How beneficial is an aiming system?

[Kel_82]

Last I saw, Corey was using OB shafts. Why...if they're hype???

Maniac

They both admit to using them, more or less say they aren't magic wands.

A lot of shots they make little or no difference. Anyway, I can't explain anything they say, I don't know either of them. I'm just pointing you in the direction of a video of two people who can play a little pool.

 

[stan shuffett]

Could you direct us to the post that shows the science that backs up the system?

You can get some good info concerning table geometry on YouTube from my posted videos.
CTE pro one connects to a 2x1 table and NO other table. Even if you change the pockets just slightly on a 2x1 table the system will not work.
That is easily shown.
CTE PRO ONE is the Only system that connects to the right angles of a 2x1 table.
It is what it is.
In time much of the pool world will know it.

Stan Shuffett

 

[sfleinen]

A sweep to the CB is a natural evolution that occurs among most all professionals including snooker players.
It is no longer necessary to teach the straight-in movement to a mystery shot line.
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Stan:

You know I'm a big proponent of your teaching methods, and a student of "all things cue sports" (including alternative methods). But concerning the bolded part above, where do you get this stuff?

I've taken formal snooker instruction, I play snooker, I've ingrained snooker fundamentals, I keep up on all things snooker, and I can't for the life of me understand how you say snooker players "use a sweep to the cue ball" visual or movement? Sorry Stan, they don't. What you see when a snooker player sweeps his cue in from one side (and I'll venture to say it's always from the same side, no matter which side the object ball is being cut to, right?), is just an artifact of the cue being on one side of his body.

Snooker syllabus teaches coming straight down upon the shot line, because that is how the fundamentals lead you -- from a standing position, with your feet properly position upon the shot line, and you fold your body in half at the waist as you flop over (bend over) into your stance. The snooker stance -- and I mean a proper snooker stance, not "a pool player's understanding of what the snooker stance is" -- is a locked-in stance that minimizes sideways movement.

Care to elaborate on what you mean with the above bolded part?
-Sean

 

[stan shuffett]

Stan:

You know I'm a big proponent of your teaching methods, and a student of "all things cue sports" (including alternative methods). But concerning the bolded part above, where do you get this stuff?

I've taken formal snooker instruction, I play snooker, I've ingrained snooker fundamentals, I keep up on all things snooker, and I can't for the life of me understand how you say snooker players "use a sweep to the cue ball" visual or movement? Sorry Stan, they don't. What you see when a snooker player sweeps his cue in from one side (and I'll venture to say it's always from the same side, no matter which side the object ball is being cut to, right?), is just an artifact of the cue being on one side of his body.

Snooker syllabus teaches coming straight down upon the shot line, because that is how the fundamentals lead you -- from a standing position, with your feet properly position upon the shot line, and you fold your body in half at the waist as you flop over (bend over) into your stance. The snooker stance -- and I mean a proper snooker stance, not "a pool player's understanding of what the snooker stance is" -- is a locked-in stance that minimizes sideways movement.

Care to elaborate on what you mean with the above bolded part?
-Sean

Snooker players sweep into the CB.

Stan Shuffett

 

[sfleinen]

Snooker players sweep into the CB.

Stan Shuffett

Umm... yeah, ok. Because you say it so authoritatively, I'll throw out my years of snooker knowledge, and embrace this, "because you said so."

Sorry to be a bit terse, but you'll have to do better than that.

-Sean

 

[Kel_82]

He certainly did not lose because he needs to learn pro one ,,,The only thing Corey needs is to put in more time he has had world class ability long before the letters CTE were ever thought of ,, what he's done with that ability is almost tragic



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Man wants to play golf. I say let him play golf

 

[Slasher]

Snooker players sweep into the CB.

Stan Shuffett

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[stan shuffett]

Umm... yeah, ok. Because you say it so authoritatively, I'll throw out my years of snooker knowledge, and embrace this, "because you said so."

Sorry to be a bit terse, but you'll have to do better than that.

-Sean

Observation! It is simple.

Instruction have been missing this boat for decades upon decades.

Stan Shuffett

 

[poolhustler]

The Visual game can come very quickly and correctly with CTE. With a strong visual game in place, the physical game can follow in a much more efficient manner.

Many players spin their wheels visually and physically for a lifetime. It does not have to be that way any longer.

Stan Shuffett

Hi Stan,

I was referring to mechanics more than "visuals". Without the proper stroke mechanics, CTE, HAMB or any other system won't be effective, or as effective. In other words, develop a solid pre shot routine, stance, stroke, etc...

Best,

Russ..

 

[poolhustler]

Aiming systems are for making balls that already have position, not running balls. Position is for running balls. Johnnyt

If you're laying on a shot that has built in shapes, why do you need an aiming system? Just pocket the ball and Bammo, you're out!!

 

[sfleinen]

Observation! It is simple.

Instruction have been missing this boat for decades upon decades.

