how are ya'll doing in league ?

[justadub]

I think you're quite clear, and I don't see it as argumentative. Just lively forum debate, which is the point, after all.

While I won't put words in anyone's mouth, I think the "we don't play enough defense" is just a generalization, that many folks just simply don't think in that manner, or don't think so often enough. I don't think it was meant in a quota sort of fashion. If we can run out, why play defense? If we can't get out, why play offense?

Right?

 

[Celophanewrap]

I love those guys that are totally offense. I had one guy, a captain, get mad at me because I played a safety on his S/L 3, I mean this guy really threw a fit, another guy had a hissy because he thought I could have made a shot and played a safe instead - no matter that I little chance of getting any kind of position on the next ball. Some people are actually offended by defensive play, I stopped caring about that long ago.

 

[mcsock]

Seems like lower level players have the "hard shot so shoot hard" outlook on the game, not looking for a safe. I am only a sl4 in apa. But have had 15 safes in 1 match. Yes, a long slow boring match, but I did win. It was against a sl 6.

 

[PINKLADY]

i have a question - and yes, yáll can tell me i'm stupid....

my Man just joined the new UPA in our area, as a substitute. he's now a regular - TUE/8ball & THU/9ball @ $10/night.

after his 1st two matches, where he "cleaned-house" - his next match was against the LO. (i think, to clock him & re-rate him, which did occur)

1) is it acceptable for the LO to participate in his own league?
2) the LO won the break & sank the 9....THREE breaks in a row! isn't this "rack mechanics"? is this allowed?

(my Man still beat him)

ok, that was 2 questions.

 

[DAVE_M]

i have a question - and yes, yáll can tell me i'm stupid....

my Man just joined the new UPA in our area, as a substitute. he's now a regular - TUE/8ball & THU/9ball @ $10/night.

after his 1st two matches, where he "cleaned-house" - his next match was against the LO. (i think, to clock him & re-rate him, which did occur)

1) is it acceptable for the LO to participate in his own league?
2) the LO won the break & sank the 9....THREE breaks in a row! isn't this "rack mechanics"? is this allowed?

(my Man still beat him)

ok, that was 2 questions.

Was it rack your own? If it's rack your own and he's making the 9 in the same pocket then yes it is rack mechanics. It's possible he found the sweet spot, but I doubt it.

 

[PINKLADY]

Was it rack your own? If it's rack your own and he's making the 9 in the same pocket then yes it is rack mechanics. It's possible he found the sweet spot, but I doubt it.

thanks, Dave (and n-i-c-e patches!)

yes, rack your own. no majic rack. and yes, same pocket.

while i applaud anyone who can sink the 8 or 9 on the break - i have NEVER known/seen anyone to do so, THREE fricken times in a row.

is this acceptable in League? and especially by the LO?

 

[KRJ]

I love those guys that are totally offense. I had one guy, a captain, get mad at me because I played a safety on his S/L 3, I mean this guy really threw a fit, another guy had a hissy because he thought I could have made a shot and played a safe instead - no matter that I little chance of getting any kind of position on the next ball. Some people are actually offended by defensive play, I stopped caring about that long ago.

Played a good player last night. He played a great safe. I"m literally behind the 8ball. His team is already celebrating as I can hear them pretty clearly saying he can't hit his ball. He has 3 balls left, and I have one, and I have to kick 2 rails to hit mine.

But I didn't kick it, I pushed the 8ball right up against two of his balls that were nearby and his third ball was on the oppposite short rail. I gave him bih. I could not win, and I was not going to make it easy on him. He was not mad, but his team mates whispered "can he do that" and "Why'd he do that" He tried a weird break out versus coming back with another safe, and that was all she wrote

Does anyone have a problem with an intentional foul by "pushing" balls around the table and giving bih if it helps you ?? I don't see many folks do this.. only occasionally...

 

[DAVE_M]

thanks, Dave (and n-i-c-e patches!)

yes, rack your own. no majic rack. and yes, same pocket.

while i applaud anyone who can sink the 8 or 9 on the break - i have NEVER known/seen anyone to do so, THREE fricken times in a row.

is this acceptable in League? and especially by the LO?

It can happen and does happen. The LO lost, so no harm done.

The LO, of a league I played in years ago, always had his team in 1st place for about 10 years. I always thought that was fishy, then I got tired of it and quit and joined the APA.

