 3c shots in pool and even one pocket.
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While vastly different games I think the knowledge of 3c is an advantage for a pool player especially in their early and mid- level stage.
The cue ball is the game and 3c will teach a player everything and anything there is to understand it’s movement with confidence.
I think it helps for quicker decision making and less confusion.

Other advantages I see.
Of course all the angles and how to strike the cue ball to get in the position track.

Pattern play because you see the options and tracks more easily.

Safety play recognition and execution.
Recognizing 1,2,3,or 4 options quickly is an advantage and I think a 3c player see the choices easily.

The execution of sending the cue ball and object ball in different directions and distance with speed, spin, and thickness of the hit is more understood when you’ve hit that thickness 1000 times on a 3c table.

I’m on a boat in the ocean waiting for the tide to change and bored, just rambling.
 
SmoothStroke said:
While vastly different games I think the knowledge of 3c is an advantage for a pool player especially in their early and mid- level stage.
The cue ball is the game and 3c will teach a player everything and anything there is to understand it’s movement with confidence.
I think it helps for quicker decision making and less confusion.

Other advantages I see.
Of course all the angles and how to strike the cue ball to get in the position track.

Pattern play because you see the options and tracks more easily.

Safety play recognition and execution.
Recognizing 1,2,3,or 4 options quickly is an advantage and I think a 3c player see the choices easily.

The execution of sending the cue ball and object ball in different directions and distance with speed, spin, and thickness of the hit is more understood when you’ve hit that thickness 1000 times on a 3c table.

I’m on a boat in the ocean waiting for the tide to change and bored, just rambling.
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The 'Carom & 3C' game He started with is what made Efren the Best player of His time at Pool!
 
Just read an old 2018 article on Korea Billiard

Excerpt....
Each year, 30 billiard competitions open nationwide. The federation sends 80 percent of their players to carom competitions, 18 percent go to snooker competitions and the remaining two percent compete in pool competitions.

Korea is somewhat out of step with international trends, as pool is the most popular billiard sport globally, followed by snooker and carom. According to the Korea Billiards Federation, pool, which is more popular among women, should receive more support.
Whole article: https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.co...lliards-make-a-triumphant-return/3056039.html
 
@Texas3cushion is right. As someone who has spent years practicing carom games on a pool table… there is almost no slide, you lose a ton of energy off of the rails, long short longs mostly track to near the corners, and trying to properly go longer introduces side pockets as obstacles. The rubber is extra soft near the edges of pockets and this destroys a lot of 3C shots. Pool tables are easier to control short rail first shots, opposite of carom tables.

Pool tables are still great for 1 cushion, even with pockets. These skills transfer well. Also 235 / Taiwanese carom is an awesome game on both a pool and carom table. But 3C just gets too weird and forceful on a pool table and there are a lot of sliding and nuanced skills that won’t work in pool. It’s better to take simple direct carom options instead like 1 or 2 rails in pool.
 
billiardshot said:
How are the U.S. 3C org. doing Today????

I believed there might be 2 or 3 Origination today??

We can ask...
1. Tournaments
2. Membership
3. Promoting

A course we know youth (junior) is weak!!!! But what about our Female 3C players?????

I know Carom Cafe Doing it Best!! Are the other 3C rooms doing, anythings!!!?
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Lucky's Billiards in Okc has three carom tables and they are always busy. There are players from all over - Vietnam, Korea, Mexico, Columbia, and of course USA that play. A lot of the Vietnamese used to play straight rail, but it seems like almost everyone plays 3C now. These are the #1, #2, and #3 most profitable tables in the place - and it isn't even close.

Sadly, I see few juniors or women playing - and no junior (or women) training programs. -bes
 
nataddrho said:
@Texas3cushion is right. As someone who has spent years practicing carom games on a pool table… there is almost no slide, you lose a ton of energy off of the rails, long short longs mostly track to near the corners, and trying to properly go longer introduces side pockets as obstacles. The rubber is extra soft near the edges of pockets and this destroys a lot of 3C shots. Pool tables are easier to control short rail first shots, opposite of carom tables.

Pool tables are still great for 1 cushion, even with pockets. These skills transfer well. Also 235 / Taiwanese carom is an awesome game on both a pool and carom table. But 3C just gets too weird and forceful on a pool table and there are a lot of sliding and nuanced skills that won’t work in pool. It’s better to take simple direct carom options instead like 1 or 2 rails in pool.
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In the area that I live, there are no 3C tables for 160 miles North or South.

8 years ago, in a local room they installed a 5'x10' GC1 pool table.

I was smart enough to know Not to practice 3C on it with 'Carom' balls, horrible angles. I use the CB, 1 ball and 3 ball.

Over a few years I ran many 7's, 8's, 9's and one day I ran a 13!

The room had Certificate put up on the wall by the table.
 
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bes said:
Lucky's Billiards in Okc has three carom tables and they are always busy. There are players from all over - Vietnam, Korea, Mexico, Columbia, and of course USA that play. A lot of the Vietnamese used to play straight rail, but it seems like almost everyone plays 3C now. These are the #1, #2, and #3 most profitable tables in the place - and it isn't even close.

Sadly, I see few juniors or women playing - and no junior (or women) training programs. -bes
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If it were so lucrative they’d have 6 by now in there doubling profits
 
Texas3cushion said:
A couple years back a local pro 3c player and I were looking for a female with interest and talent that we could train to help grow the sport and potentially send overseas. lol that never worked out. the best candidates could not average .5 at best. 3c is hard af.
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Texas3cushion ... That what my dear Dieckman was trying to do for both Female and our Youth ! Yesyura also try to do the the same.. Money, Promoter, training/materials not there... today. I would always support youth or female event if ask. Paul Frankel,know that from past Event. So did Jim Shovel.
 
mr3cushion said:
Rich, that's where John Guffey plays 3C.
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Bill ... just wonder ... how many Cuemakers ... Beside Paul Dayton, Dieckman. Guffery, and not counting Product Cue Build (McDemott), or others. Made Cues to your spec? And what is "Chicago Bad Boy" cue spec???
 
billiardshot said:
Bill ... just wonder ... how many Cuemakers ... Beside Paul Dayton, Dieckman. Guffery, and not counting Product Cue Build (McDemott), or others. Made Cues to your spec? And what is "Chicago Bad Boy" cue spec???
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Omega made 2 custom Carom cues to my specs.
 
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