Stan Shuffett

So if you see a snooker player bring his cue into the shot from the side, your assumption is that of "this must be a visual sweep to the cue ball" thing?

-Sean

 

[stan shuffett]

Hi Stan,

I was referring to mechanics more than "visuals". Without the proper stroke mechanics, CTE, HAMB or any other system won't be effective, or as effective. In other words, develop a solid pre shot routine, stance, stroke, etc...

Best,

Russ..

I agree but putting the correct visual skills in place first can facilitate a faster learning curve on the physical side. For many the 2 end up fighting each other for a lifetime.

Stan Shuffett

 

[poolhustler]

I'm not interested in knowing shit about you...and forget about your little Canadian buddies, I wanna step up and play YOU 14.1 anytime you want for any amount you want. I don't need to know shit about you...I just know I can rob you blind.

Is this another John Barton user ID?? Sounds so familiar its like DejaVu

 

[driven]

A sweep to the CB is a natural evolution that occurs among most all professionals including snooker players.
It is no longer necessary to teach the straight-in movement to a mystery shot line.

The pivoting or sweeping that occurs with the top players is a result of years of play.
Now anyone can objectively learn the offsets and how to connect with the pockets.
Why some want to stop it is baffling to me.

Stan Shuffett

what is sweep please.
I understand a slight adjustment may be called for once a player gets down there. but once there, and locked in, why not just stroke it in with everything we got?

 

[stan shuffett]

So if you see a snooker player bring his cue into the shot from the side, your assumption is that of "this must be a visual sweep to the cue ball" thing?

-Sean

Snooker players are not putting their eyes on a shot line and moving straight in a bit more than pool players are.
It is plain and simple. Offsets are part of it.

Stan Shuffett

 

[poolhustler]

I agree but putting the correct visual skills in place first can facilitate a faster learning curve on the physical side. For many the 2 end up fighting each other for a lifetime.

Stan Shuffett

To me its seems that they need to go hand in hand. I confess to not knowing enough about CTE to conclude that it would facilitate a faster learning curve.

 

[stan shuffett]

what is sweep please.
I understand a slight adjustment may be called for once a player gets down there. but once there, and locked in, why not just stroke it in with everything we got?

A sweep is the precise visual movement that occurs from ball address to the actual shot line.
Pros do not start their moves to the CB from the actual shot line. They start from an offset.
Real CTE allows for objective descriptions of the offsets. The offsets connect to 2x1 tables.

Stan Shuffett

 

[stan shuffett]

To me its seems that they need to go hand in hand. I confess to not knowing enough about CTE to conclude that it would facilitate a faster learning curve.

Again, I agree. My point is that the visuals are objective and can soon allow for anyone to have a professional visual approach to playing. The rest of the game boils down to grip...and ultimately the difference is in the CB.

Stan Shuffett

 

[DeadStick]

Here are a few snippets of what Mark Wilson, renowned instructor, former pro, and 2014 Mosconi Cup captain, has to say about aiming systems in his new book Play Great Pool:

• Finding an adequate aiming system is far easier than "finding" excellent stroke fundamentals
  
  
• Aiming a pool shot is a function of judgment, as opposed to relying on some external gimmick
  
  
• Some of the advice you receive from aiming system advocates will be vague, or even defy logic and science
  
  
• All aiming systems are just approximations that get you close to the ideal line, and all require some judgment if you are going to achieve the highest level of proficiency
  
  
• Aiming systems that require a "pivoting"' movement after you have set up to stroke the ball, or pivoting motion of the right arm during the stroke, should be avoided
  
  
• It is common for most players to see improvement when they try any new aiming system
  
  
• The "Ghost Ball" system is easy to grasp for novice players, and has enough accuracy to be used by even by the majority of professional players and most of the very best.
  
  
• Because they have completely mastered whatever aiming system they started with, all elite professionals aim virtually all of their shots by instinct, intuition, and almost subconscious judgment.
  
  
• Your aiming system must be able to deliver the object ball to a specific portion of the pocket opening; just pocketing the ball is not sufficient for professional-level play. This is the major drawback of pivoting aiming systems and "magic" aiming systems. The "Ghost Ball" method will allow you to achieve this goal of increasing your pocketing options.
  
  
• In my association with elite professional players, none of them has ever professed a reliance on an unorthodox aiming method.
  
  
• Adopt the "Ghost Ball" system or a system recommended by a reputable instructor, then stick with it. Perfecting your stroke will be much more difficult to master than perfecting your aiming system.
  
  
• The vast majority of your misses will be due to faulty stroke, not due to faulty aim.

 

[Big C]

Contact point and ghost ball aiming have you aligning to and moving into an imaginary shot line is very difficult to do. That's what I like about CTE PRO 1. It gives you the ability to move into the shot line objectively from a unique visual perception unlike anything else I have seen. The visuals followed by a rotation to center cue ball, connects you to the pocket. This aiming system is powerful in that respect, but it also gets you into a pre-shot routine. That is a very professional approach to to playing this game.