 

[krupa]

thanks, Dave (and n-i-c-e patches!)

yes, rack your own. no majic rack. and yes, same pocket.

while i applaud anyone who can sink the 8 or 9 on the break - i have NEVER known/seen anyone to do so, THREE fricken times in a row.

is this acceptable in League? and especially by the LO?

I've done it unintentionally (iow, I wasn't intentionally messing with the rack) when practicing before.

I don't think his status as LO means anything unless he's known to take advantage of that status.

 

[justadub]

i have a question - and yes, yáll can tell me i'm stupid....

my Man just joined the new UPA in our area, as a substitute. he's now a regular - TUE/8ball & THU/9ball @ $10/night.

after his 1st two matches, where he "cleaned-house" - his next match was against the LO. (i think, to clock him & re-rate him, which did occur)

1) is it acceptable for the LO to participate in his own league?
2) the LO won the break & sank the 9....THREE breaks in a row! isn't this "rack mechanics"? is this allowed?

(my Man still beat him)

ok, that was 2 questions.

I don't know why it should be unacceptable for the LO to play in his own league, so long as he doesn't show any favoritism. I believe our LO plays in our league (he lives about 150 miles away, so I'm not familiar with his division, I've just heard that he plays) and I think he keeps himself out of playoffs and Vegas qualifiers and such.

Assuming that the LO can be objective and not play favorites, its probly a good thing to have him play. It let's him see his players ability first hand, and let's his players get to know him.

I also can see scenarios where it could become an issue, if the LO isn't a square shooter.

As for the breaks, wow, that sure does seem to be "interesting"....

 

[kvinbrwr]

thanks, Dave (and n-i-c-e patches!)

yes, rack your own. no majic rack. and yes, same pocket.

while i applaud anyone who can sink the 8 or 9 on the break - i have NEVER known/seen anyone to do so, THREE fricken times in a row.

is this acceptable in League? and especially by the LO?

Making the 9 on the snap 3 times in a row, exempted you from having to leave with the LO after the match as his new old lady as you would have had to under normal conditions.

3 snaps alters the well known and well accepted "you will become the lady of the match winner" rule. KK9 toughed it out so you were never at risk anyway.

Hope that helps.

Kevin

 

[justadub]

Played a good player last night. He played a great safe. I"m literally behind the 8ball. His team is already celebrating as I can hear them pretty clearly saying he can't hit his ball. He has 3 balls left, and I have one, and I have to kick 2 rails to hit mine.

But I didn't kick it, I pushed the 8ball right up against two of his balls that were nearby and his third ball was on the oppposite short rail. I gave him bih. I could not win, and I was not going to make it easy on him. He was not mad, but his team mates whispered "can he do that" and "Why'd he do that" He tried a weird break out versus coming back with another safe, and that was all she wrote

Does anyone have a problem with an intentional foul by "pushing" balls around the table and giving bih if it helps you ?? I don't see many folks do this.. only occasionally...

I don't have a problem with it, and have done it before. And will do it again. If and when appropriate.

 

[krupa]

Played a good player last night. He played a great safe. I"m literally behind the 8ball. His team is already celebrating as I can hear them pretty clearly saying he can't hit his ball. He has 3 balls left, and I have one, and I have to kick 2 rails to hit mine.

But I didn't kick it, I pushed the 8ball right up against two of his balls that were nearby and his third ball was on the oppposite short rail. I gave him bih. I could not win, and I was not going to make it easy on him. He was not mad, but his team mates whispered "can he do that" and "Why'd he do that" He tried a weird break out versus coming back with another safe, and that was all she wrote

Does anyone have a problem with an intentional foul by "pushing" balls around the table and giving bih if it helps you ?? I don't see many folks do this.. only occasionally...

I don't have a problem doing it but it can backfire. I played in a local tourney last month and my opponent intentionally fouled in two games. Both times, I ran out with the BIH he gave me. (I ended up losing the match, though.)

Alternately, I was playing 10-ball a couple weeks ago. I was on the 4-ball but hooked behind the 8. The 10 is hanging in a corner near the 4-ball. If I missed the 4, I would given my opponent BIH with a dead simple combination. I drilled the 10-ball in which put that 8ball between the 4 and 10. I ended up losing that match also...

 

[Celophanewrap]

Played a good player last night. He played a great safe. I"m literally behind the 8ball. His team is already celebrating as I can hear them pretty clearly saying he can't hit his ball. He has 3 balls left, and I have one, and I have to kick 2 rails to hit mine.

But I didn't kick it, I pushed the 8ball right up against two of his balls that were nearby and his third ball was on the oppposite short rail. I gave him bih. I could not win, and I was not going to make it easy on him. He was not mad, but his team mates whispered "can he do that" and "Why'd he do that" He tried a weird break out versus coming back with another safe, and that was all she wrote

Does anyone have a problem with an intentional foul by "pushing" balls around the table and giving bih if it helps you ?? I don't see many folks do this.. only occasionally...

Nah, even if I'm playing a weak player I try to take nothing for granted. If he has an easy 2 or 3 ball out I'll try to push one of his balls to the furthest rail or try to put him in jail or tie him up somehow if I'm stuck. If I don't have a good percentage shot my first thought is How can I make this more difficult for the other guy. The toughest part for me is recognizing the time I need to go for the out.

 

[KRJ]

I don't have a problem doing it but it can backfire. I played in a local tourney last month and my opponent intentionally fouled in two games. Both times, I ran out with the BIH he gave me. (I ended up losing the match, though.)

Alternately, I was playing 10-ball a couple weeks ago. I was on the 4-ball but hooked behind the 8. The 10 is hanging in a corner near the 4-ball. If I missed the 4, I would given my opponent BIH with a dead simple combination. I drilled the 10-ball in which put that 8ball between the 4 and 10. I ended up losing that match also...

Oh, absolutley. but that is the chance you have to take though and knowing which side has the better odds.

 

[Spimp13]

i have a question - and yes, yáll can tell me i'm stupid....

my Man just joined the new UPA in our area, as a substitute. he's now a regular - TUE/8ball & THU/9ball @ $10/night.

after his 1st two matches, where he "cleaned-house" - his next match was against the LO. (i think, to clock him & re-rate him, which did occur)

1) is it acceptable for the LO to participate in his own league?
2) the LO won the break & sank the 9....THREE breaks in a row! isn't this "rack mechanics"? is this allowed?

(my Man still beat him)

ok, that was 2 questions.

Damn Matt #1...way to go!, beat the snot out of your LO...Represent brotha!...I think your victory means I now need to change my Avatar BRB...

 

[Rackemep]

thanks, Dave (and n-i-c-e patches!)

yes, rack your own. no majic rack. and yes, same pocket.

while i applaud anyone who can sink the 8 or 9 on the break - i have NEVER known/seen anyone to do so, THREE fricken times in a row.

is this acceptable in League? and especially by the LO?

Our BCA LO plays in the league with us...He's a stand up guy and he seems to put a lot back into the league. I could see it being a problem if the LO changes rules to his benefit or re-rates anyone that beats him...As long as he/she is a fair person then I see no problem with the LO playing in the league that they run. They probably became involved with running a league because they love pool...

As far as snapping the 9 in three racks in a row in the same pocket...well its either extremely lucky or its a doctored rack...If its the later of the two then its absolutely not acceptable from anyone but especially not from the LO! He should be setting the example...If it was a case of getting lucky and snapping the 9 three times in a row then cool and good for him...If he "gets lucky" a lot I'd start to wonder...

 

[PINKLADY]

thanks to everyone - except KEVIN.


this league is brand new - i mean BRAND new. and this LO came out of NOwhere. none of us know him. it's been good for our pool hall (i haven't seen this many people in the room since 1999!). and he's brought players from i don't know-where.

but i'm going to keep an eye on him, from now on.

so tell me again - is rack mechanics acceptable?

(maybe i should get ATLARGE involved in his sink/break stats)

 

[kvinbrwr]

thanks to everyone - except KEVIN.

Oh great, so deep in the backwoods of the hill country where you backward (not big-city like me me me) folks come from you don't automatically play "winner's choice of old ladies" like we do everywhere civilized?

FINE

Kevin

 

[JBB2388]

But I didn't kick it, I pushed the 8ball right up against two of his balls that were nearby and his third ball was on the oppposite short rail. I gave him bih. I could not win, and I was not going to make it easy on him. He was not mad, but his team mates whispered "can he do that" and "Why'd he do that" He tried a weird break out versus coming back with another safe, and that was all she wrote

Does anyone have a problem with an intentional foul by "pushing" balls around the table and giving bih if it helps you ?? I don't see many folks do this.. only occasionally...

Absolutely not!!! In fact I have coached our team's players on many occasions to make intentional fouls tying up the other player's object balls, sink the other player's balls to take away ducks or to simply pick up the cue ball and hand it to the opponent if this creates the highest percentage likelihood for you to win the game. There is nothing in the rules that states you cannot do this.